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I do like Nikon, but this camera is not for me, and I do question some of the moves they made with features, especially since this camera is new from the ground up
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I do like Nikon, but this camera is not for me, and I do question some of the moves they made with features, especially since this camera is new from the ground up
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"It'll be curious to see whether Canon is also conservative here or whether their body and UI design deviates more strongly from the pseudo-dslr form factor."
Images and specs (if you can read japanese) of the EOS R here:
https://www.nokishita-camera.com/2018/09/eos-r.html
"It'll be curious to see whether Canon is also conservative here or whether their body and UI design deviates more strongly from the pseudo-dslr form factor."
Images and specs (if you can read japanese) of the EOS R here:
https://www.nokishita-camera.com/2018/09/eos-r.html
Thanks. And as luck would have it, I can read some Japanese. Let's assume the information is accurate for the moment. Then Canon went for the exact same recipe as Nikon — not necessarily a bad thing, just quite conservative. However, I think their 28-70 mm f/2 (!) seems like it could be a deal maker lens! Nikon's wonderlens, its ultrabright 50 mm, is much more of a specialty item whereas the 28-70 mm will surely be the standard lens for many pros.
As luck would have it Google Chrome can read some Japanese as well!
I agree the 28-70m F/2 is a big deal. Also they are bringing over the classic 50m F1.2. Definitely Canon has the superior lens to start(assuming this is legit)
If this thing is somehow $1900 with these specs then holy moly.
EOS R
I agree the 28-70m F/2 is a big deal. Also they are bringing over the classic 50m F1.2. Definitely Canon has the superior lens to start(assuming this is legit)
If this thing is somehow $1900 with these specs then holy moly.
EOS R
- 30.3 Million Pixels Full Size CMOS
- Dual pixel CMOS AF
- The ranging range is 100 × width 88% of the live view video display range
- EV-6 low brightness autofocus
- 4K video
- Touch panel liquid crystal
- Multifunction bar installed (2nd picture image)
- Wi-Fi · Bluetooth installed
- Dustproof drip-proof · magnesium body
- Battery: LP-E6N
- Battery grip: BG-E 22
- Size: Width of about 136 mm × height of about 98 mm
- Weight: Approximately 580 g
- Mount: inner diameter 54 mm, flange back 20 mm, 12 pin
- Mount adapter: "Mount adapter EF - EOS R" "Control ring mount adapter EF - EOS R" "Drop - in filter mount adapter EF - EOS R"
- RF 35 mm F 1.8 Macro IS STM
- RF 50 mm F 1.2 L USM
- RF 28 - 70 mm F 2 L USM
- RF 24 - 105 mm F 4 L IS USM
The EOS R will also have dual-pixel focusing.
I believe this will allow the user to tap the LCD panel in live view, and the camera will focus and take the shot "by touch".
Something the Nikon z's -can't- do.
(tap to focus in movie mode, too).
I wouldn't be surprised to see Canon steal Nikon's thunder on this one...
I believe this will allow the user to tap the LCD panel in live view, and the camera will focus and take the shot "by touch".
Something the Nikon z's -can't- do.
(tap to focus in movie mode, too).
I wouldn't be surprised to see Canon steal Nikon's thunder on this one...
Nikon really had to hit a grand slam but I think Canon will throw them out at second. That and Panasonic and Sony are still batting.
It’s going to be an interesting month. I wonder if Nikon can withstand the mirrorless storm coming.
I'd have thought so. The D850 is still one of the most popular cameras of last year.
I doubt it based on all the hype surrounding the launch. I suspect the next gen will be more the finished article.
For mirrorless, Canon and Nikon are both behind Sony. Way behind. Nikon seems to have a solid release on their hands with the Z7 & Z6, but I suspect they’ll largely appeal to existing Nikon users, and they come with a rather high price tag.
Canon needs to check all the boxes with their FF mirrorless debut and stop holding back features like they have with a number of their releases over the past few years.
I agree that all the competition only benefits us consumers, and as a current Sony user (not a hater of Canon or Nikon, mind you) I believe this will only make their future offerings that much better.
Looking at the back of the Canon EOS R in reply 162 above, it looks like the rear LCD display is fully articulated, as is the one on the 80d, 77d, etc. Another plus for Canon.
And that "< >" button looks interesting.
Guess we'll have to find out what it does!
And that "< >" button looks interesting.
Guess we'll have to find out what it does!
I'm still leaning towards Sony but now I'm trying to decide between the A7RIII and the A7III.... AAAAGGGHH!!!!!
