This goes beyond the usual compatibility issues you see between releases. As I posted above, Rosetta is being removed from Lion.PPC versions will not work–– Blizzard would have to make an intel version. Which they have no plans to.
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Some Blizzard games not supported in 10.7 Lion
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This goes beyond the usual compatibility issues you see between releases. As I posted above, Rosetta is being removed from Lion.PPC versions will not work–– Blizzard would have to make an intel version. Which they have no plans to.
Splitting hairs here, but it was actually Battle Chest that was in the top 10.
Not even close. Some old games still stand the test of time, but in no way can you cast that blanket of "Old is so much better than new".
You're right, misguided anger. It's actually Apple I'm peeved at, as there's no reason for them to remove Rosetta. It's like with each cycle, there's more and more reason for me to get a Macbook Air, but less and less reason for me to run OS X on it.
Wineskin is great and I run several of my games in wineskin (HOMM3, NWN2, The Witcher) just because I'm too lazy to reboot and i found it fun to experiment to make things working.
The thing is, it's not for the average user.
I used several hours making The Witcher run, with installing lots of custom files into the wrapper, adding several regedits. I often have the problem is if crashes I often have to log out my user in OSX too to get it working again.
I know I won't think 10.7 compatibility with older games won't be a problem, but I gladly use that hour it takes to get the game running in wineskin.
Keep up the good work doh, i love your work!
Back in the good old days i used to dual boot Windows 98 with Windows 2000. These days we can boot Mac OS 10.6, 10.7, Windows XP, Windows 7, and even Linux to play these games i don't see the problem.
It has always been the way of games that a new OS screws up old games and no one can be bothered to do much about it.
just so all of you who are speculating know i asked about this on official blizzard forums and a blizzard rep said they will not support SC/D2 on lion no matter what.
but yes this is a very sad day come this summer i will be parting with my oh so loved D2 characters that i've spent so much time on. to bad we have to get rid of the classics but oh well :/
+1 you understand the beauty of Wc3 like me ;]
but yes this is a very sad day come this summer i will be parting with my oh so loved D2 characters that i've spent so much time on. to bad we have to get rid of the classics but oh well :/
+1 you understand the beauty of Wc3 like me ;]
I haven't checked out my d2 and sc installations but let me propose something. What if you just copy the 2 folders from Applications to an external hard disk then after you install Lion you copy them back. Since they are the universal versions (I am not sure about that) they should probably run.
Well that sucks... I still have D2 installed. It looks like I'll have to uninstall and not play it anytime in the near future after Lion comes out
Damnit! I just bought the Diablo II BattleChest!!! I may have to hold off on Lion then if the new Diablo III is not supported natively.
Blizzard are only dropping support for games they made years ago. Any new title they release will run on newer OS's, this announcement only focused on the much older (PPC based) games in it's library not new releases.
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And for those of us who don't want to spend hours with Wineskin there is Crossover which runs Diablo 2 without any issues. And as the PC version is on the same disk you don't need to buy the game twice
And for those of us who don't want to spend hours with Wineskin there is Crossover which runs Diablo 2 without any issues. And as the PC version is on the same disk you don't need to buy the game twice
well as a disclaimer.. I made Wineskin so its easier for me... but I got D2 running in about 10 minutes
While Crossover isn't free, they do have some nice installation scripts for getting things installed easily... and buying Crossover is always a good thing for Wine since Codeweaver's are the main backers of Wine... so by all means, buy Crossover
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There is at least one reason for Apple to drop Rosetta:
To eliminate the cost of hiring programmers to integrate Rosetta into each new operating system.
You can decide for yourself if that's a good enough reason. But Apple has always been ruthless in throwing old technology overboard. This is true for both hardware (floppy disks, ADB) and software (OS 9, iMovie HD, and now Rosetta).
As an aside, Microsoft is the exact opposite - they value backwards compatibility much higher than either simplicity/elegance or the cost of maintaining that backwards compatibility.
There is at least one reason for Apple to drop Rosetta:
To eliminate the cost of hiring programmers to integrate Rosetta into each new operating system.
You can decide for yourself if that's a good enough reason. But Apple has always been ruthless in throwing old technology overboard. This is true for both hardware (floppy disks, ADB) and software (OS 9, iMovie HD, and now Rosetta).
As an aside, Microsoft is the exact opposite - they value backwards compatibility much higher than either simplicity/elegance or the cost of maintaining that backwards compatibility.
Yeah I can why they removing Rosetta. Who need to use Rosetta anyway? It slow for what it does with it translation process. Not good for performance if you looking for increase in performance.
Performance is not an issue when running old games, which is what Rosetta is useful for.
As much as it can suck, supporting old hardware/software for too long is a stupid idea. To keep advancing as much as possible, they need to drop older things that aren't used so much anymore so they can focus on newer things that most people use. Look how much Snow Leopard benefited from that, faster, 64 bit and much less HDD space used.
The ethical question here is... If i want to change out an older PPC OSX game to a Windows version so I can port it using Wineskin... is it ethical to just obtain a copy of the software since I already had the Mac version and I'm losing access to it... or having to re-buy Windows versions.
Yeah....
Although I'm not personally a huge Diablo fan (just not a fan of that whole genre, really), I respected it as one of the all-time classic "greats".
