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mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
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I don't know why it wouldn't work. I did use ATF and that enabled drag and drop but doubletwist wouldn't see the phone. Sounds like Google Music is the way to go here.



It may be moving there but that doesn't help if the car doesn't have it and it still doesn't give the same functionality. My work car is a 2012 Charger and it doesn't have bluetooth. I will likely have it until 2017 at the earliest, that's a long time to live with subpar functionality. On my personal vehicle I have an aftermarket stereo and the bluetooth does work just fine. But it also has pandora which allows you to browse playlist and like/unlike from the stereo. This doesn't work with Android or over bluetooth, iOS only. For the time being iOS still rules the roost with car functionality and it's only going to be more so with Siri integration that's already rolling out.

My car has bluetooth and it still sucks b.c I have to use my phone to control the functions. I actually prefer satellite radio for this reason alone.

Widgets are eye candy. Do you really think seeing the temperature on the home screen increases the functionality of a device, even if you're outside and you can actually see and feel the weather? Come on.

It most certainty does. Feeling the temperature....we are trying to get an accurate forcast
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Its insane how we all argue over such silly details. What on earth did we do before we could read the weather, see stock prices, and have widgets on our lock screens!! lol.

Its such trivial stuff yet causes such tension all because someone doesn't own the same phone as ourselves. If somebody actually told me my phone was rubbish because I couldn't have widgets on it, my facial expression would make then look very silly indeed. :p

That's kind of silly to say, I'm from a time where no one had/used cell phones. They weren't essential at first but now I (unfortunately) must rely on it.

How long can something not change before people do call it rubbish? If I saw someone walking around with a bag phone although I wouldn't say it I'd be thinking its rubbish.

Obviously we are no where near that point yet with the iPhone and we won't be for quite a long time but I am mildly jealous of some the ease of use features of Android.
 

bohbot16

macrumors 6502a
Mar 22, 2009
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My car has bluetooth and it still sucks b.c I have to use my phone to control the functions. I actually prefer satellite radio for this reason alone.

Bluetooth can pass control info back to the device (called AVRCP) it's just that your car doesn't have it enabled. My Bluetooth headphones have this and I can do play, pause skip forward or back without taking my iPhone out of my pocket.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
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Bluetooth can pass control info back to the device (called AVRCP) it's just that your car doesn't have it enabled. My Bluetooth headphones have this and I can do play, pause skip forward or back without taking my iPhone out of my pocket.

hmm, maybe ill consult my manual. It is a 2013, so I would be shocked if it didn't have that option
 

Tinmania

macrumors 68040
Aug 8, 2011
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Michael,
Would you try iOS if Apple made a larger iphone? I am kind of waiting to see if maybe they will, and I am holding out hope that iOS 7 is something new. I like the iphone 5, but I would love for it to be wider.
If the iphone 5 had been larger I probably would still be using an iPhone. It was the modest increase in length, and not width, that finally caused me to leave the platform.

That said, due to me switching over to an Android phone I have found things that I like and that iOS does not allow. Ergo, at this point it would be hard to go back to an iPhone--even if it is larger--if it doesn't let me choose my own keyboard, browser, text app, etc. It would take a lot to get me back now, whereas a bigger iPhone 5 would have never let me leave in the first place.





Michael

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I own both an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 7. For the life of me I can't figure out why people think widgets are great. There's not one thing a widget can show that can't be shown on an iPhone. won't make up for some basic shortcomings.

Why do you care if some people like widgets? I don't care whatsoever that you don't like them.

The difference is, I have a choice. You sound like you are championing iOS's non-choice approach. That kind of thinking, I will never understand.



Michael
 

bmac4

Suspended
Feb 14, 2013
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If the iphone 5 had been larger I probably would still be using an iPhone. It was the modest increase in length, and not width, that finally caused me to leave the platform.

That said, due to me switching over to an Android phone I have found things that I like and that iOS does not allow. Ergo, at this point it would be hard to go back to an iPhone--even if it is larger--if it doesn't let me choose my own keyboard, browser, text app, etc. It would take a lot to get me back now, whereas a bigger iPhone 5 would have never let me leave in the first place.





