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Message Synchro3 about the Apple SSD. If it is out of your budget then the XP941 is good value and comes in three capacities.

The Bplus is a good M2 adapter card for a single blade on a single slot, but if you want two blade running independently on one slot then the Sonnet is a better choice. The dual blade Bplus card uses two slots via an extension cable.

Yeah I can’t quite believe I can buy that B2 adapter for about £50! Is this really right that I can buy that adapter and run an XP941 PCIe SSD blade as a media or cache drive on my cMP??!

The XP941 PCIe SSD blades fall into my budget and I believe are faster than a SATA SSD when un-striped.
 
Yeah I can’t quite believe I can buy that B2 adapter for about £50! Is this really right that I can buy that adapter and run an XP941 PCIe SSD blade as a media or cache drive on my cMP??!

The XP941 PCIe SSD blades fall into my budget and I believe are faster than a SATA SSD when un-striped.

Yes the Bplus are cheap, compatible and used in many tech reviews.
 
Yes the Bplus are cheap, compatible and used in many tech reviews.

And there’s no catch? I can’t seem to find anything detrimental being said about them but there’s always something I’ll miss. Why aren’t more people raving about using them with blades in their cMP’s over say the Tempo Pro with SATA SSD’s? I’m kind of suspicious.
 
And there’s no catch? I can’t seem to find anything detrimental being said about them but there’s always something I’ll miss. Why aren’t more people raving about using them with blades in their cMP’s over say the Tempo Pro with SATA SSD’s? I’m kind of suspicious.

Sonnet has been helping Mac users with upgrades for over a decade so it is natural you will hear a lot about them around here.
 
Sonnet has been helping Mac users with upgrades for over a decade so it is natural you will hear a lot about them around here.

Hullo. I’m gonna jump in here as you seem to know what you’re talking about. A couple of areas in which I hope you can help.

1. Tempo expansion cards.
The standard card is PCIe x2.
The pro card is PCIe x4.
The pro plus card is PCIe x4, with the addition of two eSATA ports.
Looking here, it seems to me that with the pro card at least, that the only reason a card has a higher read/write speed posted when fitted with two or more SSDs is because they will be configured in a RAID array?
If I’m never going RAID them I’ll gain nothing by buying the Pro card, even the original single x2 SSD card should be fine. Is the 500MB/a PCIe bus, Sonnet implementation or an SSD limitation? To add, if Sandforce for example release a new controller tomorrow, would it have been worth getting the Pro card all along?
I’m also wondering though if the SSD manufacturers aren’t suddenly going to produce an item that has higher performance that will take advantage of the x4 card with a single SSD?

2. Accelsior expansion card.
Would you know if the blades in the current generation of sealed Macs and the nMP the same ones that plug in to these cards?

Thx.
 
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as well as here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1754767/

Since it is not recommended that audio samples be delivered from a RAID, trim support (especially on a busy boot drive) became a big concern for me.

I haven’t read about this issue. I’ve been using a WD TB Velociraptor Duo for my sample sets with a 2011 27” 2.7GHz iMac with no issues. Do you have a link for information or discussions about this?

I’m making the jump to a flashed to 5.1, 3.46 12 core 2009 Mac Pro and am also trying to decide about which PCIe SSD configurations would be best for the OS/Applications drive and sample sets drive.
 
I’m making the jump to a flashed to 5.1, 3.46 12 core 2009 Mac Pro and am also trying to decide about which PCIe SSD configurations would be best for the OS/Applications drive and sample sets drive.

I believe that use the nMP SSD + a PCIe adaptor is the best performance and trouble free PCIe SSD solution at this moment.
 
I believe that use the nMP SSD + a PCIe adaptor is the best performance and trouble free PCIe SSD solution at this moment.

After more researching I'll probably buy 2 Sonnet Tempo PCIe cards with a 1TB Samsung 840 EVO for each card. One will be for my boot drive so this will allow me to also boot into Window using a Bootcamp partition.

For the sample drive, samples are lots small files so access time is important but the faster, more expensive SSD solutions seem to only show very significant gains when working with larger files.
 
After more researching I'll probably buy 2 Sonnet Tempo PCIe cards with a 1TB Samsung 840 EVO for each card. One will be for my boot drive so this will allow me to also boot into Window using a Bootcamp partition.

