These aren't workarounds. Go to the BBC iPlayer website and it will work on the iPhone and iPad. Click on a youtube link and it will play. Go to the TVcatchup website and it will work. These sites all detect when you're running an iPhone or iPad and will take you to the correct page.
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So would you really miss Flash ?
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You really can't use the argument that Apple sells the most iPods so they know what they're doing. Sure - they are the industry standard. But that argument in itself doesn't preclude the from making mistakes or mis-steps.
Enron was a popular company.
Bernie Madoff was popular and had lots of clients
Toyota and other car manufacturers USUALLY create cars that work
Chevy tried to market the NOVA in mexico
Coke tried to change its formula.
All bad analogies. Why? Because every company falters, makes mistakes. I am NOT saying the iPad is a mistake or a bad product. I am NOT. I am saying that you can't argue that what's worked in the past will work in the future. Or what the marketplace did with one product equals what it will do in another.
Enron was a popular company.
Bernie Madoff was popular and had lots of clients
Toyota and other car manufacturers USUALLY create cars that work
Chevy tried to market the NOVA in mexico
Coke tried to change its formula.
All bad analogies. Why? Because every company falters, makes mistakes. I am NOT saying the iPad is a mistake or a bad product. I am NOT. I am saying that you can't argue that what's worked in the past will work in the future. Or what the marketplace did with one product equals what it will do in another.
I for one won't miss flash. However, it would be great if the iPad did support it.
A lot of educational software that I know of is flash based.
The absence will hurt in that area.
Most on this sites members (me included) probably don't use flash other then when required, but there is a large number of people that depend on it.
It's not really a matter of if you as in anybody likes flash. Fact is the technology is still used. Widely in some areas and as long as there is a need for it, lack of support will limit some from purchasing.
A lot of educational software that I know of is flash based.
The absence will hurt in that area.
Most on this sites members (me included) probably don't use flash other then when required, but there is a large number of people that depend on it.
It's not really a matter of if you as in anybody likes flash. Fact is the technology is still used. Widely in some areas and as long as there is a need for it, lack of support will limit some from purchasing.
Here's an interesting thought - and I'm not an analyst - so this is all off the cuff
But consider this. What if Adobe took a stand and simply stopped all support for Apple. And/or threatened no further editions would be made available. No flash for Macs and no Adobe products for Macs. Period.
Yes - they would be shooting themselves in the foot because I'm sure a lot of developers user Adobe products and Macs. But it would definitely be an interesting scenario.
Apple has made "moves" like this before with the press, publishers, etc. Effectively it would appear. Yet would they not suffer from such a public "move" on Adobe's part.
I don't think nor would I suspect they would do it. They would lose money. But at the same time, how many people would also turn hostile on Apple for not working with them on the Flash issue "more" and playing a role in the scenario described.
Just food for thought. Apple doesn't hold all the cards.
But consider this. What if Adobe took a stand and simply stopped all support for Apple. And/or threatened no further editions would be made available. No flash for Macs and no Adobe products for Macs. Period.
Yes - they would be shooting themselves in the foot because I'm sure a lot of developers user Adobe products and Macs. But it would definitely be an interesting scenario.
Apple has made "moves" like this before with the press, publishers, etc. Effectively it would appear. Yet would they not suffer from such a public "move" on Adobe's part.
I don't think nor would I suspect they would do it. They would lose money. But at the same time, how many people would also turn hostile on Apple for not working with them on the Flash issue "more" and playing a role in the scenario described.
Just food for thought. Apple doesn't hold all the cards.
I'll miss it for YouTube and Triond. I use Triond a lot and my Triond dashboard is flash... So I don't think not having flash'll work for me 
I'll miss it for YouTube and Triond. I use Triond a lot and my Triond dashboard is flash... So I don't think not having flash'll work for me
You don't need flash for youtube, and I don't know what Triond is. Sounds like a male enhancement pill site?
Question: Will the full YouTube be available on iPad? Because currently, on the iPhone app, a lot of videos do not show up due to the uploader selecting the "Do not make this available for mobile devices" option. So even when people say, "Everything is on YouTube," or "You can play any video on YouTube," that's not true either. I constantly get "This video cannot be loaded" on my iPhone when I click on YT links from blogs and websites. These are also not searchable from the iPhone's YT app.
