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dugbug

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Ars and AnandTech don't get review units. Neither does Gruber AFAIK.

DF website has been stagnant for a few days. I suspect he is frantically working a review.

As for Ars and AnandTech, would be surprised if they did not get review units especially with the impressive silicon.

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EugW

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That’s true, typically Anandtech at least has to purchase Apple hardware. I suspect that they’ll get review units though simply because as you said for the M1, new SOCs in a new device that they’re trying pump up, they’re going to want it reviewed by them. But we won’t know for sure until the embargo lifts.
It seems that Linus Tech Tips probably didn't get a review unit, because in one of their latest videos they said they spent $20000 on various tiers of MacBook Pros for a comparative review.

But has Linus Tech Tips gotten review units in the past?
 

crazy dave

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It seems that Linus Tech Tips probably didn't get a review unit, because in one of their latest videos they said they spent $20000 on various tiers of MacBook Pros for a comparative review.

But has Linus Tech Tips gotten review units in the past?

Not sure. I know what you’re talking about, I remember that part of the video too. But they may have also wanted to test the various SKUs beyond the review unit they got … if they did get one.
 

bousozoku

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I wonder what they will call the chip that goes into the Mac Pro. They have used up Pro and Max. Maybe Extreme? Pro Max? I assume the larger iMac and higher end Mac mini will get the M1 Pro and M1 Max.
I still remember people throwing around "MaxiPad", but now, there could be an M1 Max iPad in the near future.
 

ElfinHilon

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I still remember people throwing around "MaxiPad", but now, there could be an M1 Max iPad in the near future.
Unless it's significantly cut down, there's no way the iPad Pro has the thermal head room for anything else. The iPad Pro already starts to slow down after extended use.
 

anticipate

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My guess is still the same. M1 Max will match 3080 Laptop in rendering tasks, not in compute. And it'll do it with battery.
If you look at Apple’s own specifications for the max and also some of the Graphic benchmarks scores you see that the biggest strength in the GPU is in texture and fill rate, not compute. 10 Tflop is not bad for compute. I mean impure computer it’s just about as fast as my Vegas 64 in the iMac Pro which is still a fast chip for video editing, and it’s a fast as a PlayStation 5.

But you have to look at more than just that when you look at the total system approach to how well the GPU functions in tasks especially relating to creative and video tasks which is what this chip is built for.

Real world you also have to count for some of the dedicated IP blocks such as the progress engine that will speed up video editing tremendously.

The Puget Premiere benchmark shows this. It’s really, really fast.

This is arguably the first laptop that you can run on or off battery and edit many streams of 8k footage with the facts and everything else. It’s astonishing. Of course I kno This is arguably the first laptop that you can run on or off battery and edit many strains of AK footage with the facts and everything else. It’s astonishing. Of course I know when I’ll actually get it.

this is a creative machine for making video and music with dedicated hardware for that purpose. This is not a gaming machine. Although it looks like it would do quite well and that benchmark, I have a PC for that.
 
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hefeglass

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It seems that Linus Tech Tips probably didn't get a review unit, because in one of their latest videos they said they spent $20000 on various tiers of MacBook Pros for a comparative review.

But has Linus Tech Tips gotten review units in the past?
wonder if Linus still thinks the m1 lineup is "ipads with keyboards"..that original reaction video to the m1 did not age well. Notice he wasnt even in the reaction video for these new chips.
 
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iBug2

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If you look at Apple’s own specifications for the max and also some of the Graphic benchmarks scores you see that the biggest strength in the GPU is in texture and fill rate, not compute. 10 Tflop is not bad for compute. I mean impure computer it’s just about as fast as my Vegas 64 in the iMac Pro which is still a fast chip for video editing, and it’s a fast as a PlayStation 5.

But you have to look at more than just that when you look at the total system approach to how well the GPU functions in tasks especially relating to creative and video tasks which is what this chip is built for.

Real world you also have to count for some of the dedicated IP blocks such as the progress engine that will speed up video editing tremendously.

The Puget Premiere benchmark shows this. It’s really, really fast.

This is arguably the first laptop that you can run on or off battery and edit many streams of 8k footage with the facts and everything else. It’s astonishing. Of course I kno This is arguably the first laptop that you can run on or off battery and edit many strains of AK footage with the facts and everything else. It’s astonishing. Of course I know when I’ll actually get it.

this is a creative machine for making video and music with dedicated hardware for that purpose. This is not a gaming machine. Although it looks like it would do quite well and that benchmark, I have a PC for that.
Indeed. I cannot wait for mine to arrive.
 

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wonder if Linus still thinks the m1 lineup is "ipads with keyboards"..that original reaction video to the m1 did not age well. Notice he wasnt even in the reaction video for these new chips.
Exactly, if it’s Apple they are talking trash. Shame Anandtech and Ars T don't get samples, they always have detailed reviews.
 

