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if an app that measures core values reads them differently with different versions... how is that usable information? why should a point update give me different results? the tools should get better, but the results should be consistent.
In that case you would never be able to improve the app at all, or have it do evaluations of any new hardware features that might show up.
 
In that case you would never be able to improve the app at all, or have it do evaluations of any new hardware features that might show up.
i get it... sort-of. but it feels a bit like saying 'this new watch can make tasks happen faster, as the clock itself moves slower. try it and see how fast your mac starts up!'

but... got it. and i do want apps to improve, of course...
 
Like what? My issue with Stage Manager was the fact it only showed five tabbed apps at a time and if you had more apps than that opened then Stage Manager was an annoyance.

There's so much low hanging fruit for Stage Manager if they actually wanted to improve it. Being able to scroll through the strip so I'm not just limited to 5 stages, a resizable strip, right click to close a stage, option to show expose via stage rather than just everything, etc. These are simple improvements that would make it much more usable.

As a feature though it feels very tacked on rather than fully integrated into the OS. I feel Apple really need a fundamental rethink of all their window management solutions and Stage Manager if built out could form the fundamentals of it.
 
On an old 16 GB rMBP 2015, it feels like macOSes after Big Sur were getting slower and slower, especially on the 13-inch in which Apple in its infinite wisdom decided it deserved a dual core while its bigger brother got the quad.

I tried OCLP'ing the dual core to Ventura and was rewarded with an even slower system.

I'm testing Sonoma beta one on a 2018 rMBP that formerly had Catalina / BS / Monterey / Ventura and its faster than any of those, though for this I can only offer the difference in feel and response, aside from the Speedometer figures I gave earlier. I don't have multiple spare SSDs or Thunderbolt 2 enclosures so I can't try Sonoma on the 2015 though.
 
Is beta 2 just as fast as beta 1? In my experience as the builds go on the OS can get slower.
 
Can attest that at least Safari has been optimized..

Ventura 13.4, cold booted, Safari, running Speedometer 2.0 - avg. score after 10 runs= 142

Sonoma 14.0 beta 1, cold booted, Safari, running Speedometer 2.0 - avg. score after 10 runs = 190

this on a base 2018 rMBP with 8 GB RAM..

Yikes!

Sonoma 14.0 beta 2, cold booted, Safari 17.0, running Speedometer 2.0 - avg. score after 10 runs = 159

This was a delta update..
 

macOS 12.6.7 with a recent Technology Preview

Can someone try the 2.1 version and post results?
 

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Thanks. Wow, 457! This browser speed improvement may be one reason why Sonoma is feeling fast to some testers.
 
Yikes!

Sonoma 14.0 beta 2, cold booted, Safari 17.0, running Speedometer 2.0 - avg. score after 10 runs = 159

This was a delta update..

I saw my M1 Max MBP was re-indexing after installing b2, even hours after the install. Not sure the timing of your run, but it could have impact on those numbers.
 
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I checked Activity Monitor and didn't see anything overhauling the system. Just to be sure, I left the machine on overnight and then ran Speedometer again, still getting scores 152-160 where I was getting 178-191 with beta 1.

Oh well, guess I'll just chalk it up to being an Intel machine and Apple doing some behind the scenes adjustments.

Perhaps I may also try a wipe and reinstall. It still boots to the desktop and launches apps way faster than Monterey / Ventura did..
 
I'm still on Monterey with my intel iMac. Been waiting for Ventura 13.5 but maybe I should skip it altogether?
sure; sonoma will be out around september. the variable is... ventura is a released & updated OS, sonoma is early in it's pre-release cycle. consider updating only if you're ok with that.
 
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sure; sonoma will be out around september. the variable is... ventura is a released & updated OS, sonoma is early in it's pre-release cycle. consider updating only if you're ok with that.
You guys got me so excited, this is first ever mention of "performance increase" for any macOS released!
 
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