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Do you own a Surface device

  • Yes I own a Surface Pro or Surfacebook - it’s great

    Votes: 165 51.2%
  • Yes I own a Surface laptop - it’s great

    Votes: 36 11.2%
  • No - i’m not a fan

    Votes: 69 21.4%
  • Not anymore I had a bad experience

    Votes: 52 16.1%

  • Total voters
    322
I have the SP 2017 and I am hoping Apple makes it really hard on me by adding a full finder and external mouse and monitor support to the iPad Pro. Then I would really have to determine what I like best. Instead we will get nothing that turns the iPad Pro into a full-blown computer.

That's okay. I will still plug along on my SP 2017.


Yeah, wouldn’t that be nice! I returned my first SP5, because I thought Windows was a little too odd for me at the time and thought I would really prefer a 12.9 iPP with ASK keyboard. But I found the 12.9 iPP with ASK m to be only slightly less useless than my previous 9.7 iPP and retuned that and purchased another SP5.

In the meantime I got really comfortable with Windows and very much like my SP5. Looking forward to seeing what the next iteration of the SP brings :)
 
I have the SP 2017 and I am hoping Apple makes it really hard on me by adding a full finder and external mouse and monitor support to the iPad Pro. Then I would really have to determine what I like best. Instead we will get nothing that turns the iPad Pro into a full-blown computer.

That's okay. I will still plug along on my SP 2017.
What's crazy to me is a iOS finder is really not that complicated to make and as for the external mouse and monitor support, that's probably some of the easier hardware intergrations to the iPad there is yet they just won't do it. Their is nothing limiting technically wise from them doing this. I 100% still believe that they just are a holes and want the extra money they get when people have to buy an iPad and a Macbook to get all of, what I think should be the basic staples anyways on ANY OS. Whether its Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, as a OS with a UI the standard should at least be a file system, mouse, keyboard, monitor and even now some type of touch support. Every other consumer OS you can get right now has these except Apple.
 
What's crazy to me is a iOS finder is really not that complicated to make and as for the external mouse and monitor support, that's probably some of the easier hardware intergrations to the iPad there is yet they just won't do it. Their is nothing limiting technically wise from them doing this. I 100% still believe that they just are a holes and want the extra money they get when people have to buy an iPad and a Macbook to get all of, what I think should be the basic staples anyways on ANY OS. Whether its Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, as a OS with a UI the standard should at least be a file system, mouse, keyboard, monitor and even now some type of touch support. Every other consumer OS you can get right now has these except Apple.

I’m starting to think this is true! I’ve been using my Pro 6 quite heavily just lately (since I’m not buying a MacBook with a keyboard that has issues). It’s taken some getting use to! But I can do long writing sessions, then make notes with the Surface Pen, watch Netflix, Now TV and so on, all on the same device and then play a few PC games.

My iPad Pro helps me edit photos, play a few mobile games and so on. But it’s lacking when it comes to the typing experience, the Surface Pro Keyboard has backlit keys and a proper keyboard. The iPad Pro doesn’t.

Also Apple seriously needs to improve IOS on the iPad so that people can do more.
 
I have to say that Microsoft’s support, at least if you have a store near you, is every bit as good as Apples if not better.

I have told the story before about how I accidentally cracked my screen within the first couple of weeks of ownership doing something dumb. When I called them to use one of my instances of Accidental Damage, they told me to simply back it up, bring it in and they handed me a new one without charging for an incident.

Recently I was having a problem with the MicroSD card sometimes ejecting/re-finding/ejecting. I suspect maybe I had gotten some debris in the slot since it was so intermittent and while we were testing it in store it originally was doing that, but after multiple inserts it stopped. Not surprising considering how and where I use it and it’s been subjected to sand, dirt, ash, etc.

But even though it stopped doing it while I was there, they just said “rather than risk having you come back, we are just going to swap it” and pulled another from the back.

