So I followed your instructions. I like this method better than all the instructions I've read before. However, because I used an External HD and not an SSD, it took very long. Furthermore, I see improvements, but under Big Sur, my 2018 MacBook Pro still had a kernel panic and restarted. This time I was able to find the cause according to the report generated. It was due to iCloud photos converting the photos. It proved daunting on the CPUs. But not sure why my 16 GB Ram Quad-Core i7 MacBook Pro, which I bought a little over a year ago, will have a problem with iCloud photos. I'm going to have it looked at the Genius Bar ( Do they still call it that? ) since I have several workarounds. FileVault is off, secure boot is disabled, and all the battery preferences are unchecked in system preferences. If anyone has a solution for the photos issue, please share, I'll greatly appreciate it.
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Still on Catalina, Should I Update to Big Sur 11.1?
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Glad all is well. Yeah, using an HDD as the external source would be slow.
I don't use iCloud, so cannot comment on that. Wonder fi the upcoming V11.2 fixes that issue?
I don't use iCloud, so cannot comment on that. Wonder fi the upcoming V11.2 fixes that issue?
There were three consecutive kernel panics. One was due to a "Process name corresponding to current thread: cloudd." The other one was due to "photoanalysisd," and the third one was "Process name corresponding to current thread: com.apple.WebKit.Networking."
Seems like these are all processes that are working in the background.
Last few versions of macOS have had many under the hood changes; 64-bit, APFS, SIP, SSV, TM just to name a few.
Some underestimate the impacts of all these changes; lots of things break and developers have had to update/rewrite their apps.
We have heard from many that upgrade in place and had issues, slows, etc.
For Big Sur, clean install is the way.
Thank you for that!
I always do a clean, fresh installation whenever I made the initial move from my current version of the Mac OS to a new one (although I wait before I make the final move).
LOL ... that's how my problems started. I ran it for a couple of weeks with only one noticeable issue (it kept "losing" my photos—as in they would disappear from my events). Then the other day it started throwing kernel panics (including 3 in 1 hour!). I did a clean install but some random process corrupted and threw my fan into overdrive and the browser wouldn't connect to any site. So I tried another install and the same thing happened — even when booted into safe mode. I finally moved back to Catalina.
I don't know if I'm going to give BS another try in the future, but with all the issues I see on here probably not. (This will be the first OS upgrade I've skipped since starting with Leopard.)
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Why would you install Big Sur? Around WWDC next year is more than soon enough.
I've already stated a few times that V11.1 is working fine for me. And I suspect the same will be true of V11.2.
Yes, I didn't have these experiences with previous ones either. The kernel panics followed me when I went back to Catalina. I hope Apple does the right thing and just swap it out for a newer model since the 2018 MacBook Pro have a known issue of restarting. When I purchased it, I thought Apple would have already fixed the problem, but it's 2020 and still no solution.
So, I finally was able to use my MBP on Safe Mode and I was on there for quite sometime surfing on Safari, reading as much as I can about kernel panics, and then like it crashed again. Another kernel panic but cause was "unknown" on the Apple report. Does this mean then that this is definitely a hardware issue?
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This is what happens when a computer and software company go off and build $550 headphones and an APPLE CAR.
Their CORE PRODUCTS suffer and turn into lemons.
Their CORE PRODUCTS suffer and turn into lemons.
Have you ever tried another browser? I am having no issues with Brave (both using Catalina and Big Sur).
Never heard of it. Will give it a try but given that my computer crashed on safe mode, doesn’t that mean it has to be a hardware issue? I’ve ran Apple’s diagnostics and it doesn’t report any issues. But then again I’ve read its not always reliable.
Link for Brave:
The browser that puts you first | Brave
The Brave browser is a fast, private and secure web browser for PC, Mac and mobile. Download now to enjoy a faster ad-free browsing experience that saves data and battery life by blocking tracking software.
brave.com
Then, of course, there is Firefox (assume you have heard of it?):
Download the fastest Firefox ever
Faster page loading, less memory usage and packed with features, the new Firefox is here.
www.mozilla.org
Try one of those (there are other browsers too).