JMacHack

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Pretty much this. Benchmarks are weird. They are an ok approximation in absence of real data, and some of them are even good approximations. But I would still like to know why AMD GPUs are slower in Geekbench compute than Nvidia GPUs with the same nominal peak throughput...
Does that statistic include Vega? Iorc I remember a deep dive that showed that GCN was bottlenecked by its hardware scheduler. Which is why it performed great in compute but couldn’t keep the cores fed for graphics. Or something like that.
 

JMacHack

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Pretty much this. Benchmarks are weird. They are an ok approximation in absence of real data, and some of them are even good approximations. But I would still like to know why AMD GPUs are slower in Geekbench compute than Nvidia GPUs with the same nominal peak throughput...
Does that statistic include Vega? Iorc I remember a deep dive that showed that GCN was bottlenecked by its hardware scheduler. Which is why it performed great in compute but couldn’t keep the cores fed for graphics. Or something like that.
It seems that Linus Tech Tips probably didn't get a review unit, because in one of their latest videos they said they spent $20000 on various tiers of MacBook Pros for a comparative review.

But has Linus Tech Tips gotten review units in the past?
iirc they got review units until they trash talked the iMac Pro. They opened it up to screw around with it, broke either the mobo or psu, took it to an Apple store and said “we’ll pay to fix it, we know we ****ed up” and Apple said “this is completely ****ed, you’ll have to buy a new one.”
Then they made a video discussing the issue, but gave it a clickbait title “Apple REFUSED to fix our iMac pro!”

Since then I think Apple’s refused to do business with them, my memory might be wrong though.
 
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EugW

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iirc they got review units until they trash talked the iMac Pro. They opened it up to screw around with it, broke either the mobo or psu, took it to an Apple store and said “we’ll pay to fix it, we know we ****ed up” and Apple said “this is completely ****ed, you’ll have to buy a new one.”
Then they made a video discussing the issue, but gave it a clickbait title “Apple REFUSED to fix our iMac pro!”

Since then I think Apple’s refused to do business with them, my memory might be wrong though.
Hmm... That's pretty bad form on their part. Anyhow I never bother to watch that iMac Pro video because it just smelled of clickbait.
 

ElfinHilon

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Does that statistic include Vega? Iorc I remember a deep dive that showed that GCN was bottlenecked by its hardware scheduler. Which is why it performed great in compute but couldn’t keep the cores fed for graphics. Or something like that.

iirc they got review units until they trash talked the iMac Pro. They opened it up to screw around with it, broke either the mobo or psu, took it to an Apple store and said “we’ll pay to fix it, we know we ****ed up” and Apple said “this is completely ****ed, you’ll have to buy a new one.”
Then they made a video discussing the issue, but gave it a clickbait title “Apple REFUSED to fix our iMac pro!”

Since then I think Apple’s refused to do business with them, my memory might be wrong though.
I think the bigger thing in play here is the destruction of the panel. I don't remember all the details, but I remember loius rossman (or someone) coming in and fixing their panel. Seems weird that a 3rd party can fix it but not the manufacturer.
 

JMacHack

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Hmm... That's pretty bad form on their part. Anyhow I never bother to watch that iMac Pro video because it just smelled of clickbait.
I skimmed the video but they seemed to take a more nuanced stance in the video than the title suggested. But LTT knows their audience and that’s why they typically leave Apple stuff to Anthony and the PC stuff is handled by the usual suspects. I think they have a dedicated Mac channel now.

I think the bigger thing in play here is the destruction of the panel. I don't remember all the details, but I remember loius rossman (or someone) coming in and fixing their panel. Seems weird that a 3rd party can fix it but not the manufacturer.
I don’t think anyone thinks Apple’s repair policy is good. Rossman is way too hyperbolic for me but I broadly agree with right to repair. And Rossman is an amazing repairman.
 
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I think the bigger thing in play here is the destruction of the panel. I don't remember all the details, but I remember loius rossman (or someone) coming in and fixing their panel. Seems weird that a 3rd party can fix it but not the manufacturer.
Genius Bar people mostly follow a script for repairs. They either aren't trained enough AND/OR authorized to make repairs outside that script. Anything more complex than replacing parts they usually send out to the local repair hub and don't handle it within the store.

Difference was, the Apple Store refused to service it... not that they couldn't.
 

EugW

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Tom's hardware summarized some of those Puget Systems benches:


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Tom's hardware summarized some of those Puget Systems benches:


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This article is so incredibly weird. They basically show that M1 Max can hold its own against the fastest available mobile graphics (in much larger and heavier laptops). They did not discuss compute at all. Then they complained that Apples 2kg laptop is not as fast as a desktop RTX 3090. What is this? Arbitrary Friday?
 
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