he didn't get to be richest guy in the world by being stupid. and he defeated SJ long time ago.
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Steve Jobs is a Genius
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he didn't get to be richest guy in the world by being stupid. and he defeated SJ long time ago.
Aside from those seeking enlightenment, you'll find that's how success is usually measured.
dropping out of college and then becoming the richest man in the world - that's success in my book. he definitely made some good decisions by developing microsoft into a 300 billion dollar company.
Of course I agree that BG is successful, I mean that is undeniable, however success (at least to me) is not only about money. Think about how SJ has revolutionized our world at least 2 times with the Mac and the iPod and how he is considered one of the most visionary people of all time. That has to count for something...
Bill Gates did not necessarily defeat SJ, they are just two very successful people.
I cant believe that people are relegating his impact to business and sales. At a PRODUCT level, the guy is a visionary. There is absolutely no doubt about this. He has the nous to know where to head and when to head there, often long before anybody else in the industry even knows where its heading. He just so happens to have the salesman factor in order to sell the vision too. But most of the time, products like the Mac, the iMac, iPod and iPhone dont even need selling. Yet all were babies of Steve Jobs. He might not have written a line of code, or
Its like a president doesnt necessarily do any of the ground work - but its his vision of where the country has to go and what it needs to do to get there that is the most critical aspect. Jobs is a president, or a conductor. Writing him off as a salesman is doing him a massive injustice.
Its like a president doesnt necessarily do any of the ground work - but its his vision of where the country has to go and what it needs to do to get there that is the most critical aspect. Jobs is a president, or a conductor. Writing him off as a salesman is doing him a massive injustice.
Who brought the concept of a GUI driven, easy to use personal computer to mass market? Business decisions dictated Apples 5% market share (and lets not forget he wasn't even at Apple when they dropped to this).
That Gates realised that the software would be more important than the hardware was certainly inspired - but what else qualifies him as a genius? Great businessman, lousy programmer (see 'The Plot to get Bill Gates').
Interestingly, in his book 'The Way Ahead' there was no mention of the Internet (rather embarrassingly given what the book about), so the second edition paperback had hastily revised chapter titles to give the impression that Gates understood that the Net may just have implications to how technolgy is used in the future....
True - the responsibility for that lies with John Sculley... and who persuaded/wanted the man who gave us the 'Pepsi test' to become Apple CEO.... a certain Steve Jobs.
But who's life would you rather have?
Past a certain level of wealth having more money doesn't exactly benefit your life anymore.
On the genius subject, let's not forget a genius is a person with an IQ of over 140. Basically, you can't know, but you can tell if that's the case.
Steve Jobs... He had the connections and the smarts to tell at the age of 20 that Woz' project was going to be a hit, which probably is the case only with people who only have a lot of experience and have reached a certain age. And if you've seen the film 'Pirates of Silicon Valley', he's always been energetic, flowing with ideas, but irritable at times, which probably explains his not-so-good decision-making in the 80's. Point is, he saw the potential of the small affordable computer at the age of what? 20?
The company now is extremaly successful, the products are seen as among, if not the most innovative in the industry. My opinion is, success is not how much money you make, but your reputation. Apple strikes the biggest deals, surprises analysts, and is most popular among youth, at least when it comes to iPods, as opposed to Microsoft, who are seen as, uh... greedy b****es who'll do more than is necessary to create a monopoly. They may seem successful, but in reality... not so much. After all, macs aren't the cheapest option, but you get quality for what you buy and the best customer support. Even if Apple holds a 5% marketshare when it comes to computers, remeber not everyone is willing to cash out any sum of money. Plus, it takes time to turn around a company that was almost bankrupt and unpopular 10 years ago.
And that takes some great skills. Stevie had to pick some pretty basa$$ execs to have such a well-organized company. And the execs had to be good enough to hire the best. And hey, if he can see potential just by talking to someone, then... isn't he a good psychologist? Really.
All in all, I'd say he is pretty much a genius. Maybe not 140, but 135 I think would be reasonable, although I think it's higher.
Just my opinion here.
Steve Jobs... He had the connections and the smarts to tell at the age of 20 that Woz' project was going to be a hit, which probably is the case only with people who only have a lot of experience and have reached a certain age. And if you've seen the film 'Pirates of Silicon Valley', he's always been energetic, flowing with ideas, but irritable at times, which probably explains his not-so-good decision-making in the 80's. Point is, he saw the potential of the small affordable computer at the age of what? 20?
The company now is extremaly successful, the products are seen as among, if not the most innovative in the industry. My opinion is, success is not how much money you make, but your reputation. Apple strikes the biggest deals, surprises analysts, and is most popular among youth, at least when it comes to iPods, as opposed to Microsoft, who are seen as, uh... greedy b****es who'll do more than is necessary to create a monopoly. They may seem successful, but in reality... not so much. After all, macs aren't the cheapest option, but you get quality for what you buy and the best customer support. Even if Apple holds a 5% marketshare when it comes to computers, remeber not everyone is willing to cash out any sum of money. Plus, it takes time to turn around a company that was almost bankrupt and unpopular 10 years ago.
And that takes some great skills. Stevie had to pick some pretty basa$$ execs to have such a well-organized company. And the execs had to be good enough to hire the best. And hey, if he can see potential just by talking to someone, then... isn't he a good psychologist? Really.
All in all, I'd say he is pretty much a genius. Maybe not 140, but 135 I think would be reasonable, although I think it's higher.
Just my opinion here.
I'm absolutely hoping that was a joke.
If that was serious and to you saying SJ is smart (on an internet forum) and not in his face or some journalistic article counts as buttkissing, then... gimme a break
That's very true. I'd like money, but only enough to buy me a nice house, car, maybe a boat for retirement and a nice stunningly huge grand piano. Not so much money that the press hound you either. That would just be crap.
ahhh, they both wanted their products to dominate, BG did it, and get more money, SJ lost, isn't that clear? what do you call 90% vs 5%?
So someone like Cringely who makes a living writing about IT and has met/interviewed both Jobs and Gates both more than once, is totally incorrect in his analysis?
yes, a journalist? give me a break, im sure whenever there is one having opinion like his, there are 5 or more out there who think BG is more "successful". Journalist is what, absolute judge? better judging by yourself/myself than agreeing with some "IT writers".