Thank you for the link.Link for Brave:
The browser that puts you first | Brave
The Brave browser is a fast, private and secure web browser for PC, Mac and mobile. Download now to enjoy a faster ad-free browsing experience that saves data and battery life by blocking tracking software.
Then, of course, there is Firefox (assume you have heard of it?):
Download the fastest Firefox ever
Faster page loading, less memory usage and packed with features, the new Firefox is here.
Try one of those (there are other browsers too)
If you migrate your apps from backups, is it still considered a clean installation? The apps may have configurations from generations.
The only time I'd even consider a fresh installation if it was a machine I'd had for many years (say more than 8) and I'd accumulated a ton of apps I never used anymore.
Deleting all your files and apps, and starting over, can feel nice in that sort of situation. But doing it for every update is pointless and unnecessarily painful.
If you are migrating applications from backups of previous OS installations, then it is NOT a "clean" install (and so even more pointless).
Deleting all your files and apps, and starting over, can feel nice in that sort of situation. But doing it for every update is pointless and unnecessarily painful.
If you are migrating applications from backups of previous OS installations, then it is NOT a "clean" install (and so even more pointless).
Regarding applications and migration, one needs to make the effort to keep all one's apps up to date. That of course means one has not accumulated "junk". Most apps typically have upgrades even for the new Mac OS. For example, except for Onyx (and Tech Tool Pro and SuperDuper!, which don't have upgrades yet), all my other third party apps are already compatible with Big Sur (along with still being compatible with Catalina). Onyx has a separate, Big Sur - only version.
And of course the correct thing to do would be a migration from a backup of the prior version of the Mac OS. Both of my backups for both of my Macs are based on V10.15.7 of Catalina, and they also have upgrades for my third party apps.
It really makes no sense to do a migration from a "too old" version of a prior Mac OS. For Big Sur, that means anything earlier than Catalina. Doing it from a Catalina-based backup is a clear example of a clean, fresh install of Big Sur.
And of course the correct thing to do would be a migration from a backup of the prior version of the Mac OS. Both of my backups for both of my Macs are based on V10.15.7 of Catalina, and they also have upgrades for my third party apps.
It really makes no sense to do a migration from a "too old" version of a prior Mac OS. For Big Sur, that means anything earlier than Catalina. Doing it from a Catalina-based backup is a clear example of a clean, fresh install of Big Sur.
Sorry, that ain't it chief.
Strictly speaking, clean install means you install apps from scratch.
Copying/migrating apps across from backup means you are carrying across crufts from possibly generations of installs/upgrades.
Sorry, you are not in tune with the way things are, and have always been. As long as one keeps their applications up to date, there is not any "dirty laundry" (Of course, one needs to keep only the most current version). And by definition, the phrase clean installation, in terms of Macs, means a clean, fresh installation of the operating system. That definition has been around forever.
Myself, I have always done a clean, fresh installation of each new Mac OS. The migrations of apps again are for all my third party apps that are the latest versions. And in each and every instance, whenever I have done a clean, fresh installation, then a migration, all of my (up to date) third party applications work flawlessly.
I recently did a clean, fresh installation of Big Sur, V11.1, on a APFS-formatted partition on my Samsung 1 TB T7 external SSD, and then migrated files, folders, settings, apps, etc. from my Catalina-based, OS 10.15.7, late 2018 Mac Mini, with all my up-to-date third party applications. Well guess what? All of them work flawlessly (as expected). For Onyx, I needed to install the Big Sur version. That is the only app I needed to do that for.
What exactly do you mean by "migrated"? Do you mean copy & paste? I'm also running Catalina 10.15.7 on a 2020 MBP 13 and trying to decide whether to do an upgrade to Big Sur or a clean install. I've never had any serious problems with OS upgrades in the past but considering it for BS since it's such a big change.
If you do a clean, fresh installation of the Mac OS, at the end of the installation, you are offered the opportunity to migrate/copy files, folders. apps. settings, etc. from either a Time Machine Backup, another backup, or a Mac. Whichever one you choose, the Apple software takes care of the migration/copying for you. Nothing could be simpler.
Look at my post, #33, in this thread. I explain in detail the steps involved.
Ok, Got it- like when I got my new MBP, except both computers were on the same OS. Can I use a CCC backup? I’ve never used Time Machine, but I can certainly do that.