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And I get 70MB/s out of each port of my Qnap TS-509 Pro *today*. And I have tons of services running on it, like a mail server, web server, blog server, SlimCenter feeding all my Squezebox and Transporter clients, etc. Would never think about exchanging it against a Drobo! Never! It also already has iSCSI should I need it!

And if you need 8-bay: http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=109

Yes, that looks nice. But it's over $1700 so as I said, similar solutions will cost MORE.
 
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Drobo Pro launched yesterday. Holds up to 16TB!
http://www.drobo.com

Already ordered mine!
 
The Drobo Pro looks absurdly overpriced? For $1300 you can buy a pretty nice raid card.

I just use a FreeBSD box with ZFS for my storage.
 
thanks for all of the advice guys! I think for now my best bet is to still still with regular externals, there will have to be a serious upgrade to some RAID/UnRaid in the next year or so
 
cloning the drive, or creating a really big disk image of the partition...

haha your posting in my thread about firefox.
nice drums by the way, i play as well.
and X1600 OC'd, over clocked? do you have any info on doing that?
 
haha your posting in my thread about firefox.
nice drums by the way, i play as well.
and X1600 OC'd, over clocked? do you have any info on doing that?

haha i know, im everywhere at once :p

thanks, i LOVE drumming!! best way to relieve stress, you in a band at all??

yea overclocked, only in windows but - im not tech savvy enough to overclock it via the EFI.... :|
 
haha i know, im everywhere at once :p

thanks, i LOVE drumming!! best way to relieve stress, you in a band at all??

yea overclocked, only in windows but - im not tech savvy enough to overclock it via the EFI.... :|

i wish i was in a band, so lame not jamming.
i just recently had midterms and while stressed out to no other i could not play drums, it was i was like five years old, couldn't keep a temp at all either.
then after my last test i played and i came up with a new beat it like 5 min.

o hey guys i think im going to buy my first tb drive:D
 
i wish i was in a band, so lame not jamming.
i just recently had midterms and while stressed out to no other i could not play drums, it was i was like five years old, couldn't keep a temp at all either.
then after my last test i played and i came up with a new beat it like 5 min.

o hey guys i think im going to buy my first tb drive:D

yea my band hasnt ben jamming that much either, having one next thursday but so its going to be awsome!!!!!

your first tb?? nice!! i have 2x1tb + 2x500gb + a 250gb + a 500gb in my laptop.. thinking of upgrading everything to a TB (including laptop eheh)
 
On the easy of use front something that is prebuilt like the Qnap is going to be easier to use. On the homemade NAS front you are going to be hard pressed to find something like unRAID that will allow you to mix and match drive sizes and kinds (SATA1, SATA2, IDE).
Of course you can mix and match sizes, but you only put SATA carriers in there, or would you find big IDE drives? While mixing drives is possible it is actually not a wise step (except for migration) as you don't want to have your drives in the same RAID set behave differently. And they do, even if they are on different firmware level.
 
hey is there anyway to back up time machine?
like time machine a time machine drive?
No directly but you can set up a Qnap NAS to be a Time Machine drive and set that Volume to be replicated by the Qnap to another Qnap even on a remote location over IP. You can set this up with a general purpose server, like Mac OS X server and use tools like rsync to replicate that TM volume to another server somewhere, but all this is more complicated, but possible. TM uses (new) sparsebundle files to store the backup so nothing easier as to copy them to something else.

PS: and before someone says it is not possible to setup TM on a NAS, yes it is.
 
I would argue that a few hours or research and tweaking is worth the hundreds of dollars you save in pre-packaged hardware costs. And of course there is the fun of doing it yourself and learning something new.
Intelectually prepackaged is great and will choose it anytime to a homegrown solution. I also buy my Macbooks from Apple and don't build them myself. However there are a lot of people that do this and its ok.

You can run a *lot* of software like mail server, slimcenter, Joomla, WorldPress directly on the Qnap making it a single central server for everything. You can replicate it to another location. The software support in the community is great. I am not saying you can't do this with unRaid and a general purpose Linus install, it will just eat much more time researching and building the solution yourself.
Need a firmware upgrade on the Qnap? Just download the file and click on a button. If something goes wrong, it automatically reverts to the previous firmware. Do you have this level of confidence while upgrading unRaid?
 
Of course you can mix and match sizes, but you only put SATA carriers in there, or would you find big IDE drives? While mixing drives is possible it is actually not a wise step (except for migration) as you don't want to have your drives in the same RAID set behave differently. And they do, even if they are on different firmware level.

You don't understand how unRAID works. unRAID is NOT RAID. Each disk is its own file system and then there is a parity disk that protects all of the data. If two disks fail you will lose your data on those two disk but NOT on the rest; lose two disks in a RAID5 and your screwed. Also, should you need to pull a drive because the board in the server dies you can get to the data on the disk via any system that can read the Rieser File System. Try doing that with a drive in a RAID5. unRAID does no give a rats ass about size of drive, firmware on drive, etc. The reason for the mixing of drives is two fold; 1 is for migration to larger drives, and 2 is for the reuse of drives. I believe that Seagate actaully released 1TB IDE drives for a while, should people that bought those stop using them because they are IDE?

Intelectually prepackaged is great and will choose it anytime to a homegrown solution. I also buy my Macbooks from Apple and don't build them myself. However there are a lot of people that do this and its ok.

