Sport may charge slower than SS/Edition

[Rogifan]

If true then that is what it appears to be. Also if true (and remember part of it is my conjecture added on to Gurman prediction) we still don't know the recharge times. It could be (from 0% to 100%) 2 hours for the metal and 4 hours for the plastic (or throw in your own mix/theory). So it may not be that big of a deal. Also you could just buy the metal puck if you need the faster charge times.

Here's the relevant paragraph from Gurman's report:

The company has developed both plastic and stainless steel versions of the circular charger, potentially one for the $349 aluminum and plastic Apple Watch Sport, and the other for the higher-end models. It’s unclear at this point whether the company will sell multiple versions of the charger, as Apple has only shown the metal variant, though the Apple Watch Edition is said to ship with a special box and charging dock that may incorporate the stainless steel MagSafe connector.

I don't see the connection to charging times. My though after reading that paragraph is the plastic charger is cheaper to make so it might ship with the sport watch. Or perhaps Apple determined it's not worth the effort to produce two different chargers that essentially do the same thing and decided to go with the SS charger because it looks nicer.

 

[ButteryScrollin]

No, Sport will charge faster, because it's "sport"

Mark from 9to5mac is biggest BS, and you all give him credit and page clicks.

Any more baseless, stupid rumor...

I am yet to see if the MBA is coming like they said...

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/22/12-inch-macbook-air-display-photo/

 

[Julien]

..I don't see the connection to charging times. My though after reading that paragraph is the plastic charger is cheaper to make so it might ship with the sport watch. Or perhaps Apple determined it's not worth the effort to produce two different chargers that essentially do the same thing and decided to go with the SS charger because it looks nicer.

Did you watch or listen to his interview? It can be found at http://twit.tv/show/tech-news-today/1181 Time Code: 5:20

His says: [paraphrase]Apple was having trouble getting the charge times they wanted. They developed multiple versions of the charger and have a metal and plastic. It is yet to be seen if there is performance differences between the 2.[/paraphrase]

 

[Rogifan]

Did you watch or listen to his interview? It can be found at http://twit.tv/show/tech-news-today/1181 Time Code: 5:20

His says: [paraphrase]Apple was having trouble getting the charge times they wanted. They developed multiple versions of the charger and have a metal and plastic. It is yet to be seen if there is performance differences between the 2.[/paraphrase]

It seems to me he has no idea if the two things are related or not. Especially since a plastic back vs metal one wouldn't have anything to do with how the device charges. In that video he throws in a ? around performance between the two but on 9to5Mac he makes it sound like it's just a cost thing, i.e. the plastic one is cheaper to produce and therefore might ship with the sport watch.

All I know is the only charger shown on Apple's website, during the keynote and in the product video is the metal one. I think they'd really piss a lot of people off if one (or all) collections shipped with a charger that took longer to charge and you had to upgrade to get one that charged faster. Battery life is a sore spot with this product as it is. And it's not like they're being super aggressive with pricing either.

EDIT: I just re-watched that video and Gurman says he doesn't think the two variations have a performance difference and again speculates that the plastic version could be for the sport watch.

 

[Julien]

...I think they'd really piss a lot of people off if one (or all) collections shipped with a charger that took longer to charge and you had to upgrade to get one that charged faster. Battery life is a sore spot with this product as it is. And it's not like they're being super aggressive with pricing either.....

It is all just speculation. However if true it wouldn't "piss a lot of people off" because of the marketing spin Apple would use. Apple is not about to imply the Sport has an inferior charger. It would go something like this.

The $350 Sport comes with Apple's industry leading standard inductive charger system.

The (expensive) SS/Edition comes with a 'newly developed' ultra-high performance inductive charging system finely crafted with a beautiful stainless steel back.

 

[Rogifan]

It is all just speculation. However if true it wouldn't "piss a lot of people off" because of the marketing spin Apple would use. Apple is not about to imply the Sport has an inferior charger. It would go something like this.

The $350 Sport comes with Apple's industry leading standard inductive charger system.

The (expensive) SS/Edition comes with a 'newly developed' ultra-high performance inductive charging system finely crafted with a beautiful stainless steel back.