Blizzard would probably do well to update it with new graphics and surround sound, etc. etc. -- maybe add some new "bonus content" (like new levels) and re-release it. If it was priced right, I think it'd sell VERY well.
I don't know if old games are really always much better than the new ones? Sometimes I think I just have fond memories of them, and if I really go back and play them again, reality isn't as good as my memories were. But I totally agree that a lot of the best gaming IDEAS were in the older games. We've gotten so most things have already been done before, so new games tend to revisit the same concepts and just rework them with new characters, vehicles or backdrops.....
Although I'm not personally a huge Diablo fan (just not a fan of that whole genre, really), I respected it as one of the all-time classic "greats".
Blizzard would probably do well to update it with new graphics and surround sound, etc. etc. -- maybe add some new "bonus content" (like new levels) and re-release it. If it was priced right, I think it'd sell VERY well.
I don't know if old games are really always much better than the new ones? Sometimes I think I just have fond memories of them, and if I really go back and play them again, reality isn't as good as my memories were. But I totally agree that a lot of the best gaming IDEAS were in the older games. We've gotten so most things have already been done before, so new games tend to revisit the same concepts and just rework them with new characters, vehicles or backdrops.....
A) The "I'm losing access to it" argument doesn't really fly. No one is forcing you to upgrade to Lion.
B) You might want to check the CD the game came on. I purchased the Diablo battle chest a few years back and it came with both Windows and OSX versions (so no moral quandry!)
Ethically speaking?
Personally, I think it's ethically just fine. But it's a subjective question, because some people will take a hard-line stance that, "What you paid for before was code to run that title on the SPECIFIC platform it was coded for. If you want it on a different platform, you need different code so that means you need to pay for the title a second time."
I'm of the opinion, though, that it's somewhat like situations where you paid for a cassette tape of a music artist's album. Later on, the tape wears out or you get rid of your tape player and move to CD, so is it ok to just download a copy of the same thing and burn it to CD, since you already bought it before on tape? Bottom line? They insist that you're only paying for the rights to use the content provided, subject to their terms and conditions. You're never buying the content itself. Only the original artist, author or developer retains those rights. Therefore, yeah - you pay once and get those usage rights. The technical details of how you're going to make that content "play back" or "run" for you are rather irrelevant. You bought the rights to enjoy the content, at least for personal use -- so do whatever it takes to retain that ability.
Personally, I think it's ethically just fine. But it's a subjective question, because some people will take a hard-line stance that, "What you paid for before was code to run that title on the SPECIFIC platform it was coded for. If you want it on a different platform, you need different code so that means you need to pay for the title a second time."
I'm of the opinion, though, that it's somewhat like situations where you paid for a cassette tape of a music artist's album. Later on, the tape wears out or you get rid of your tape player and move to CD, so is it ok to just download a copy of the same thing and burn it to CD, since you already bought it before on tape? Bottom line? They insist that you're only paying for the rights to use the content provided, subject to their terms and conditions. You're never buying the content itself. Only the original artist, author or developer retains those rights. Therefore, yeah - you pay once and get those usage rights. The technical details of how you're going to make that content "play back" or "run" for you are rather irrelevant. You bought the rights to enjoy the content, at least for personal use -- so do whatever it takes to retain that ability.
That's one thing I love about Windows, chances are as long as it's the 32 bit version of whatever Windows OS, you'll be able to run things that even ran on Windows 95. Great for old software that you need.
Arg.
I installed Lion today on my and the wife's computers. Something inside me died when it said it can't run Starcraft 1 anymore. Sure there's Starcraft 2 which I love, but Starcraft 1 is my childhood incarnate, and it already runs like crap on my Windows 7 machine. It's stretched to widescreen (which is just terrible) and Micorosoft made it so the directdraw is all jacked up. Warcraft 3 doesn't work either even though it's supposed to. I've updated it about a year ago to the most recent patch and they implemented universal binary back in 2007 so I'm not sure it will work since it doesn't already.
Then my wife starts griping that they removed Front Row, basically the only thing she ever enjoyed about her computer besides Facebook. I'm not sure what the point of the remote is now.
And what "features" do you get for $130? I can now invert my 2 finger scroll (no thank you), and... I haven't found anything else besides moving a few menus around. Normally I like to have the latest and greatest, but I'm seriously wondering if I shouldn't go back to 10.6.8.
I installed Lion today on my and the wife's computers. Something inside me died when it said it can't run Starcraft 1 anymore. Sure there's Starcraft 2 which I love, but Starcraft 1 is my childhood incarnate, and it already runs like crap on my Windows 7 machine. It's stretched to widescreen (which is just terrible) and Micorosoft made it so the directdraw is all jacked up. Warcraft 3 doesn't work either even though it's supposed to. I've updated it about a year ago to the most recent patch and they implemented universal binary back in 2007 so I'm not sure it will work since it doesn't already.
Then my wife starts griping that they removed Front Row, basically the only thing she ever enjoyed about her computer besides Facebook. I'm not sure what the point of the remote is now.
And what "features" do you get for $130? I can now invert my 2 finger scroll (no thank you), and... I haven't found anything else besides moving a few menus around. Normally I like to have the latest and greatest, but I'm seriously wondering if I shouldn't go back to 10.6.8.