You can run a *lot* of software like mail server, slimcenter, Joomla, WorldPress directly on the Qnap making it a single central server for everything. You can replicate it to another location. The software support in the community is great. I am not saying you can't do this with unRaid and a general purpose Linus install, it will just eat much more time researching and building the solution yourself.
Need a firmware upgrade on the Qnap? Just download the file and click on a button. If something goes wrong, it automatically reverts to the previous firmware. Do you have this level of confidence while upgrading unRaid?

You are right on some of the things here. And some of this is presonal preference. The Qnap looks like a good system I am not arguing that. The personal preference comes in with choosing something that runs a proprietary system. Some of the parts of the unRAID OS are closed source but in the whole it is a Slackware linux and uses the RFS. The fact that I can get to my drives whenever I like and they do not hae to be in the server is one of the main reasons I went with it.
If you need to back up remotely then all you need to use is rsync which is in the unRAID OS. You can get a webserver, like lighttpd or apache, running on unRAID also. I currently run an addon to unRAID that allows me to have lighttpd, rtorrent (with web front end wtorrent), slimserver, NzbGet, apcups deamon (for my UPS), and u-notify (an email addon for notifying me of server status). These can all be added with an extracting of a zip file and the running of a .bat script.
The OS on the unRAID server is only the matter of replacing two files to upgrade to the new version. If for some reason it does not work correctly you can replace those two files again to revert back.
 
You don't understand how unRAID works. unRAID is NOT RAID. Each disk is its own file system and then there is a parity disk that protects all of the data. If two disks fail you will lose your data on those two disk but NOT on the rest; lose to disk in a RAID5 and your screwed. Also, should you need to pull a drive because the board in the server dies you can get to the data on the disk via any system that can read the Rieser File System. Try doing that with a drive in a RAID5. unRAID does no give a rats ass about size of drive, firmware on drive, etc. The reason for the mixing of drives is two fold; 1 is for migration to larger drives, and 2 is for the reuse of drives. I believe that Seagate actaully released 1TB IDE drives for a while, should people that bought those stop using them because they are IDE?


Apparently you don’t understand Raid 5, first of all it depend on how many drives are in your raid 5 array. The minimum is 3 to have raid 5. You can lose 1 drive in that config and lose no information what so ever. replace the dead drive and it rebuilds. The larger array you have the more drive failures the array can withstand.

This is why enterprise/ businesses use raid 5 or higher on their data !!!!!!!!!

as for your controller dying, you would need an identical controller or maybe a controller from the same manufacturer to recover your raid. where it's on the motherboard or add-on card. I wouldn't recommend using a cheap or no brand raid card. check the warranty on the card before you buy.


I think for a raid solution for most home users would be just to have multiple Raid 1 volumes. It is simple and has less hassles of raid 5. Drives and controllers are cheap, and you take still take the hard drives anywhere, since the drives are mirrored, you can take the drives and put them in anything, another computer/ enclosure. ( I.E. you can take the 2 hard drives that are in raid 1 and separate them and be fine)
 
Buy 2 of these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817347021

buy 4 of these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

For a cost of $560 and you have 2 3TB volumes, one for data, and one for TimeMachine

Need more space, buy the 2TB Westerns instead of 1.5TB Drives or double the above for 6TB,

VS

the drobo

Drobo is roughly with 4 1.5TB HD is about $970 or about $400 more and more complicated.


over time replace the 1.5 with ever comes out next (2.5TB or 3TB drives eventually)or when 2GB get cheaper. Size what you need for the next year or two and replace with larger drives.

I have 900+ movies and have a 3tb Volumes with 700-800 GB free, this should last atleast a year from now and larger drives will be cheaper and larger 1 year from now
 
Intelectually prepackaged is great and will choose it anytime to a homegrown solution. I also buy my Macbooks from Apple and don't build them myself. However there are a lot of people that do this and its ok.

You can run a *lot* of software like mail server, slimcenter, Joomla, WorldPress directly on the Qnap making it a single central server for everything. You can replicate it to another location. The software support in the community is great. I am not saying you can't do this with unRaid and a general purpose Linus install, it will just eat much more time researching and building the solution yourself.
Need a firmware upgrade on the Qnap? Just download the file and click on a button. If something goes wrong, it automatically reverts to the previous firmware. Do you have this level of confidence while upgrading unRaid?


I know hardly any Linux, and I have set up two different unRAID servers with very little time spent researching. I can control my server from a web interface that is pretty much self-explanatory. Now, I plan to add some of the features that prostuff1 was talking about in the future, and that probably has a much higher learning curve than doing similar things on your Qnap (and Qnap does sound really nice). In defending unRAID I am just trying to make the point that you have made several statements about it that show you have several misconceptions about it and haven't really looked into it very much. It isn't for a novice, but that person is buying a WD Mybook or a Drobo. But it is not nearly as hard or time consuming as you claim.
 
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Sorry, that was a typo on my part. I have corrected my mistake.

I understand how RAID5 works I just mistyped. In RAID5 is you lose 2 disks at the same time you are hosed, all of your data is gone, and your out of luck. If you lose 2 disks in unRAID you only lose the data on those 2 disks not the entire array.
 
wow having a hard time deciding wither to buy a tb or buy a new drum pad.

tb = $103.98 including shipping and tax
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq
pad = $25 without shipping and tax
http://www.interstatemusic.com/weba...51&langId=-1&catalogId=10021&productId=112924

ahhhh, this drum pad is sick and looked everywhere for it, and i have to move a 20gb file to my external with only 18gb left. ahhhhhhhhhh
and if anyone knows which of the 1tb drives from phantom are better i would love to know
 
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