Just want to make sure you know that the Tempo card ONLY allow you to boot into OSX. If you want to boot Windows on a SSD, you have to plug that SSD into one of your Mac Pro's SATA 2 port (e.g. the one in optical bay).
 
Just want to make sure you know that the Tempo card ONLY allow you to boot into OSX. If you want to boot Windows on a SSD, you have to plug that SSD into one of your Mac Pro's SATA 2 port (e.g. the one in optical bay).

Thank you for that information. I could use one of my WD Velociraptor drives from the Thunderbolt Duo, that won't be compatible, in the free optical bay for now and maybe replace it with a smaller SSD later.
 
Cliff's Notes: The Syba SD-PEX40068 uses the Marvell 88SE9230 chip (Superior to the RocketRAID 640L, 642L, 644L's 9235 chip), runs at PCIe 2.0 x4 speeds, doesn't slow down boot time, and requires no driver. Sleep works with it!

First off, my system specs:
2009 Mac Pro -> Mid 2010 FW
Xeon W3690 @ 3.46GHz - Hex Core
24GB Corsair 1333MHz ECC Registered
GeForce 680 GTX with EFI FW - 2GB
Sandisk Extreme SSD 240GB and Intel 80GB 3G SSD on Syba SD-PEX40068
2 Western Digital Red 2.0TB 3.5" drives in internal slots
IOGear Bluetooth 4.0 USB dongle
Orico PFU3-2P Dual Port USB 3.0 adapter (working with Generic UHCI kext)

OSes:
Mountain Lion 10.8.4 (Sandisk)
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate (Intel)

I've tried an Apricorn X1, which worked, but was crashy with my system setup - Read speeds were limited right at 300MB/second, and it only supported one drive. And froze my system. A lot.

I tried a RocketRAID 642L - This required me to reflash the firmware to an EFI 64 one in Windows, meaning I had to boot Boot Camp/Win7 first. Also, OS X needed a driver installed prior to being able to boot to it, meaning you could not install the OS to it - It just doesn't see the controller prior to the driver being installed. With my Sandisk in the internal bay, I had roughly 2.5 load icon spins while booting. After the RocketRAID, I had over 12 spins before it loaded. Once it did load, speeds were good, but it wasn't a very good solution.

Enter the Syba SD-PEX40068 - A no-name brand that's sold on Amazon but produces some good cards. This card uses a Marvel 88SE9230 HARDWARE RAID chip, unlike the 9235 in the RocketRAID. Here are the benefits:
1) Mount 2 2.5" SSDs on-board - with 2 internal SATA 6G ports that you can run elsewhere or convert to eSATA - Your call.
2) Does not delay OS X boot - Only get 1/2 of a load icon spin now vs 2.5 internally, and system doesn't sit at a black screen forever. Maybe about 8 seconds.
3) If Boot Camp volume is connected to the controller, changing your boot volume in either OS works. Have not tried mixing it up.
4) No driver needed in OS X. OS X sees the drives immediately, even when booting from the OS USB Key/Disc
5) No driver needed for Windows, but one comes with it, with a RAID utility.
6) Oh yes. Sleep WORKS. Have tried it multiple times without any failures.
7)$43.60 at Amazon! - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BG0NMNA/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Bad:
1) Takes 2 PCIe slots. I put an eSATA 2-port connector beside it, so I'm making use of my "useless" slot.
2) Needs a floppy power connector. So I used the Monoprice cable here, and plugged it into a free internal drive bay's power - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005E2XQQY/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
3) It's not free?

Unknowns:
I have yet to try it in SW or HW RAID-0 configurations. Evidently, you need Windows installed to set up a HW RAID, and I may end up doing that later. If I do, expect benchmarks here.

Ordered a Samsung 840 Pro 256GB drive that I'm going to run on it when it arrives, and will update with benchmarks. Then may pick up another and run HW RAID-0 on it and see how it runs. My old Sandisk isn't the fastest drive in the world, but I was getting ~278MB reads internally, ~300MB reads with the Crapricorn X1, and ~440 with the RocketRAID 642L (At $100 without any provisions for mounting SSDs)

I've also only had it in my system for a few hours. We'll see how it works over the upcoming weeks/months.

Hope this helps some of you guys out there who want to spruce up your Mac Pro on the cheap.

Cheers,
Geoff

P.S. - Below is a bench with my Sandisk Extreme 240. Will update with the Samsung when it arrives.