Whether it is new or refurbished, I don’t know for sure. It looks better than my old one. Not a mark on it. They told me that most of them are ones that have had the retail box damaged, and are labeled “not for retail sales” as a result.

In any case, despite the fears of folks like @hajime about refurbished, I have a replacement machine that for all practical purposes is new :)
 
I’m starting to think this is true! I’ve been using my Pro 6 quite heavily just lately (since I’m not buying a MacBook with a keyboard that has issues). It’s taken some getting use to! But I can do long writing sessions, then make notes with the Surface Pen, watch Netflix, Now TV and so on, all on the same device and then play a few PC games.

My iPad Pro helps me edit photos, play a few mobile games and so on. But it’s lacking when it comes to the typing experience, the Surface Pro Keyboard has backlit keys and a proper keyboard. The iPad Pro doesn’t.

Also Apple seriously needs to improve IOS on the iPad so that people can do more.

At this point there is no way it is anything but just a choice to make you buy multiple devices.

I have to say that Microsoft’s support, at least if you have a store near you, is every bit as good as Apples if not better.

I have told the story before about how I accidentally cracked my screen within the first couple of weeks of ownership doing something dumb. When I called them to use one of my instances of Accidental Damage, they told me to simply back it up, bring it in and they handed me a new one without charging for an incident.

Recently I was having a problem with the MicroSD card sometimes ejecting/re-finding/ejecting. I suspect maybe I had gotten some debris in the slot since it was so intermittent and while we were testing it in store it originally was doing that, but after multiple inserts it stopped. Not surprising considering how and where I use it and it’s been subjected to sand, dirt, ash, etc.

But even though it stopped doing it while I was there, they just said “rather than risk having you come back, we are just going to swap it” and pulled another from the back.

Whether it is new or refurbished, I don’t know for sure. It looks better than my old one. Not a mark on it. They told me that most of them are ones that have had the retail box damaged, and are labeled “not for retail sales” as a result.

In any case, despite the fears of folks like @hajime about refurbished, I have a replacement machine that for all practical purposes is new :)
I have always had better experiences with Microsoft Support than anyone else really. I have had them not charge me for an accidental claim, giving me a THIRD claim when they didn't have to and still not charging the deductible. Now their online support leaves a lot to be desired unless you finally get them to send it to one of their escalation teams and then they are pretty quick and good and not installing LogMeIm and doing the exact same thing, and taking a heck of a lot longer, that I told them I had done to troubleshoot. Honestly as well if you go into the store and don't get the outcome you want, go in a different day when another manager is there and it might work.
 
At this point there is no way it is anything but just a choice to make you buy multiple devices.


I have always had better experiences with Microsoft Support than anyone else really. I have had them not charge me for an accidental claim, giving me a THIRD claim when they didn't have to and still not charging the deductible. Now their online support leaves a lot to be desired unless you finally get them to send it to one of their escalation teams and then they are pretty quick and good and not installing LogMeIm and doing the exact same thing, and taking a heck of a lot longer, that I told them I had done to troubleshoot. Honestly as well if you go into the store and don't get the outcome you want, go in a different day when another manager is there and it might work.

There was a different manager there today than the overall manager who I generally see, but he only came over to do a quick approval. The tech dealt with the rest under a quick “you have a warranty and we have one in stock so we are just going to replace it” scenario. I was in and out in no time with a replacement device.

Other than the mild annoyances or having to do a few setup steps, just as you would with a replacement phone, it couldn’t have gone smoother or easier.

Lucky to have a store that’s like 20 mins away I guess.

Felt a little sorry for the poor woman next to me though who for some reason bought a razor blade as her one and only computer for business. She already had a couple of exchanges done and this time she was outside the exchange period. She was going on about how it was her business and everything in it was all she had for her business. I was thinking (a) you should *always* have a plan B backup machine for business and (b) as nice as the Razor Blades are, they lack the reliability for primarily business, particularly if you have ignored (a). They were wanting to check it in and send it to Razer and with Razer CS, who knows how long that might take.
 