Michael

Yea I switched from a Gnex over to the iphone 5 and it took a lot of getting use to. I miss a lot about android, but I do enjoy my iphone. I am holding out hope that iOS 7 will be a big change, and maybe just maybe we will see a wider iphone. If those things don't happen I am jumping ship again. The iphone 5 that I am using now works just fine, but it just seems behind android on so many things.
 

RandomKamikaze

macrumors 6502a
Jan 8, 2009
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UK
For those arguing over widgets, on the iPhone from the homescreen, turn wi-fi off/on, or turn on airplane mode off/on.

Widgets can actually do something as opposed to just show information. I don't have a weather widget as I have a window which is far more accurate than any widget. However, if I want to flick airplane mode on, just hit the widget, no flicking through menus.

It's only useful if you actually turn these things off or on on a regular basis though. You don't have to on either platform, yet people still do.
 

viskon

macrumors 6502
Oct 20, 2012
464
10
Widgets are the best!

I can look at my email right on my home screen, and if I need to respond, I click the email, and it takes me straight to that email.

My flow, then is

look at email tab - click on email - reply to email.

Notice that I don't have to open any apps separately. Very useful when there are a number of emails piled up and you need to separate out the important ones.
 

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sentinelsx

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Feb 28, 2011
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Widgets are the best!

I can look at my email right on my home screen, and if I need to respond, I click the email, and it takes me straight to that email.

My flow, then is

look at email tab - click on email - reply to email.

Notice that I don't have to open any apps separately. Very useful when there are a number of emails piled up and you need to separate out the important ones.

I like this consolidated widget. Which is it? Does it work with gmail app?
 

blairh

macrumors 603
Dec 11, 2007
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I don't know why it wouldn't work. I did use ATF and that enabled drag and drop but doubletwist wouldn't see the phone. Sounds like Google Music is the way to go here.

I find this odd. I thought most people had success with DoubleTwist. Being able to transfer my music collection to an Android device would be very important to me. Google Music requires a wi-fi or cellular connection which isn't ideal. (Planes, subways, etc.) Pinning your music for offline consumption isn't a great solution. Plus streaming music hits your data plan.

I once read that music located on an SD card is slower to begin playing versus something stored locally. I don't know if that's true.

Because it's being raised in this thread........I'd love to see Apple release a 5.5" iPhone but I don't think they ever will unless phablets explode in popularity in the upcoming 18 months.
 

viskon

macrumors 6502
Oct 20, 2012
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I like this consolidated widget. Which is it? Does it work with gmail app?
It is the Executive Assistant+ app from the Play Store. I use it in conjunction with the K-9 Mail app for a seamless experience.

It does work with the stock Gmail app, but because Google doesn't give devs access to the Gmail database , clicking an email in the widget will open the Gmail app instead of the email.
 

Tinmania

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Aug 8, 2011
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I find this odd. I thought most people had success with DoubleTwist. Being able to transfer my music collection to an Android device would be very important to me. Google Music requires a wi-fi or cellular connection which isn't ideal. (Planes, subways, etc.) Pinning your music for offline consumption isn't a great solution. Plus streaming music hits your data plan.
I think you would like Google Music. It gives you the best of both worlds. You can add music to your device, if you want, in any manner, or you can play--and download from--the cloud. Google Play music player will find it and be able to play it.

You don't even need to do that. It keeps your entire iTunes music library in the cloud (for free). Better yet it is very easy (easier than on an iPhone in my opinion) to choose which music you would like to keep on your device. You simply tap the Menu button, then "Choose on device music" and then you can select entire iTunes playlists, albums, and/or individual songs and they will be downloaded to the device (you can select whatever you want at once, then choose "done" to start the download). You can do this while on wifi so no data charges need apply.

On top of that you can choose to cache recently played music so that anything you played recently will always be available to play without a data connection. Unlike the music app on an iPhone you can choose to only see locally stored music from within the music player app--you don't have to go to the Settings app and change it (how bizarre is that on iOS??).

I find this method a lot better than iOS and iTunes Match. iTunes match will download a track to your iOS device if you simply play it--even accidentally. To download a playlist you have to do it by scrolling to the bottom of the playlist and then tap download.


