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So the dell is for work?

Why do they need their personal laptop too if they are on a work trip? I would leave the mac at home and just bring my iPad for pleasure and use the work issued Dell to do work on. Or maybe they just like hauling gadgets around with them

I believe he uses the Macbook for a small business and personal, but don't know for sure. In my case, the reason I wanted my Mac with me was because I scan literally every document I get in. My wife often has a question about a bill or something. I might be on the other side of the world and she can't wait 8-10 days to get an answer. I also sometimes want to work on financial planning and such in down time when on a business trip. Or process photos that I took on a trip. The point is, I have it all in one device. I do what he does in his Dell work laptop, Macbook, and iPad, on my Surface Pro.
 
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I believe he uses the Macbook for a small business and personal, but don't know for sure. In my case, the reason I wanted my Mac with me was because I scan literally every document I get in. My wife often has a question about a bill or something. I might be on the other side of the world and she can't wait 8-10 days to get an answer. I also sometimes want to work on financial planning and such in down time when on a business trip. Or process photos that I took on a trip. The point is, I have it all in one device. I do what he does in his Dell work laptop, Macbook, and iPad, on my Surface Pro.

Since Surface Pro is pitched as a laptop replacement, it has proven to work for some users and vice versa. However, I don't think Surface Go (aimed much closer to iPad's price point and pitched as a tablet first use) viable for its purported use and would still fall short as all-in-one device unlike Pro. Also, fully functioned Adobe PS/LR will soon come to iOS, adding more salt to Surface Go's demise.
 
Since Surface Pro is pitched as a laptop replacement, it has proven to work for some users and vice versa. However, I don't think Surface Go (aimed much closer to iPad's price point and pitched as a tablet first use) viable for its purported use and would still fall short as all-in-one device unlike Pro. Also, fully functioned Adobe PS/LR will soon come to iOS, adding more salt to Surface Go's demise.

I see the Surface Go like the iPad Mini. Its a different size and a different price point. Its expanding the granularity of the Surface line.
 
I see the Surface Go like the iPad Mini. Its a different size and a different price point. Its expanding the granularity of the Surface line.

That's true, it's just a shame that the implementation is piss poor. Although the size is too large to be in ipad mini territory IMO. If they had reasonable bezels instead of the 2012 monstrosities they put on it, then maybe it would have approached ipad mini territory.
 
That's true, it's just a shame that the implementation is piss poor. Although the size is too large to be in ipad mini territory IMO. If they had reasonable bezels instead of the 2012 monstrosities they put on it, then maybe it would have approached ipad mini territory.

You have a point between the bezels and the the price, no idea what Microsoft is thinking.
 
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You have a point between the bezels and the the price, no idea what Microsoft is thinking.

The price is about half that of a Surface Pro. You can't compare it to discounted Surface Pros now, because they will refresh at some point. I don't see what all the hoopla is about here with saying its DOA. People have different needs, and sizes/choices is a good thing.

On another forum more focused on Tablet PCs, a lot of folks with Surface 3s are seeing this as a good follow-on.
 
Holding the device in landscape mode:

  • The Surfaces Go has 0.6" side bezels while the iPad has 0.8" bezels for the fingerprint sensor and the 1.2MP Facetime camera on the other side .
  • The Surfaces Go has 0.7" top/bottom bezels while the iPad has 0.4" bezels. The bottom bezel on the GO is this size to allow the KB to attach and the top is made symmetrical to the bottom but has the additional Windows Hello sensor etc.
  • The Surface Go is 70% screen, compared to 73% for the iPad.
 
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Holding the device in landscape mode:

  • The Surfaces Go has 0.6" side bezels while the iPad has 0.8" bezels for the fingerprint sensor and the 1.2MP Facetime camera on the other side .
  • The Surfaces Go has 0.7" top/bottom bezels while the iPad has 0.4" bezels. The bottom bezel on the GO is this size to allow the KB to attach and the top is made symmetrical to the bottom but has the additional Windows Hello sensor etc.
  • The Surface Go is 70% screen, compared to 73% for the iPad.


Seems pretty similar, although I expect Apple to shrink their bezels in the next round. Personally, I odn't mind bezel on a tablet because you have something to hold. You don't need that on a phone or display, but with tablets you often need to hold it by the edges and its annoying if you end up hitting something.
 
The price is about half that of a Surface Pro. You can't compare it to discounted Surface Pros now, because they will refresh at some point. I don't see what all the hoopla is about here with saying its DOA. People have different needs, and sizes/choices is a good thing.

On another forum more focused on Tablet PCs, a lot of folks with Surface 3s are seeing this as a good follow-on.