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There was a different manager there today than the overall manager who I generally see, but he only came over to do a quick approval. The tech dealt with the rest under a quick “you have a warranty and we have one in stock so we are just going to replace it” scenario. I was in and out in no time with a replacement device.

Other than the mild annoyances or having to do a few setup steps, just as you would with a replacement phone, it couldn’t have gone smoother or easier.

Lucky to have a store that’s like 20 mins away I guess.

Felt a little sorry for the poor woman next to me though who for some reason bought a razor blade as her one and only computer for business. She already had a couple of exchanges done and this time she was outside the exchange period. She was going on about how it was her business and everything in it was all she had for her business. I was thinking (a) you should *always* have a plan B backup machine for business and (b) as nice as the Razor Blades are, they lack the reliability for primarily business, particularly if you have ignored (a). They were wanting to check it in and send it to Razer and with Razer CS, who knows how long that might take.
Yeah extended warranty's are always good but the only time they are really great is when you have a warranty where you can go in and swap it out. Having to ship it out is such a hassle. The sad part is you could still have a store where you bought 10 mins away but still have to have them ship it out to repair or retailers like fry's where they do it in store and might take a few days. God I remember my first warranty issue... My first Laptop ever, an iBook G3 that I bought from CompuServe back in the day. My Microsoft Store is less than 15 miles away and have never had an issue with them.

People fear that refurb word but honestly I have had better luck with the refurbs I got swapped with when I had an accidental claim then with a brand new one. Have never had to take a refurb in for hardware related problems.
 
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At this point there is no way it is anything but just a choice to make you buy multiple devices.

Thing is I keep searching for the device that can replace the laptop and do tablet things, within the Apple ecosystem. The thing is the Surface Pro can do it, it's just that it runs Windows. If I can master Windows I will have finally found the device that can replace my old (now dead) 2011 MacBook Pro.

Don't get me wrong I really like the new MacBook Air, but the issue is with the keyboard! also do I really need to buy a new Air when I can keep the Surface Pro 6 and do most of the things I intend to do. I will keep my 2012 iMac to do the things I need like Pixelmator (which I can't get on Windows and the Surface Pro).

Time will tell. But the more I use my Surface the less I'm using my iPad Pro and the more I'm getting done.
 
If I can master Windows I will have finally found the device that can replace my old (now dead) 2011 MacBook Pro.

What is it about Windows that you have to master? A serious question, I'm not trolling or trying to start an argument :)
 
What is it about Windows that you have to master? A serious question, I'm not trolling or trying to start an argument :)

It's just how different it is from MacOS, the menus, the way to do certain things. I've been using a Mac since 2011, before that I was using Windows Vista which was terrible, hence why I jumped over to Mac. I loved the 2011 MacBook Pro I had, it was a great laptop that lasted me many years with everyday heavy usage, university of 3 years and even my very first job. That is difficult to forget and replace.
 
It's just how different it is from MacOS, the menus, the way to do certain things. I've been using a Mac since 2011, before that I was using Windows Vista which was terrible, hence why I jumped over to Mac. I loved the 2011 MacBook Pro I had, it was a great laptop that lasted me many years with everyday heavy usage, university of 3 years and even my very first job. That is difficult to forget and replace.
Windows isn't too complicated to get the hang of, at least insofar as file management, installing & launching apps, customizing the start menu, etc.
Manually installing/replacing device drivers, registry edits, deep network settings, and other nuts & bolts can be intimidating and require a higher level of skill akin to mucking around with the MacOS terminal.
But for day-to-day stuff, Windows isn't any more complex than the Mac.
 