I once read that music located on an SD card is slower to begin playing versus something stored locally. I don't know if that's true.
If it is true we are talking nano or milliseconds and it is not something to be concerned about.



Michael
 

blairh

macrumors 603
Dec 11, 2007
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I think you would like Google Music. It gives you the best of both worlds. You can add music to your device, if you want, in any manner, or you can play--and download from--the cloud. Google Play music player will find it and be able to play it.

You don't even need to do that. It keeps your entire iTunes music library in the cloud (for free). Better yet it is very easy (easier than on an iPhone in my opinion) to choose which music you would like to keep on your device. You simply tap the Menu button, then "Choose on device music" and then you can select entire iTunes playlists, albums, and/or individual songs and they will be downloaded to the device (you can select whatever you want at once, then choose "done" to start the download). You can do this while on wifi so no data charges need apply.

On top of that you can choose to cache recently played music so that anything you played recently will always be available to play without a data connection. Unlike the music app on an iPhone you can choose to only see locally stored music from within the music player app--you don't have to go to the Settings app and change it (how bizarre is that on iOS??).

I find this method a lot better than iOS and iTunes Match. iTunes match will download a track to your iOS device if you simply play it--even accidentally. To download a playlist you have to do it by scrolling to the bottom of the playlist and then tap download.



If it is true we are talking nano or milliseconds and it is not something to be concerned about.



Michael

Nothing beats having all your music locally stored on your device, if you can fit it. If I were to jump to Android I'd want to be confident that there was a fool proof way to transfer my music collection from iTunes to DoubleTwist or something else.
 

Tinmania

macrumors 68040
Aug 8, 2011
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Nothing beats having all your music locally stored on your device, if you can fit it. If I were to jump to Android I'd want to be confident that there was a fool proof way to transfer my music collection from iTunes to DoubleTwist or something else.

You don't need that. You can do it right from Google play music. Very easy to add all of your music. Obviously if you have 800 gb of music you can't do that on any device currently.

But if you want to sync with an actual pc/mac doubletwist will do it. No idea why the OP had issues with it. Most do not. Look at the play store ratings and reviews... no app could be that high that didn't work very well for just about everyone:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.doubleTwist.androidPlayer



Michael
 

blairh

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You don't need that. You can do it right from Google play music. Very easy to add all of your music. Obviously if you have 800 gb of music you can't do that on any device currently.

But if you want to sync with an actual pc/mac doubletwist will do it. No idea why the OP had issues with it. Most do not. Look at the play store ratings and reviews... no app could be that high that didn't work very well for just about everyone:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.doubleTwist.androidPlayer



Michael

You mean the new feature where Google Music scans your computer? I question granting that kind of access. I'm also OCD about music art, etc. I need control. Also that doesn't address the fact that nothing beats just queuing up your music when it's stored locally. No need to depend on a connection of any sort or to hit your data.

I'd be banking on DoubleTwist (or something like it?). I'm just waiting for an IPS phablet to hit the market.
 

Tinmania

macrumors 68040
Aug 8, 2011
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You mean the new feature where Google Music scans your computer? I question granting that kind of access. I'm also OCD about music art, etc. I need control. Also that doesn't address the fact that nothing beats just queuing up your music when it's stored locally. No need to depend on a connection of any sort or to hit your data.

I'd be banking on DoubleTwist (or something like it?). I'm just waiting for an IPS phablet to hit the market.
I don't quite understand this post. Google music on a mac/pc works with iTunes library. I already addressed ways to store music locally on an Android device, with Google Play or doubletwist. Why do you keep bringing up a data connection? (Granted it is ubiquitous in this day and age.)



Michael
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,877
10,987
I personally don't sync anymore since I have so much space. I just drop any music into my 64gb external space and any music player I use adds it in my library instantly. As long as I have my "recently added" and "playlists" I'm fine. Whenever I want to clean things up, I simply delete from phone or attach USB to my desktop. Same as iPhone but without iTunes. I also use multiple desktops which is great compared to being tied to just one.
 

blairh

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Dec 11, 2007
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I don't quite understand this post. Google music on a mac/pc works with iTunes library. I already addressed ways to store music locally on an Android device, with Google Play or doubletwist. Why do you keep bringing up a data connection? (Granted it is ubiquitous in this day and age.)



