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AFEPPL

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Yep, those who depende on scare tactics to sell their products will market this as much as they can.

Good assessment!

Problem with that comment is both sources i mentioned provide their data services for free. ;)
 

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Problem with that comment is both sources i mentioned provide their data services for free. ;)
I would rather know there are 1000 low severity, low probability of infection against iOS or android or Windows than one high severity, high probability vulnerability. See the point? Or is this Just another form of the android market share discussion.
 

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Problem with that comment is both sources i mentioned provide their data services for free. ;)

All ads are free.

Tell to that hospital in Cali that Windows is super secure, it has the least vulnerabilities!

One other metric is how much a zero day vulnerability costs in the market. Supply and demand. A real iOS vulnerability got 1 million dollars, how much does a Windows, Linux or Android vulnerability costs? Pennies.
 

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It's just Apple fans who keep tryin to downplay Android as insecure compared to iOS
.iOS is every bit as vulnerable as the latest Android OS on Nexus devices.I would argue Android is actually more superior as far as security updates go as via Google Play Services and monthly security updates it's more up to date than iOS.

As far as Windows vs OSX goes,OSX has too small a market share ḍor hackers to even care about it.If they wanted to they could also exploit OSX and it's a known fact that Apple is worse than Microsoft aT security updates
 

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It's just Apple fans who keep tryin to downplay Android as insecure compared to iOS
.iOS is every bit as vulnerable as the latest Android OS on Nexus devices.I would argue Android is actually more superior as far as security updates go as via Google Play Services and monthly security updates it's more up to date than iOS.

As far as Windows vs OSX goes,OSX has too small a market share ḍor hackers to even care about it.If they wanted to they could also exploit OSX and it's a known fact that Apple is worse than Microsoft aT security updates

Im an apple user and I'm begin to agree with you the comments are laughable... They really are.
It doesn't matter what is said, anything negative is just dismissed, spun or denied. No wonder the software is declining in quality.

It's not an ad, it's a security or should i say "vulnerabilities" information repository, at no point do they ever sell you anything..! Theres actually no way to buy anything either..that i can see.
 
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Apple has it's share of vulnerabilities but android is up there as well. Those who score strictly by the count of the boxes without regard to the severity and other factors are in denial.

Comparing ios vs android in 2015 and eyeballing the score and seeing the number of 10s in both operating systems should really cement what comments are "laughable".
 
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So at last you're starting to see the point, no one commented on what any of the "vulnerabilities" did or didn't do for any of the platforms.. The numbers reported are true and independent from spin.
 

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Apple has it's share of vulnerabilities but android is up there as well. Those who score strictly by the count of the boxes without regard to the severity and other factors are in denial.

Comparing ios vs android in 2015 and eyeballing the score and seeing the number of 10s in both operating systems should really cement what comments are "laughable".
Android on a Nexus is as secure as iOS on iPhone.
 

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Im an apple user and I'm begin to agree with you the comments are laughable... They really are.
It doesn't matter what is said, anything negative is just dismissed, spun or denied. No wonder the software is declining in quality.

It's not an ad, it's a security or should i say "vulnerabilities" information repository, at no point do they ever sell you anything..! Theres actually no way to buy anything either..that i can see.


VentureBeat is lying and you're perpetuating their lies.

The "iOS" section covers everything iOS. Kernel, browser, apps, os, everything.

The "Android" section only covers Android.

For a completed phone, you need to join Linux with Android with Chrome and then, the whole plethora of OEM and carrier Apps.

That's a complete Android phone.

Your arguments, based on Venture Beat's article are totally invalid, as VB's article is pure propaganda, as usual.
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Any operating system used to download Chinese apps and visit Pirate's Den Porn Exchange is going to be vulnerable.

Not if it's a fully patched iPhone.

That's the difference.
 
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AFEPPL

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No, you just don't want to be true as its not what apple marketing/fans are saying.
I'm not believing anything "Venturebeat" are saying, i know the data from CVE says the same thing as does that from NVD.

So multiple security repositories are coming to the same conclusion, one of which NVD by the way is the U.S. government repository for vulnerabilities and is not out for profit or to sell, promote anything.

http://www.cvedetails.com
 
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I'm pretty happy with my vulnerable OS to considering it doesn't ship with Internet Explorer and Edge with Flash baked in. I don't have to worry about installing Office for making documents, and I don't have to install adobe reader to read pdfs in Windows 7, or replace Internet Explorer using Chrome or Firefox which bring about more vulnerabilities.

If you tally up the number of vulnerabilities that are shipped with each OS and the applications that come pre-installed on them.

135 (Safari) + 100 (iTunes) + 384 (OS X) = 619
comes with built in pdf reader
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53 (Win 10, more with Win 7 which is majority) + 231 (Iexplore, still installed on Win 10) + 314 (flash) = 598
plus Adobe Reader 97 on Win 7, and Office 40.