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Windows isn't too complicated to get the hang of, at least insofar as file management, installing & launching apps, customizing the start menu, etc.
Manually installing/replacing device drivers, registry edits, deep network settings, and other nuts & bolts can be intimidating and require a higher level of skill akin to mucking around with the MacOS terminal.
But for day-to-day stuff, Windows isn't any more complex than the Mac.

I think it's a case of getting use to using it, it's like learning to drive a car after being use to walking or running. I'm using my Surface Pro 6 more heavily, which surprised even me, considering I had given up on it originally.

I think there is a learning curve, for those that come from a MacOS and or IOS devices like the iPad Pro. Overall the Surface Pro 6 can do more. If Microsoft keep refining the Surface line-up it will put pressure on the iPad, and what it can do.
 
I think it's a case of getting use to using it, it's like learning to drive a car after being use to walking or running. I'm using my Surface Pro 6 more heavily, which surprised even me, considering I had given up on it originally.

I think there is a learning curve, for those that come from a MacOS and or IOS devices like the iPad Pro. Overall the Surface Pro 6 can do more. If Microsoft keep refining the Surface line-up it will put pressure on the iPad, and what it can do.
I own both a Surface device (Surface Book 2) and an iPad Pro 11". Love them both.

Also had a Surface Pro 3 back in the day. Still have it, actually, but wasn't terribly satisfied with it, though a lot had to do with the early generation hardware, lousy battery life, Windows 8 which was awful, and the TypeCover keyboard & trackpad which I wasn't a fan of.

Today, the SB2 and the iPP both have their pluses and minuses. I don't necessarily think one is better than the other -- different tools for different jobs. 75-80% of what I need to do on a daily basis is handled by the iPad... basic email & calendar, to-do list management, PDFs, meeting notes in OneNote, basic web browsing, Netflix, etc. The other 20-25% requires a solid computer with lots of storage space, lots of RAM, a high-quality keyboard, CPU speed and configuration flexibility (where the Surface Book shines)... image and video-heavy PowerPoint documents, 20+ page research papers in Word with reference manager and bibliography formatting based on journal of submission (via EndNote), multi-document/window comparison & edit tracking, complex Excel sheets (though made by others; I suck at Excel), 8+ active browser tabs for web apps and forms, etc.

I think the Surface isn't competing with the iPad so much as it is with the MacBook/Air/Pro line.

At some point in the next 5 years I think ARM-based tablets will have equivalent functionality to current laptops, but the OS's of today just aren't there. Apple's iOS requires far more work to give apps similar power of MacOS, and Windows for ARM will be kneecapped by (presumably) lack of x86 compatibility until major apps catch up. The convergence utopia will require great effort by not only Apple/Microsoft, but by developers rewriting all the apps we currently depend on.
 
I own both a Surface device (Surface Book 2) and an iPad Pro 11". Love them both.

Also had a Surface Pro 3 back in the day. Still have it, actually, but wasn't terribly satisfied with it, though a lot had to do with the early generation hardware, lousy battery life, Windows 8 which was awful, and the TypeCover keyboard & trackpad which I wasn't a fan of.

Today, the SB2 and the iPP both have their pluses and minuses. I don't necessarily think one is better than the other -- different tools for different jobs. 75-80% of what I need to do on a daily basis is handled by the iPad... basic email & calendar, to-do list management, PDFs, meeting notes in OneNote, basic web browsing, Netflix, etc. The other 20-25% requires a solid computer with lots of storage space, lots of RAM, a high-quality keyboard, CPU speed and configuration flexibility (where the Surface Book shines)... image and video-heavy PowerPoint documents, 20+ page research papers in Word with reference manager and bibliography formatting based on journal of submission (via EndNote), multi-document/window comparison & edit tracking, complex Excel sheets (though made by others; I suck at Excel), 8+ active browser tabs for web apps and forms, etc.

I think the Surface isn't competing with the iPad so much as it is with the MacBook/Air/Pro line.