Doesn't matter what marketing says if one charges the watch in an hour and the other in three even though they use the exact same battery. It would be seen as a penny pinching d*ckish move by Apple.

 

[Mr. Buzzcut]

It is all just speculation. However if true it wouldn't "piss a lot of people off" because of the marketing spin Apple would use. Apple is not about to imply the Sport has an inferior charger. It would go something like this.

The $350 Sport comes with Apple's industry leading standard inductive charger system.

The (expensive) SS/Edition comes with a 'newly developed' ultra-high performance inductive charging system finely crafted with a beautiful stainless steel back.

By stating one is superior have you not just implied the other is inferior?

Apple's marketing hyperbole pisses me off regardless, so there's that.

 

[Piggie]

It's still going to be very interesting to see what Apple does with the Edition model.

So many people are thinking there will be some special deal or special offer that only the Edition model will get.
In an attempt by Apple to get more people to buy it.

 

[Dave245]

It's still going to be very interesting to see what Apple does with the Edition model.

So many people are thinking there will be some special deal or special offer that only the Edition model will get.
In an attempt by Apple to get more people to buy it.

Which if the rumoured price of around $3,000 - $5,000 is to go buy it could be the case, there is already a rumour that the Edition will come with its own doc and charger.

 

[Piggie]

Which if the rumoured price of around $3,000 - $5,000 is to go buy it could be the case, there is already a rumour that the Edition will come with its own doc and charger.

tbh, I'd not place THAT much value on a dock and charger

Certainly nothing there to compensate for a few $1000

I think many seem to be under the impression that there will be some free upgrade to new models deal that will come, so that people feel confident in paying out the types of sums that some seem to think it will be.

We know, as this is version 1 of a tiny computer, it's going to be updated and improved upon in various ways, unlike a normal similar price mechanical watch.

So people seem to feel Apple need to put some guarantee in place for this model so it does not drop in value massively as new improved models appear.

Unless of course Apple shock those people and don't lay on a large fashion tax onto the edition models.

 

[Dave245]

tbh, I'd not place THAT much value on a dock and charger

Certainly nothing there to compensate for a few $1000

I think many seem to be under the impression that there will be some free upgrade to new models deal that will come, so that people feel confident in paying out the types of sums that some seem to think it will be.

We know, as this is version 1 of a tiny computer, it's going to be updated and improved upon in various ways, unlike a normal similar price mechanical watch.

So people seem to feel Apple need to put some guarantee in place for this model so it does not drop in value massively as new improved models appear.

Unless of course Apple shock those people and don't lay on a large fashion tax onto the edition models.

To be honest I would not want to pay that much for a watch personally, I really like the look of the stainless steel one i think it's going to depend how much Apple decide to price each version.

We all know it will start at $349 so I'm guessing that will be the sport version with a sport band of your choice.

But then how much difference will there be between that and the stainless steel version, we could be talking $100-$200 maybe.

And then maybe the high end Edition version in the $1000's that way there is a price point for everyone.

 

[Tanegashima]

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/22/12-inch-macbook-air-display-photo/

Exactly.

That has nothing to do with 9to5mac renders.

 

[ButteryScrollin]

Exactly.

That has nothing to do with 9to5mac renders.

huh? renders show the same thing.

 

[cmChimera]

All he posted about Apple Watch and MacBook Air.

So far he's been consistently right about the watch. The new MacBook air hasn't really been seen yet, so it's hard to know, but I would guess he'll be right.

 

[Tanegashima]

So far he's been consistently right about the watch. The new MacBook air hasn't really been seen yet, so it's hard to know, but I would guess he'll be right.

So far... because Apple didn't yet release the watch...

How can he be right?

He never ever leaked anything right in his life.

huh? renders show the same thing.

No, renders show a silver bezel:

Part leaks show a black bezel:

So far, he's never been right.

 

[valleian]

They make a cheeper charger for the iPhone than the iPad when they could just make one.

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Just to add, I don't think Gurman was implying that the plastic back made any difference. I'm sure he meant the wattage, electronics or coil might be higher quality in the metal back puck for faster charging.

I'm talking about the cable and connector, not the brick.

 

[cmChimera]

So far... because Apple didn't yet release the watch...

How can he be right?

Because he nailed the major features of the Watch about a year before the Watch was even announced.