Yeah but those bezels... Lol, seriously what $399 tablet has bezels that large in 2018, or even in 2015? To find bezels that big you have to search on Amazon for those $80 Chinese tablets. Samsung's Tab A from last year has nicer bezels and is cheaper, and the 2018 model pics have leaked and have even thinner bezels. Of course the ipad has nicer bezels, and if rumors are true will have slim bezels all around, with the base model comparable in price to the surface Go. Other tablet makers have made strides in thinner bezels, some of the windows snapdragon tablets and other android oem's like Huawei. Buying a marked down surface pro is even competition for them, MS just had a $200 off sale and that would bring the lowest model not too far away from the Go pricing. The surface pro line won't refresh for a while, my estimate is at least another 8 months, but at that point they will be giving away the surface GO's because of having so much unsold inventory, so maybe it will be an OK deal at $199 IF benchmarks and real world use show it runs decently and the battery isn't as bad as anticipated.

No, I will continue to say that these bezels are terrible in 2018, Microsoft and Panos should be thoroughly embarrassed by them. It's not just aesthetics either, as larger bezels means a larger device. For the device being larger because of the humungous bezels they could at least have stuck more battery in there, but this actually has LESS battery than the surface pro and still lags FAR behind the battery life of other ecosystems.

This is DOA, just like Windows RT was DOA.
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Holding the device in landscape mode:

  • The Surfaces Go has 0.6" side bezels while the iPad has 0.8" bezels for the fingerprint sensor and the 1.2MP Facetime camera on the other side .
  • The Surfaces Go has 0.7" top/bottom bezels while the iPad has 0.4" bezels. The bottom bezel on the GO is this size to allow the KB to attach and the top is made symmetrical to the bottom but has the additional Windows Hello sensor etc.
  • The Surface Go is 70% screen, compared to 73% for the iPad.

Those measurements are actually significant IMO. You are saying the top/bottom bezels are nearly TWICE the size. The side bezels are about 20% larger in 2017, but we are all expecting those bezels to shrink on the ipad in 2018. Sometimes small measurements make a bigger impact than what you would expect from specifications. Take the iPhone X as an example, the screen to body ratio isn't as good as many other phones, but because of how the bezels are configured the impact is stunning.

The other thing to consider is that windows requires more screen space because of the UI. Having the taskbar on the bottom takes up space, as does the title bar of most programs and apps. UWP apps can go fullscreen though, but it's an extra step and sometimes switching apps knocks them out of full screen. That's why I advocate windows UI being great on my surface pro because it's big enough with smaller bezels. But I don't really like Windows on my 8" tablet because so little usable screen is left after windows UI covers it up.
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Seems pretty similar, although I expect Apple to shrink their bezels in the next round. Personally, I odn't mind bezel on a tablet because you have something to hold. You don't need that on a phone or display, but with tablets you often need to hold it by the edges and its annoying if you end up hitting something.

Yeah but how big do you need the bezels to be to hold something? Although I'd wish for something smaller, I think the surface pro bezels are decent and competitive. I would at least have hoped for something that size, and for $399 I would not have complained.
 
having a recent bout of nostalgia regarding the Surface RT/2 i went looking for a used one. The prices for used units have actually INCREASED over the past 2 years. For the prices they’re going for, i might actually consider a Surface Go. :eek::D
 
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Yeah but those bezels... Lol, seriously what $399 tablet has bezels that large in 2018, or even in 2015? To find bezels that big you have to search on Amazon for those $80 Chinese tablets. Samsung's Tab A from last year has nicer bezels and is cheaper, and the 2018 model pics have leaked and have even thinner bezels. Of course the ipad has nicer bezels, and if rumors are true will have slim bezels all around, with the base model comparable in price to the surface Go. Other tablet makers have made strides in thinner bezels, some of the windows snapdragon tablets and other android oem's like Huawei. Buying a marked down surface pro is even competition for them, MS just had a $200 off sale and that would bring the lowest model not too far away from the Go pricing. The surface pro line won't refresh for a while, my estimate is at least another 8 months, but at that point they will be giving away the surface GO's because of having so much unsold inventory, so maybe it will be an OK deal at $199 IF benchmarks and real world use show it runs decently and the battery isn't as bad as anticipated.

No, I will continue to say that these bezels are terrible in 2018, Microsoft and Panos should be thoroughly embarrassed by them. It's not just aesthetics either, as larger bezels means a larger device. For the device being larger because of the humungous bezels they could at least have stuck more battery in there, but this actually has LESS battery than the surface pro and still lags FAR behind the battery life of other ecosystems.

This is DOA, just like Windows RT was DOA.
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Those measurements are actually significant IMO. You are saying the top/bottom bezels are nearly TWICE the size. The side bezels are about 20% larger in 2017, but we are all expecting those bezels to shrink on the ipad in 2018. Sometimes small measurements make a bigger impact than what you would expect from specifications. Take the iPhone X as an example, the screen to body ratio isn't as good as many other phones, but because of how the bezels are configured the impact is stunning.