At some point in the next 5 years I think ARM-based tablets will have equivalent functionality to current laptops, but the OS's of today just aren't there. Apple's iOS requires far more work to give apps similar power of MacOS, and Windows for ARM will be kneecapped by (presumably) lack of x86 compatibility until major apps catch up. The convergence utopia will require great effort by not only Apple/Microsoft, but by developers rewriting all the apps we currently depend on.

Agreed, the iPad Pro has a use for me it’s things like Pixelmator Pro. However I can’t write long sessions on it, hence the Surface Pro. I think it’s more of a laptop than a tablet. That’s how I’ve been using it so far.

Marzipan will probably the transition for Apple to bring iOS apps to the Mac and start the ARM based process.
 
It's just how different it is from MacOS, the menus, the way to do certain things. I've been using a Mac since 2011, before that I was using Windows Vista which was terrible, hence why I jumped over to Mac. I loved the 2011 MacBook Pro I had, it was a great laptop that lasted me many years with everyday heavy usage, university of 3 years and even my very first job. That is difficult to forget and replace.

Well, only solution to your 'problem' is rather simple. Just use Win10 for some time, no macs/linux/etc., just and only Win10. If after that time you don't find it good enough, or you just can't get used to it, well, simply move one from even trying any other win10 device.

But in my case, I find that I can easily switch between OS if I need to.
 
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Well, only solution to your 'problem' is rather simple. Just use Win10 for some time, no macs/linux/etc., just and only Win10. If after that time you don't find it good enough, or you just can't get used to it, well, simply move one from even trying any other win10 device.

But in my case, I find that I can easily switch between OS if I need to.

Yea that’s what I’m doing at the moment, re-learning Windows. It’s been a while since I used it and a lot of things changed.
 
There was a different manager there today than the overall manager who I generally see, but he only came over to do a quick approval. The tech dealt with the rest under a quick “you have a warranty and we have one in stock so we are just going to replace it” scenario. I was in and out in no time with a replacement device.

Other than the mild annoyances or having to do a few setup steps, just as you would with a replacement phone, it couldn’t have gone smoother or easier.

Lucky to have a store that’s like 20 mins away I guess.

Felt a little sorry for the poor woman next to me though who for some reason bought a razor blade as her one and only computer for business. She already had a couple of exchanges done and this time she was outside the exchange period. She was going on about how it was her business and everything in it was all she had for her business. I was thinking (a) you should *always* have a plan B backup machine for business and (b) as nice as the Razor Blades are, they lack the reliability for primarily business, particularly if you have ignored (a). They were wanting to check it in and send it to Razer and with Razer CS, who knows how long that might take.

If you rely on your hardware for a living, and only have one system it's beyond short-sighted. Minimum for me is four that are capable for the task, two 15"/17" and two 12"/13"

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If you rely on your hardware for a living, and only have one system it's beyond short-sighted. Minimum for me is four that are capable for the task, two 15"/17" and two 12"/13"

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I don't have as many as you, but then again I don't need the mission critical reliability of working in remote areas. But I was blown away that someone would have only a single computer with no plan B for mission critical business. Which would also lead me to believe the probably also doesn’t have an adequate backup scheme for the data she has on the one.

Funny thing is she wouldn’t even talk to the tech until her sister “who works in the IT field and set her up for her business” got there. I was thinking “Wait. Your sister works in the IT field and set you up, but even she didn’t think having a Plan B was a sound idea?”

Sales guy was trying to convince her that at the very least she should have an inexpensive second machine, but I think she thought it was all just a sales pitch.

What are you gonna do with those kinds of customers other than smile and nod. And the was doing such a good job of that :)
 
I have to say that everyday I use this Surface Pro 6, the more I like it. I spent most of yesterday writing and researching. The Surface Pen was very helpful when writing up notes, taking notes on Edge is very helpful and then sharing and saving them afterwards is awesome.