He never ever leaked anything right in his life.

Oh Yeah?

No, renders show a silver bezel:

Image

Part leaks show a black bezel:

Image

So far, he's never been right.

Oh he's clearly wrong about everything then right? His renders, based on a prototype don't have black bezels. Rumor unsubstantiated. I'm not sure why you find Mark Gurman so offensive, but it's really hard to make the claim he's "never right" when he's pretty much always right.

 

[Julien]

I cannot see why Apple would go through all the trouble of producing two different chargers because one is cheaper....

I'm talking about the cable and connector, not the brick.

A cheeper Lightning cable?????

A cheeper, lower wattage, slower charging brick (the actual charger in "different chargers") is an appropriate analogy but comparing the Lightning cable to the puck?

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Because he nailed the major features of the Watch about a year before the Watch was even announced....

You are wasting your time. This person even believes Apple has invented some kind of magical tracking technology that is better than GPS and will be in the Watch. Even DARPA doesn't know about this, but he/she does.

Here is the thread. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1774819/

 

[Rogifan]

Oh he's clearly wrong about everything then right? His renders, based on a prototype don't have black bezels. Rumor unsubstantiated. I'm not sure why you find Mark Gurman so offensive, but it's really hard to make the claim he's "never right" when he's pretty much always right.

He might get accurate leaks passed to him but I still find him a bit of an arrogant punk. What really turned me off him is when he claimed Apple redesigned and renamed their health app because of something he leaked. As if Apple is so petty (and he's that important) that they'd redesign an app (they spent all of 3 minutes talking about at WWDC) just because of something he leaked. And another time when John Gruber and others shot down something he reported he went on Twitter saying anyone disputing what he wrote were getting their talking points from Apple. He just rubs me the wrong way. And aside from the leaks it doesn't seem like he really knows Apple. I'd be very surprised if he knows or is friends with many people that work there.

 

[Julien]

....but I still find him a bit of an arrogant punk....He just rubs me the wrong way.....

Subjective personal feelings and not what Tanegashima said. Tanegashima said "...He never ever leaked anything right in his life...." which is an incorrect statement.

 

[Tanegashima]

Because he nailed the major features of the Watch about a year before the Watch was even announced.

Oh Yeah?





Oh he's clearly wrong about everything then right? His renders, based on a prototype don't have black bezels. Rumor unsubstantiated. I'm not sure why you find Mark Gurman so offensive, but it's really hard to make the claim he's "never right" when he's pretty much always right.

The problem is not the kid.

The problem are the idiots that eat everything some random blog posts about apple, when the blog's objective is to generate page clicks, and even manipulate the markets.

Making a MBA with just a port is something just plain stupid, a regression only an idiot would believe.

Yet people go crazy about it, wtf. Those people don't deserve a MBA, or a computer of any kind, more intelligent people deserve those.

Now for this Apple watch battery rumor. Completely stupid. How can it last 4 hours of normal use plus 3 days idling, and then say it would only last 19 hours of normal use? That's stupid, if I use 50% of the battery of active use, and 50% of idling, any it doesn't take a genius that you get at least 2 hours + 1.5 days = 38 hours.

And that's filding with your watch 1 hour per day, which is stupid as you don't browse the web, or special clients like Facebook, or watch videos, or compose e-mail, or edit spreadsheets, or whatever with it.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Does it really matter as long as it fully charges over night? If battery life in the Sport edition was significantly less than the other editions THAT would be a problem for me because it makes the device functionally useless. It has to have a min 20 hr battery life based on how one would actually use it -- not just sitting on a wrist. Whether it charges in 3hrs vs 5 I really could not care less because I'm sleeping.

 

[Tycho24]

Cheep versus Cheap

Lol, I assumed a typo at first... but is this some kind of regional dialect thing??

To me:
Cheap = inexpensive or of shoddy quality
Cheep = the sound a baby bird makes

/off topic curiosity

 

[8CoreWhore]

There's no way in hell they'll be more than 1 charging system.

 

[Julien]

There's no way in hell they'll be more than 1 charging system.

The Edition is KNOWN to have a case based charger. So there will be at least 2. Also at the event Apple had plastic and SS back charger pucks. So if the plastic is used then there will be at least 3.