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Steve Jobs is a Genius
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I just watched my DVD of "Pirates of Silicon Valley" and is it true that he was part of the "drug culture" and very eccentric toward his Macintosh team?
You miss the point of the article. What it was saying was that Gates and Jobs view success in different ways; although I didn't post the whole article, it was clear that RXC argues the way Jobs view success as a mature man (it was from 2002 btw).
As young man, Jobs would have seen things slightly differently e.g. I'm sure market share would have much more important to him.
Now, when I asked my question, it wasn't a case of 'but he's a journalist, he must be right, you must be wrong' - more of a case of here's a person who has stated a view, given some evidence to support his opinion (note, I say opinion not fact). The fact that he has meet them both (unlike the people posting here) and writes about IT (meaning he has some knowledge and experience of the field - not that this makes him automatically right), means he's likely to have a different kind of insight than most people posting here.
Basically, your argument is '95 is greater than 5, so Gates is a bigger success' - I'm not saying that you are completely talking out of your hat, but it's a simplistic appoach and others are surely entitled to another viewpoint... especially if they offer evidence (even if disputed).
At no point have I said that I agreed with RXC, but I did think people might find it interesting and might contribute to a greater debate than the winner is the one who has shifted the most copies of an OS. By the same logic, Windows is the better OS because more people use it.
I asked if you thought there was any merit in RXC's opinion - not whether he was right because he's a journalist, but I guess your response shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.
Stevie exhibited a lot of 'interesting' behaviour in first stint at Apple - eating nothing but fruit, not washing and going around barefoot. During one board meeting, he got into a furious argument with John Sculley over putting his filthy feet on the table (Jobs', not Sculley's) - Sculley told him to wash them, which Jobs did... in a toilet.
two points
1. to judge a situation like this, Im not sure anybody can see the whole picture, I don't think "evidence" listed by one guy can cover the whole truth.
2. is RXC's opinion right? or has any merits? short answer is NO,
I absolutely don't believe anything anybody said when it comes down to "guess what the subject is REALLY thinking", RXC guessed SJ "doesn't care about market share", he guessed SJ felt he already "won" in his own mind, blah, blah, sorry, personally, I find SJ to be a very dramatic person, and I found him to be vengeful, any guess of what he is really thinking is useless.
in 2002, remember at that time, mac is dying, OSX just released, he can't be sure about anything, at that stage, if he let ppl know he was really "care about market share", imagine the consequence if OSX fail. SJ is a person who taking care of his image like his life. and his PR is absolutely flawless, so far.
now OSX is proof to be strong and nice, he begins to pop up market share numbers everywhere, accusing other ppl copying apple, etc, etc, PR, PR, PR, he doesn't care about market share? NO
He felt he already "won", I don't think so.
I dont like what M$ is doing, I don't like one company market, but as a person, BG is more truthful than SJ, and to trust SJ about what he is saying? no way.
I can only judge a ppl based on what he does, and I don't guess what he is thinking. its not solid for me. what one person thinking can't be proved, what one person act can't be retracted.
He might like Levis because he and Levi have a lot in common taking great design ideas of others and marketing them to the people:
"In 1872, Levi received a letter from Jacob Davis, a Reno, Nev., tailor. Davis was one of Levi Strauss regular customers; he purchased bolts of cloth from the company to use for his own business. In his letter, he told the prosperous merchant about the interesting way he made pants for his customers: he placed metal rivets at the points of strain - pocket corners, and at the base of the button fly. He did this in order to make the pants stronger for the laboring men who were his customers. He didn't have the money to patent his process, so he suggested that Levi pay for the paperwork and that they take out the patent together. Levi was enthusiastic about the idea and the patent was granted to both men on May 20, 1873. The blue jean was born. "
http://www.levistrauss.com/Downloads/History_Levi_Strauss_Biography.pdf
Excuse me? Bill Gates TRUTHFUL?
What about the Mac ripoff? you know, when Bill Gates STOLE the Apple OS (to be released) from the builds that Steve Jobs TRUSTED on him as a Mac Software Developer!!?
Tell that to Java, or any other small/medium company that one day was CRUSHED by the greed of Microsoft as a company who can just "buy their way" through court, like they do with almost everything.
IMO Steve Jobs is more sucessful, and although I know that he (above everything) is a product salesman, he has much more merit in his "5%" than Bill has in it's 90%.
Why? Because he had to actually THINK of great products, he had to lift a company from the gutter and he did that with good taste and in a correct way. Bill Gates bought DOS from a small developer, he only invests in a certain product once he knows that someone else is also making it and making money out of it and he just loooooves to drive competing company's out of business.
It's incredible to think that, with all those BILLIONS Microsoft has, they still make some really bad products...
Steve Jobs (and his team, the man DOESN'T work alone) have come up with the iPod, iMac (G3,G4,G5), iPhone, Apple TV. Design icons that mark and are still marking an entire generation!
While Apple is featured in the "Designing the 21st Century" book and is voted 3 years in a row as the "most innovative company",... Microsoft is listed as the biggest money maker.
I would rather be remembered from something else other than dollars.
But that's ok, we're all entitled to our opinions.
I don't speak for Steve Jobs in any way.
What I'm saying is, I don't think that everything that Steve Jobs says is true, however, I don't think anyone is able to say that Bill Gates is more truthful like you stated.
I'm sure both of them have had their "untruthfulness" in their history.
However, based on the work that each one has accomplished, I think Apple is ahead of Microsoft not in numbers (profit, market share) but in quality of service and innovation, and these are the areas that really matter to the consumer.
This is what I'm trying to say.