Granted I haven't pushed it to the limit, I have spent most of the time writing, researching, watching YouTube Videos, Netflix and playing some PC games (Two Point Hospital plays well). I keep learning new things every time I use the device. Such as being able to install full programs from outside the Windows store.
 
I don't have as many as you, but then again I don't need the mission critical reliability of working in remote areas. But I was blown away that someone would have only a single computer with no plan B for mission critical business. Which would also lead me to believe the probably also doesn’t have an adequate backup scheme for the data she has on the one.

Funny thing is she wouldn’t even talk to the tech until her sister “who works in the IT field and set her up for her business” got there. I was thinking “Wait. Your sister works in the IT field and set you up, but even she didn’t think having a Plan B was a sound idea?”

Sales guy was trying to convince her that at the very least she should have an inexpensive second machine, but I think she thought it was all just a sales pitch.

What are you gonna do with those kinds of customers other than smile and nod. And the was doing such a good job of that :)

Makes absolutely no sense, in reality I have at least six notebooks I can lay my hands on that will work. I travel with a minimum of two irrespective of destination/location. Generally Clients are understanding, however when paying for a professional service in the event of a hardware failure, 24/36 hours at very best. Remote areas are not excusable as the client is generally paying a significant premium.

TBH the hardware is the very least of it, required reference documentation runs magnitudes more. Generally run on a 24/36 month cycle for notebooks and stagger the purchase. Just bought multiple TB of external SSD's for exactly the same reasons; redundancy and backup as the cost is irrelevant in the bigger picture.

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I have to say that everyday I use this Surface Pro 6, the more I like it. I spent most of yesterday writing and researching. The Surface Pen was very helpful when writing up notes, taking notes on Edge is very helpful and then sharing and saving them afterwards is awesome.

Granted I haven't pushed it to the limit, I have spent most of the time writing, researching, watching YouTube Videos, Netflix and playing some PC games (Two Point Hospital plays well). I keep learning new things every time I use the device. Such as being able to install full programs from outside the Windows store.

Moving purely from the Mac to W10 is a big learning curve, that said the more you put in the more you will get out of the OS. Although W10 has it's own issues Apple would need to deliver something spectacular for me to return. Going back to the Mac is like a timewarp into the past.

TBH Mac's look fabulous, however for me computers are tools not eye candy and need to deliver first and foremost. The reality is absolutely no one cares what notebook you use, they care about your output...

Personally I wont consider a 12" - 14" unless it has Pen & Multi Touch, it's simply too useful and opens up new dynamic workflows. Apple is too concerned with locking it's users in and forcing multiple hardware purchases, delaying technology advancements so it can rake in the $$$$.

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Moving purely from the Mac to W10 is a big learning curve, that said the more you put in the more you will get out of the OS. Although W10 has it's own issues Apple would need to deliver something spectacular for me to return. Going back to the Mac is like a timewarp into the past.

TBH Mac's look fabulous, however for me computers are tools not eye candy and need to deliver first and foremost. The reality is absolutely no one cares what notebook you use, they care about your output...

Personally I wont consider a 12" - 14" unless it has Pen & Multi Touch, it's simply too useful and opens up new dynamic workflows. Apple is too concerned with locking it's users in and forcing multiple hardware purchases.

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I'm not completely out of Mac, I do still own a 2012 iMac. I do still like MacOS, however having used this Surface Pro 6 more and more just lately (purely because I wasn't going to buy a MacBook that have faulty keyboards) the more I like it, yes I have a learning curve with it, and continue to do so.

I can sit here and type away on the Surface Pro 6 (just as i'm doing now typing this), but with my iPad Pro 2017 I can't do that, even with the smart keyboard it doesnt feel the same. That is the reason why I've never brought the Apple Smart Keyboard for the iPad.

I consider the iPad to be a great tool for drawing, photo editing in apps like Pixelmator. The Surface Pro 6, to me at least seems to be a better all round computer in one package, in order to get that from Apple I need to buy a MacBook and the iPad. I'm not saying that's a bad thing for them, but for portability it's not good for us.