With the 50 mm, I think this is a bit more of a toss up. The 50 mm f/1.2 is certainly the Ferrari you want but probably can’t afford. Nikon’s $600 50 mm f/1.8 is a lens you can afford. The standard zooms of both are direct competitors on the other hand. Plus, Nikon will have very fast 50 mm lenses in its line-up in addition an affordable variant. But it can’t compete with an f/2 standard zoom. Even if the Nikon’s IQ is better, gaining a complete stop may be worth it.
PS It seems that the Canon does not feature in-body image stabilization — an odd omission.
That’s non-sense, launching a new camera system with a new lens mount is a long-term play. And if you are serious about photography, you don’t judge cameras by hype or a new camera system by the first cameras that are released. We should judge Canon’s and Nikon’s mirrorless interchangeable camera systems in a few years after they have they trinities on offer and a few new flashes.
Judging from the MTF charts, Nikon’s new lenses have been designed for sensors with resolutions >50 MP. That’s when IMHO things can change for a certain segment of the market. (I’m sure that Canon did the same with its new mirrorless cameras.)
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I feel your pain. While considering selling my A7RII, I have the same dilemma. Thankfully cost isn't that big an issue as selling the A7RII would be a major offset with almost breaking even on the A7III. However, taking up (and exceeding) the remainder of the cost would be the purchase of the 100-400 GM lens. While I don't really need the monster files in the A7RII which typically compete with medium format, I am able to do major crops of wildlife taken with the 70-200. The A7III does have the better focusing of the A9 with 693 phase detection points however the A7RIII retained the A7RII 399 phase detection points. The A7RIII has a higher density LCD (same as A9), while the A7III has the lower resolution also in the A7RII which I don't find objectionable.
With the tight supplies - and no rebate/reduction - on the A7III, may be best to get the 100-400 first and wait til next year to replace the body. Of course, the A7RIV might be out or rumored then further complicating. Unfortunately neither the A7III nor the lens have sale discounts at this time when Sony publishes their current month list, nor does B&H offer 4% store credit with either of them.
Went from D850 to A7iii. No regrets. Occasionally miss being able to heavy crop, but that is much better cured by a longer zoom than on the PC. Reach currently limited to 24-105mm f/4.
Focussing is VERY fast, EVF is fine (rather than great), eye focussing is superb. If you have decent battery life now, you'll need a spare battery or two, not because it's bad, it's just not as good as you'll be used to.
At the time (six months ago) I did wonder if Nikon's Z6/7 would make me regret leaping over to Sony....should I have waited? Can honestly say I'm glad I didn't wait. The Z6/7 look good, but I can't say either look better than the A7III, let alone the A7RIII.
We'll have to see what the comparison reviews say when they hit YouTube, but for the moment the spec sheet doesn't blow me away. For me at least, Canon was never on my short list so their Mirrorless release passes me by...although I do note the lack of IBS on the spec sheet.
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Just a thought.
Doesn't mean anything...
Years and years ago I remember seeing an article about SONY's "first digital camera" -- called the "Mavica" (sp?).
It was very primitive, b&w only, and had the resolution that was probably equivalent to a vacuum-tube tv screen of the time, if that good.
But... I was talking to a friend, and told him, to wit, "this may look primitive now, but it's going to be the end of film photography". Not immediately, but "in time".
And although there are still film cameras left, and still some folks who use them, digital -did- spell "the end" for the paradigm of film-based photography.
Today, looking at the rash of "mirrorless" introductions (Nikon, Canon, Panasonic not far behind), we can pretty much see "the end of mirror-based cameras".
They won't completely disappear -- not yet, and some people will continue to use them for many years.
But the "advent of good mirrorless" is going to brush aside mirrored cameras, both at the amateur/enthusiast level, and eventually at the pro level as well.
Perhaps quicker than we might expect...
Doesn't mean anything...
Years and years ago I remember seeing an article about SONY's "first digital camera" -- called the "Mavica" (sp?).
It was very primitive, b&w only, and had the resolution that was probably equivalent to a vacuum-tube tv screen of the time, if that good.
But... I was talking to a friend, and told him, to wit, "this may look primitive now, but it's going to be the end of film photography". Not immediately, but "in time".
And although there are still film cameras left, and still some folks who use them, digital -did- spell "the end" for the paradigm of film-based photography.
Today, looking at the rash of "mirrorless" introductions (Nikon, Canon, Panasonic not far behind), we can pretty much see "the end of mirror-based cameras".
They won't completely disappear -- not yet, and some people will continue to use them for many years.
But the "advent of good mirrorless" is going to brush aside mirrored cameras, both at the amateur/enthusiast level, and eventually at the pro level as well.
Perhaps quicker than we might expect...