Can I assume that you can’t option boot with this one either?
 
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I also had this problem with the OS X Boot Manager and the Tempo Pro when any bootable SSD was installed on the card (see my previous posts in this thread regarding this). Performing PRAM and SMC reset procedures had no effect. I am using a 2012 5,1 Mac Pro.

However, in the process of trying various configurations of drives, RAID-0 arrays, and PCIe cards ... suddenly the Boot Manager problem resolved itself and started working again. I have no idea what I did to cause this, and it is still working to this day. I have 2 bootable OS X drives in this Mac Pro, one is a RAID-0 SSD on the Tempo Pro card, and the other is a single SSD (now part of a DIY Fusion drive) located in one of the standard drive trays. I also have a bootable Windows SSD in the spare optical bay.


-howard

Howard. Did you also have the issue of the issue of the Windows drive appearing as an external on the desktop?
I’ve got two separate SSDs on my Velocity x2 Duo card, (one Windows and one Mac).

Tks.
 
Howard. Did you also have the issue of the issue of the Windows drive appearing as an external on the desktop?
I’ve got two separate SSDs on my Velocity x2 Duo card, (one Windows and one Mac).

Tks.

Any drive installed to the PCIe slots will be considered "external" drives. So, yes, my Windows SSD on the Velocity x2 DUO card does appear as an external drive icon which I have found no way to customize. The OS X external drive icons can be changed to something appropriate to your drive type or your desires.
 
^^^^Yes, any storage device mounted in a PCIe slot whether Apple labeled or not will be identified as an external device by the OS.

Lou
 
That was going to be my "quick answer" as well, Lou, until I actually looked to be sure and was surprised to see it marked as "internal"! :eek:

This is what my guess, because if all PCIe SSD will considered as external, it should be the same on the nMP.
 
I really shouldn't post before having at least 2 cups of coffee! :confused: :( :eek:

Yes, the Apple PCI SSD is shown as "Internal: No" in system info.
So, it is considered "external", as expected, on my cMacPro.

Sorry for the misinformation above.

I am currently testing a Retina iMac, located where I normally have a 27" monitor for my Mac Pro which is built into the desk. Both computers use my second monitor as such. I forgot that I wasn't on the Mac Pro when I looked up the SSD status and was, of course, actually reading the iMac SSD status, which is, of course, internal on the iMac.
 
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I really shouldn't post before having at least 2 cups of coffee! :confused: :( :eek:

Yes, the Apple PCI SSD is shown as "Internal: No" in system info.

Sorry for the misinformation above.

I am currently using a Retina iMac located where I normally have a 27" monitor for my Mac Pro which is built into the desk. Both computers use my second monitor as such. I forgot that I wasn't on the Mac Pro when I looked up the SSD status and was, of course, actually reading the iMac SSD status, which is, of course, internal.

Haha, it doesn't matter. So my guess is wrong, and even though a native Apple PCIe SSD will show as external in a cMP. Good to know that, thanks very much ;)
 
Haha, it doesn't matter. So my guess is wrong, and even though a native Apple PCIe SSD will show as external in a cMP. Good to know that, thanks very much ;)

I wonder if you can change that external to internal by modifying plists etc?
 
You can speed up the RAID when you put one of the Sonnet cards in slot 2 (3 and 4 share the same x4 uplink.

I'm curious to know how you all are distributing out at the PCIe Cards across the PCI slots. I read on here that someone even had a setup similar to one I am considering with a Sonnet Pro with 2 SSDs in one slot and having a GeForce GTX 680 Graphics Card in another.

Also, what slot layout would be recommend for a setup like this

2 Sonnet Tempo Pro Plus loaded with 4 SSDs
GeForce GTX 680 Graphics Card

I'm trying to get an idea if a setup like this will be worth exploring or if it is bottlenecked somehow.

Any recommendations would be welcomed

ALSO Thanks so much for all of the useful info on this thread. It has been very helpful!
 
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Just checking (Mac Pro 5,1) ... Any issues (if people have tried) with twin OWC Extreme 480s and Time Capsule (via Airport Extreme connection) ?

Thanks..
 
Just want to make sure you know that the Tempo card ONLY allow you to boot into OSX. If you want to boot Windows on a SSD, you have to plug that SSD into one of your Mac Pro's SATA 2 port (e.g. the one in optical bay).
I am booting Windows with the tempo pro plus. No issues here.
 
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