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grahamperrin

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Attention to detail in icons

X-X: my post 6, I honestly didn't realise that this topic would continue with such attention to detail in icons. Gentle hint: attention to detail in subject lines can help to avoid misunderstandings ;-)

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With that hopefully out of the way …

… icon …

https://twitter.com/eli_schiff/status/530693442087559169 – that's exemplary of the attention that I appreciate. Whilst I would not have noticed anything 'wrong' about the first example, in isolation, I can immediately appreciate how much better things can be when presented with the third example.
 

X-X

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leman

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Just for us who lack education in design: what exactly is wrong with the Calendar icon?
 

grahamperrin

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At least: something very noticeably off-centre

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I have no education in design … to me the phrase 'NOV' is unmistakably off-centre. To such a degree, I would notice it without someone else drawing attention.

To a far lesser degree, the number '8' may be also appear off-centre, but I would not like to judge that until after Apple attends to the more obvious issue.

Glancing at the broader picture there are other minor criticisms – not enough logical consistency, and so on – but I'll not go into those in this post.

(A pleasure to find you here, leman.)
 

leman

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To be honest, it looks quite good on my dock (I do have a 9 there now though). Don't forget that these Calendar icons are automatically rendered by the app, there might be some font rendering bugs.
 

tkermit

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Maybe we should worry about this stuff once Apple has fixed the basics, e.g. the cog icon indicating that an AppleScript is running when initiated from the Script Menu is not even visible in Dark Mode.
 

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Small White Car

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Even In your example, the "L" in JUL does not "hold space" so, even if it is "computer centered" it is not centered to a human eye. Only a seasoned designer would know this, not a computer or, apparently you, SWC.

Yes, I know that, but I'm responding to the OP's concerns, not making a comment on what the icon should be. It seems that he's talking about 'computer centered' to me and, in fact, he confirms that's what he's talking about in the post above yours when he says that the PNG icon isn't the problem. (In other words, what I showed him was what he was looking for as he calls my example "centered properly.")

The problem here is that I was completely unaware that the icon on the dock is not the same as the one in the application folder. That was my mistake, but outside of that problem I was showing him what he was asking for which is all I was trying to do.
 

grahamperrin

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Accepting differences in perception – then teasing things out

… you're drunk.

Recent discussions in MacRumors – a mid-August discussion in particular – have helped me to learn what is, I believe, a very important lesson:

there's rarely anything wrong with a visual perception that differs from my own.

An appreciation of natural differences in perception – and of debatably unnatural differences (e.g. drunkenness) – may be critical in progressing towards a user interface that pleases the broadest range of users. This is not to suggest that we should ignore or encourage issues such as things being off-centre; it is … perhaps … to allow other users to express what or how they see without fear of ridicule.

I assume that "you're drunk" was a light-hearted comment, but (getting deep for a minute or so) if we're to discuss fine details in this topic – if we're to tease things out as far as possible towards the best – I should not rush to dismiss other people's perceptions – even if that person appears to show simply a lack of perception. Any number of things, not guessable within the constraints of this forum, could explain why a person (not necessarily matrix07) does not perceive the off-centre that I perceive. Maybe a medical explanation for it … for this Calendar app Dock icon example I can't imagine it being any form of colour blindness, but who knows … something else? … hopefully readers can get the idea. Denigration or dismissal, however light-hearted, isn't the way to tease out a broader understanding of diverse perceptions.

Hmm … I find it difficult to explain why I'm going off on one, on a deep one, there. Maybe it's because I can't link to the mid-August example without putting my neck on a chopping block (the example was, amongst other things, a breach of an agreement with Apple – other lessons were learnt …). Maybe I'm off on one because I just spent half an hour or so reading a few writings of people with a passion for UX, with particular attention to how a bad UX contributed to a person's death …

Postscript: my brain kicked into gear, I recalled the original reason for me responding to the comment about drunkenness. It's a small collection of links that I have been sitting on for weeks. I'll sit on it a little longer then post that collection to an appropriate topic.
 
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matrix07

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That's because you're drunk.

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Are we talking about "NOV"? This looks like "OCT" to me. I'll appreciated if you keep discussing only the photo in question next time.

But yep, looks at it enlarged it's sure off-center.
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BenTrovato

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9 is worse than 8 today. Little detail but it's the sum of the little details that have taken Apple to where it is today. NOV looks completely far to the right. Why are people arguing about this? It's off center, it looks dumb. Everyone get on the same page.
 

tkermit

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It's a time-honored tradition for Apple to release major versions of OS X far too early. What's new is how many visual inconsistencies/UI bugs are still allowed to remain in the GM version.
 

Fzang

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I clicked one of the YT links on the first page of this thread and... there's something about this font, I can't quite put my finger on.
 

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LeanneLand

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If you really wanna blow your mind, look at the calendar icon in the dock when there's a notification badge in the upper right corner!

Totally crowds the "v" in "Nov" - if the 'v' wasn't slanted, it would be overlapping.

I need to take a sick day...
 

cjmillsnun

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What could be more apologetic than "sorry but"? Not giving a stuff. Yeah. That's sounds more apologetic … but it could be better with some shouting.

If you don't like reading about it …

OK Maybe I was a tad harsh, I have no issue with the fact that there's a problem and that the text on the icon is off centre.

However, raising it as a Steve would've irks me. It should've been raised in a different way.
 

KALLT

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Sep 23, 2008
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I expect that this will be fixed. iOS 7 had lots of alignment problems as well, many of these were addressed in iOS 7.1.
 

n-evo

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I hate the fact the wait cursor hasn't been updated. How the hell could they forget about that one?
 

grahamperrin

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OK Maybe I was a tad harsh …

Me too, sorry about that.

I always appreciate a good title, something that will let me recognise a subject at a glance. But if the content is good, it's easy to overlook a title that may be vague/provocative/whatever.

In the past I might have avoided writings that attempted to put things in the context of a late Steve Jobs. In recent months I have a greater understanding of why a writer might choose an iconic person to … maybe, to iconise a thing that has been lost.

For me this topic is mostly about some loss of attention to detail
 
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