The bottom line for me is that I need Flash for some of my work-related websites. I could ask them to redesign their page to use HTML5, but let's be honest... that's going to get me nowhere fast. So unless they somehow jailbreak this thing to get Flash components working on it, I won't really have a use for it. My iPhone does everything it can do. It's the one key element that keeps me from purchasing the iPad. It's not a full browsing experience without the components required to browse all websites.
(I know, I know, some of you have disabled Flash and your browsing experience isn't affected. That's great, and I wish I could say the same. But some of us have different browsing habits, and some of us have jobs that require sites that use Flash, and for those people it's just not going to work.)
The bottom line for me is that I need Flash for some of my work-related websites. I could ask them to redesign their page to use HTML5, but let's be honest... that's going to get me nowhere fast. So unless they somehow jailbreak this thing to get Flash components working on it, I won't really have a use for it. My iPhone does everything it can do. It's the one key element that keeps me from purchasing the iPad. It's not a full browsing experience without the components required to browse all websites.
(I know, I know, some of you have disabled Flash and your browsing experience isn't affected. That's great, and I wish I could say the same. But some of us have different browsing habits, and some of us have jobs that require sites that use Flash, and for those people it's just not going to work.)
The market for Adobe products (Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, etc.) on the Mac is at least 50%. If Adobe ever did this, their stock market value would plummet overnight.
Besides, Adobe aren't in the 'Flash business' — they don't make any money from Flash — They're in the content creation business; they sell tools. People seem to forget Adobe are also large supporters of HTML 5, and they are likely to come out with a HTML 5 creation suite at some time in the near future.
I really don't understand why Adobe care so much about Flash. They must have known when they purchased it that it would be replaced by HTML 5 eventually…
Really?? I've never come across that message… I guess I've just got lucky so far.
But even so, you can now use the HTML 5 website version of YouTube on the iPad instead of the YT app.
Considering that it seems to be only a portion of users who have a need for Flash, it's making me feel the solution isn't to ask Apple to put Flash on, but ask those websites to make a HTML 5 version. At the end of the day, THEY are the ones with an outdated website, and THEY are the ones losing the market. I'm sure when they realize enough people are asking for it, they'll rush to make a HTML 5 version.
LOL - if I had a nickel for every flawed assumption on this thread or the others I could buy everyone an iPad
Just for kicks, I installed ClickToFlash last week on my main browsing machine to see what I would miss on an iPad.
Turns out not much at all.
Pages are loading much faster without all the ads, and the fans never spool up when browsing.
But most my web browsing is forums and information gathering, so I am probably not typical.
Flash, I hardly miss ye!
Turns out not much at all.
Pages are loading much faster without all the ads, and the fans never spool up when browsing.
But most my web browsing is forums and information gathering, so I am probably not typical.
Flash, I hardly miss ye!
There are far worse things than not having flash.
One would be having flash you couldn't turn off on a portable.
Anyone even trying to claim that HTML5 is even close to being on par with Flash right now is either trolling or deluded.
Lol no Triond ain't anything like that
Though if Triond could operate properly without flash I'd be fine without it. So how do you disable flash so I can try?
These assumptions are based upon the iPad having a mobile browser solution that shows up as being an iPhone then surely? How is that the full internet? What if the iPad browser shows up as just being Safari? You don't know these things until you have one in your hands.
You just try accessing the iphone version of tvcatchup and launching it on Safari on your Mac and it will open iTunes and start a playlist rather than playing a stream. The standard tvcatchup is Flash based and won't work at all.
SeeSaw is another website that has just started up with tv streaming that the iPad won't be able to access because it is all Flash based.
A lot of the world doesn't care about HTML5 yet because Flash is still so widely used and has people that know how to knock up websites quickly with it.
Microsofts New Windows 7 Phone Also Doesnt Have Flash
http://www.cultofmac.com/microsofts-new-windows-7-phone-also-doesnt-have-flash/30536
http://www.cultofmac.com/microsofts-new-windows-7-phone-also-doesnt-have-flash/30536
My toaster doesn't have flash. Now we're bringing in more devices to discuss the issue?
Flash, at current, is not at any risk for better or worse because of the sheer amount of desktop users and websites that have adopted flash.
Even if NO mobile devices could use flash, flash wouldn't disappear for a long time.
Well it looks like the Big British Castle has been listening to my worries about iPlayer and the like as they have anounced plans for a news and an iPlayer app later on in the year
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