I'm not here to hate on Apple, I still like their products, I just want them to fix the keyboard in the MacBook's and make the iPad Pro more productive. I'm keeping this Surface Pro 6 around tho, at the moment it's a very helpful device that I have come to use daily and like.
 
I'm not completely out of Mac, I do still own a 2012 iMac. I do still like MacOS, however having used this Surface Pro 6 more and more just lately (purely because I wasn't going to buy a MacBook that have faulty keyboards) the more I like it, yes I have a learning curve with it, and continue to do so.

I can sit here and type away on the Surface Pro 6 (just as i'm doing now typing this), but with my iPad Pro 2017 I can't do that, even with the smart keyboard it doesnt feel the same. That is the reason why I've never brought the Apple Smart Keyboard for the iPad.

I consider the iPad to be a great tool for drawing, photo editing in apps like Pixelmator. The Surface Pro 6, to me at least seems to be a better all round computer in one package, in order to get that from Apple I need to buy a MacBook and the iPad. I'm not saying that's a bad thing for them, but for portability it's not good for us.

I'm not here to hate on Apple, I still like their products, I just want them to fix the keyboard in the MacBook's and make the iPad Pro more productive. I'm keeping this Surface Pro 6 around tho, at the moment it's a very helpful device that I have come to use daily and like.

Apple lost my custom with decisions that may have impressed the masses, yet failed to deliver in the professional realm. I used to endorse Apple unreservedly, 20 years more when it produced the very best it could, now Apple only focuses solely on the $$$$ it can extract out of it's customers.

Such a disappointment as Apple was once truly "Different" Reason I'm using W10 professionally solely lies with Apple nobody else, Apple owns that one...

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To get rid of my last Mac is really an emotional decision.
I`ve used and loved Apple so many years ... but the latest idiotic decisions are making me absolutely mad.
I am talking about the keyboard reliability right now...
I understand that many folks are talking about apple care which makes them sleep well (by the way in Central Europe, where I live, apple care isn't available) but that is for a hobbyist maybe. I used my laptops professionally and I cannot put on hold my clients telling them to wait a week or ten days till my computer comes back and the fact that I cannot pull the ssd when in service complicates my life even further (I`m a lawyer so I do work with sensitive info).
I get the point that the chances of failure are present with any brand. But with the latest keyboard this is almost a certainty with Macbooks (and I and my colleagues DO have too much first hand experience with this issue) not a mostly theoretical chance of bad luck.
What do keyboards have to do with iMac? I never heard of similar problems with iMac keyboards as with Macbooks. At least my iMac keyboard is fine.
 
What do keyboards have to do with iMac? I never heard of similar problems with iMac keyboards as with Macbooks. At least my iMac keyboard is fine.
While I really really dislike the keyboards that came with the 3 iMacs that I use and/or manage at work, they've been resonable reliably. My "fix" for the one I use daily has been to put the Apple supplied "sexy thin" keyboard on the shelf and use one of my older personal full travel Apple keyboards intead.
 
Thing is I keep searching for the device that can replace the laptop and do tablet things, within the Apple ecosystem. The thing is the Surface Pro can do it, it's just that it runs Windows. If I can master Windows I will have finally found the device that can replace my old (now dead) 2011 MacBook Pro.

Don't get me wrong I really like the new MacBook Air, but the issue is with the keyboard! also do I really need to buy a new Air when I can keep the Surface Pro 6 and do most of the things I intend to do. I will keep my 2012 iMac to do the things I need like Pixelmator (which I can't get on Windows and the Surface Pro).

Time will tell. But the more I use my Surface the less I'm using my iPad Pro and the more I'm getting done.
You will master Windows in no time. Also remember to ask a question on here no matter how simple it seems. We have all had them I promise.
 
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