Michael

You are suggesting a new feature, which I'm addressing. That feature is when Google Music scans your computer instead of you uploading your music. That feature weirds me out in that it scans your entire computer, if I understand it correctly. I imagine I won't have much control with respect to how details are displayed within Google Music by using this method. I'm assuming one however does control music art and the like when you manually upload your collection to Google Music.

I keep bringing up the data connection issue because it's entirely relevant to this conversation. Pinning music for offline use is not the same as just having it all at your fingertips. Wi-fi and data are not ubiquitous. Subways and airplanes are just two examples that come to mind. Plus streaming music hits your data cap when you are not in a wi-fi range. Nothing beats locally stored music. For me. If you disagree, so be it.
 

marc11

macrumors 68000
Mar 30, 2011
1,618
4
NY USA
I find this odd. I thought most people had success with DoubleTwist. Being able to transfer my music collection to an Android device would be very important to me. Google Music requires a wi-fi or cellular connection which isn't ideal. (Planes, subways, etc.) Pinning your music for offline consumption isn't a great solution. Plus streaming music hits your data plan.

I once read that music located on an SD card is slower to begin playing versus something stored locally. I don't know if that's true.

Because it's being raised in this thread........I'd love to see Apple release a 5.5" iPhone but I don't think they ever will unless phablets explode in popularity in the upcoming 18 months.

Google music can stream or download and play locally just like iTunes match does its your choice.
 

reefoid

macrumors regular
Aug 5, 2011
136
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You are suggesting a new feature, which I'm addressing. That feature is when Google Music scans your computer instead of you uploading your music. That feature weirds me out in that it scans your entire computer, if I understand it correctly. I imagine I won't have much control with respect to how details are displayed within Google Music by using this method. I'm assuming one however does control music art and the like when you manually upload your collection to Google Music.

Google Music doesn't scan your whole computer, unless you tell it to. You specify a folder for it to watch, just drop your music into that directory and it will upload.

With regards to how Google Music displays music details, if your local library is tagged correctly, it will display exactly the same way in Google Music. I've uploaded and matched around 12,000 tracks and the details match my local storage exactly.
 

blairh

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Dec 11, 2007
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Google Music doesn't scan your whole computer, unless you tell it to. You specify a folder for it to watch, just drop your music into that directory and it will upload.

With regards to how Google Music displays music details, if your local library is tagged correctly, it will display exactly the same way in Google Music. I've uploaded and matched around 12,000 tracks and the details match my local storage exactly.

That's great. Still doesn't beat locally stored music for me. No connection needed. No data used in a non wi-fi area.
 

kevinof

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2008
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You still don't get it. Google music can be used with local storage only - no 3g/4g/wifi connection needed. That's the way I use it on my phone.

I can also access my music from my laptop or from someone elses laptop if I don't have mine with me.

That's great. Still doesn't beat locally stored music for me. No connection needed. No data used in a non wi-fi area.
 

blairh

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You still don't get it. Google music can be used with local storage only - no 3g/4g/wifi connection needed. That's the way I use it on my phone.

I can also access my music from my laptop or from someone elses laptop if I don't have mine with me.

I do get it. You need to select what music you want to listen to offline beforehand. You can't access your music with no connection otherwise.
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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I do get it. You need to select what music you want to listen to offline beforehand. You can't access your music with no connection otherwise.

No, you don't. You can use the Google Play Music app to play your locally stored music as well, don't have to use the online service element of it if you don't want to.
 

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blairh

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No, you don't. You can use the Google Play Music app to play your locally stored music as well, don't have to use the online service element of it if you don't want to.

You don't understand. I'm saying you can't listen to your Google Music collection offline unless you pin your music beforehand. And the reason why I brought this up a while ago in this thread is because we started to discuss the importance, at least for me, of locally stored music. I'm not saying anything about playing music stored locally via Google Music.
 
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