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Sonoma is crazy fast...

macpro2000

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I finally just said what the heck and installed this morning. I could tell from the get go that everything is crazy fast and optomized vs Ventura. I'm using a decked out Studio Pro so that helps but it's quite obvious the increase in response in many aspects.
 
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Earl Urley

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Can attest that at least Safari has been optimized..

Ventura 13.4, cold booted, Safari, running Speedometer 2.0 - avg. score after 10 runs= 142

Sonoma 14.0 beta 1, cold booted, Safari, running Speedometer 2.0 - avg. score after 10 runs = 190

this on a base 2018 rMBP with 8 GB RAM..
 
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I'm one of those evil traitors on 2019 Mac Pro with MPX W6800X 32GB. Dragging icons on desktop are a bit sluggish, but everything else is quick. So far it's okay. I've used some various work applications with no dramas.
 
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That's because Apple has rewrite the Foundation framework with swift, this helps to improves the performance a lot. Because when any calling to Foundation api, there is no need to go through from swift to obj-c, then back to swift. the wrapper was gone on sonoma, ios 17.
 
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If this is true (and remains true through to live), it marks a complete change of direction, where normally each MacOS upgrade is slower than the last, because of complexity. Years ago, I had reason to rebuild my old 2011 3.4GHz 27" iMac running High Sierra, having replaced its 1TB HDD with an SSD. Out of curiosity, I used its Restore option to install its original Snow Leopard OS just to see how it ran. How fast was it? F***ing rocket ship, that my current M1 Studio Max would have no hope of catching, because the Snow Leopard OS was so much simpler and less resource-intensive than High Sierra.
 
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younker said:
That's because Apple has rewrite the Foundation framework with swift, this helps to improves the performance a lot. Because when any calling to Foundation api, there is no need to go through from swift to obj-c, then back to swift. the wrapper was gone on sonoma, ios 17.
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it definitely feels considerably snappeier in general use on my base model M2 pro 14"
 
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Don't you dare tempt me to install a beta on my MacBook Pro......

I've been waiting to upgrade to Ventura for so long that I thought the time to upgrade (given all the abhorrent bugs) would be when Sonoma launches but I guess the real solution might just be to skip Ventura entirely and go straight to Sonoma.
 
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duke77

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Hi, Can anyone check whether the accountsd/contactsd bug has been fixed by going into internet accounts>>icloud account>>check cpu usage and processes in monitor?

Thanks
 
Emmanuel.th

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Stage manager really smooth. Compare to when use Photoshop in stage manager on Ventura is laggy but in Sonoma is really smooth.
Maybe animation on everything is optimising. for some bug I find is animation too. when full screen video on safari is laggy
 
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Earl Urley said:
Can attest that at least Safari has been optimized..

Ventura 13.4, cold booted, Safari, running Speedometer 2.0 - avg. score after 10 runs= 142

Sonoma 14.0 beta 1, cold booted, Safari, running Speedometer 2.0 - avg. score after 10 runs = 190

this on a base 2018 rMBP with 8 GB RAM..
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Safari is blazing fast. The best it has ever run for me, 2020 base MacBook Air.
 
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If this speed increase is going to still remain the same in the release candidate, I don't understand how Hair Force One didn't make a huge deal of it at the WWDC last week. I can picture the graphs already.
 
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Earl Urley

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younker said:
That's because Apple has rewrite the Foundation framework with swift, this helps to improves the performance a lot. Because when any calling to Foundation api, there is no need to go through from swift to obj-c, then back to swift. the wrapper was gone on sonoma, ios 17.
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InfoWorld said:
Legacy is what holds Objective-C back—the language cannot evolve without C evolving. C requires programmers to maintain two code files in order to improve the build time and efficiency of the executable app creation, a requirement that carries over to Objective-C.

Objective-C’s two-file system imposes additional work on programmers—and it’s work that distracts programmers from the bigger picture. In Objective-C you have to manually synchronize method names and comments between files, hopefully using a standard convention, but this isn’t guaranteed unless the team has rules and code reviews in place.

Xcode and the LLVM compiler can do work behind the scenes to reduce the workload on the programmer. With Swift, programmers do less bookkeeping and can spend more time creating app logic. Swift cuts out boilerplate work and improves the quality of code, comments, and features that are supported.
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Apple said:

Better performance​

equals better apps.​

Swift apps more than live up to the name. For instance, a common search algorithm completes much faster using Swift.

Up to 2.6X faster than Objective-C

Up to 8.4X faster than Python 2.7

10,000 integers found in a graph
using depth-first search algorithm*
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Something I wanted to add.. that InfoWorld excerpt is EIGHT damn years old.. Apple not following their own directive for eight years is something else.

For a change in programming methodology to speed up even Intel code is a shocker to me..
 
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fisherking

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while quirky (i know, developer beta 1!), it IS fast, light. & here, only one important app not working (a fix is in progress).

am happy (& impressed) 👍
 
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idreaus

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M1 Pro (8 Core, 14 GPU) 324 Speedometer (used to do 250 before) so this is quite a big jump and Geekbench 6 score has slightly improved, not sure if this is a typical thing to see.

Additionally, playing Crusader Kings III on max settings with Vulkan rendering option, I get a more consistent 41 FPS at all times, it used to drop radically to 30 FPS and jump back to 50FPS depending on the map zooming.
 

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