Shipped - OS X has more.
Usable - Windows has more.
 

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No, you just don't want to be true as its not what apple marketing/fans are saying.
I'm not believing anything "Venturebeat" are saying, i know the data from CVE says the same thing as does that from NVD.

So multiple security repositories are coming to the same conclusion, one of which NVD by the way is the U.S. government repository for vulnerabilities and is not out for profit or to sell, promote anything.

http://www.cvedetails.com
As I said, no matter how much you beat the dead horse, They are comparing the full stack (iOS) with just one part (Android), as I said.

99% of mobile malware is on Android, and they are completely insecure, the vast majority of phones is vulnerable to the well known Stagefright that allows for full control of the device.

Roots appear in a question of days after release.

While iOS hasn't been jailbroken for 8 months (9.0.2).

There couldn't be much contrast, Android is even called the black sheep of security for google.

And your only "argument" is pointing to a table you can't read.
 
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As I said, no matter how much you beat the dead horse, They are comparing the full stack (iOS) with just one part (Android), as I said.

99% of mobile malware is on Android, and they are completely insecure, the vast majority of phones is vulnerable to the well known Stagefright that allows for full control of the device.

Roots appear in a question of days after release.

While iOS hasn't been jailbroken for 8 months (9.0.2).

There couldn't be much contrast, Android is even called the black sheep of security for google.

And your only "argument" is pointing to a table you can't read.
Along with counting the total number; the severity, like hood of infection and ease of infection has to be considered.
 

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I can read the table perfectly well.
Windows has less vulnerabilities vs OS X.. and similar with iOS and Android.

http://bgr.com/2015/11/11/app-store-malware-ios-vs-android/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2364...id-inherently-more-secure-than-the-other.html

I'm pretty happy with my vulnerable OS to considering it doesn't ship with Internet Explorer and Edge with Flash baked in. I don't have to worry about installing Office for making documents, and I don't have to install adobe reader to read pdfs in Windows 7, or replace Internet Explorer using Chrome or Firefox which bring about more vulnerabilities.

If you tally up the number of vulnerabilities that are shipped with each OS and the applications that come pre-installed on them.

135 (Safari) + 100 (iTunes) + 384 (OS X) = 619
comes with built in pdf reader
vs
53 (Win 10, more with Win 7 which is majority) + 231 (Iexplore, still installed on Win 10) + 314 (flash) = 598
plus Adobe Reader 97 on Win 7, and Office 40.

Shipped - OS X has more.
Usable - Windows has more.

Or if i install flash on OSX with adobe and office... so thats 619 + 314 + + + +, i lost count :confused:
And its not the same IE within W10, most of those issues simply wouldn't exist in the base code on that platform even though IE as a product has had 231 CVEs (i assume you got the numbers correct - i couldn't be bothered to go and look). plus safari has more issues than IE (believe it or not).

I know for sure without even looking iTunes has way more than 100 CVEs. try 400 its in the top 50 worse apps. How many of those are real would depend on the versions again. But its a true measure of issues found.
 
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I can read the table perfectly well.

No, you clearly don't.

iOS is a non-modular Operating System, Android is.

Or if i install flash on OSX with adobe and office... so thats 619 + 314 + + + +, i lost count :confused:

Those software packages don't come with OS X and aren't from Apple, so... your point?

Also, that site is ridiculous in it's reporting:

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So in 2014, only 11 vulnerabilities on Android? Fishy!

Very fishy...
 

AFEPPL

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My point is they also don't come with "windows" either - they are apps you choose to load over the OS!

The site is ridiculous because it doesn't agree with your opinion/bias?
It's the national database for security.. I'm sure its just made up by the office for cyber security and US CERT in a plot to discredit apple software as they've now got bored of picking on MS??

itunes comes with OS X - 352 known CVEs
Safari comes with OS X - 693 known CVEs
 

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My point is they also don't come with "windows" either - they are apps you choose to load over the OS!

The site is ridiculous because it doesn't agree with your opinion/bias?
It's the national database for security.. I'm sure its just made up by the office for cyber security and US CERT in a plot to discredit apple software as they've now got bored of picking on MS??

itunes comes with OS X - 352 known CVEs
Safari comes with OS X - 693 known CVEs

Then the National Database is ridiculous.

They depend on third parties reporting in. Like any database, they are always incomplete.

8 vulnerabilities found in 2012? 155 in the first half of 2016? Damn! Android is getting bad! AHAH!

And you counting all the known vulnerabilities ever to bolster the numbers? Ah!
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Along with counting the total number; the severity, like hood of infection and ease of infection has to be considered.

He doesn't care.
 
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