The other thing to consider is that windows requires more screen space because of the UI. Having the taskbar on the bottom takes up space, as does the title bar of most programs and apps. UWP apps can go fullscreen though, but it's an extra step and sometimes switching apps knocks them out of full screen. That's why I advocate windows UI being great on my surface pro because it's big enough with smaller bezels. But I don't really like Windows on my 8" tablet because so little usable screen is left after windows UI covers it up.
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Yeah but how big do you need the bezels to be to hold something? Although I'd wish for something smaller, I think the surface pro bezels are decent and competitive. I would at least have hoped for something that size, and for $399 I would not have complained.
I think you are getting a bit mixed up or your reply is a bit unclear :)

The Ipad has the largest and most prominent bezel at 0.8" which is twice the size of it's other bezel. The Ipad may well shrink is bezels in the next version but given it's the best selling Tablet bezel size seems not such an issue :rolleyes:

Most of the cheap tablets emulate Apple large Bezel sizes because of the physical button which is not required on the GO

The GO 0.7" bezel is a physical limitation of having probably the best tablet KB like the SP4 that attaches at an incline for a far better typing experience

As the GO runs a full OS like many W10 users they switch the taskbar (that can be position on any side) to autohide, or switch to tablet mode and its gone, so I think your clutching at straws with that comment

Think of all the extra taps you have on any tablet app that does not have a UI ribbon type menu with full OS programmes you often have a choice to suit your preferences and you can always use the Apps opposed to full programmes if you so wish.

It's this flexibility that will appeal to many but I agree 10" is the minimum really for Win10
 
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One of my travel laptops for awhile has been an old ASUS Q200e w/ touch screen running Windows 10 Pro.

i3-2365 1.40GHz
4 gb ram DDR3
Switched out the original HDD for an SSD, on SATA 2 3Gbs.

It's been running pretty good after the drive upgrade for about a year now. Not a speed demon, but more than capable for casual usage.

Being that said, I personally can't tolerate only using "Metro" apps. But for those that can, I think the Surface Go is a pretty good buy.
 
One of my travel laptops for awhile has been an old ASUS Q200e w/ touch screen running Windows 10 Pro.

i3-2365 1.40GHz
4 gb ram DDR3
Switched out the original HDD for an SSD, on SATA 2 3Gbs.

It's been running pretty good after the drive upgrade for about a year now. No it's not a speed demon, but more than capable for casual usage.

Being that said, I personally can't tolerate only using "Metro" apps. But for those that can, I think the Surface Go is a pretty good buy. And if there is a way to enable the full Windows 10 OS, legit or non legit, then even better and I might be interested.

Full apps and W10 is only a few clicks away and a free upgrade :)
 
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Full apps and W10 is only a few clicks away and a free upgrade :)

It's an old laptop so I don't know how that person installed Windows 10 S on it. I don't think there's any upgrade route to Windows 10 S from previous Windows version.

Anyhow, his specs are still good for a web-browsing / office work. I can see RAW file editing struggle with his/her laptop specs though
 
Full apps and W10 is only a few clicks away and a free upgrade :)

It's an old laptop so I don't know how that person installed Windows 10 S on it. I don't think there's any upgrade route to Windows 10 S from previous Windows version.

Anyhow, his specs are still good for a web-browsing / office work. I can see RAW file editing struggle with his/her laptop specs though

As I stated, I'm running Windows 10 Pro on my old laptop. My post was a comparison that if Windows 10 Pro can run decently on my laptop's specs, then Windows 10 in S mode should work more than fine with the Surface Go specs.

But yea, any serious photo or video editing is out of the question. I doubt anyone is buying a Surface Go for those type of tasks anyways.
 
It's an old laptop so I don't know how that person installed Windows 10 S on it. I don't think there's any upgrade route to Windows 10 S from previous Windows version.

Anyhow, his specs are still good for a web-browsing / office work. I can see RAW file editing struggle with his/her laptop specs though
Sorry :) I was refering to the GO not the old PC he/she noted as in it's not just 10S it can be upgraded to W10 for free
[doublepost=1532216428][/doublepost]The release date in Malaysia or Thailand seems more end of August (not announced yet) but I notice you can order on Amazon with 2nd of August available date
 
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Sorry :) I was refereeing to the GO not the old PC he/she noted as in it's not just 10S it can be upgraded to W10 for free

So anyone that buys a Surface Go can upgrade it to the full windows version for free? They are not disabling doing so on the Surface Go? If that's the case, then I'm getting one.
 
So anyone that buys a Surface Go can upgrade it to the full windows version for free? They are not disabling doing so on the Surface Go? If that's the case, then I'm getting one.
Yep, like the Surface laptop just a couple of clicks and you go from 10S to W10 Home for free, Not sure it's reversible but there was some screenshots of a simple toggle switch in settings, so who knows

The enterprise version comes with W10 Pro and can be downgraded to 10S and I think its an LTE version and won't come out for a little while longer
 
I wouldn't recommend leaving S mode for the Go. The processor might be good enough for store apps, but anything heavy would kill it.
 
I wouldn't recommend leaving S mode for the Go. The processor might be good enough for store apps, but anything heavy would kill it.

I think your being a little conservative here especially with the 8GB version given that we know that this processor is better than typical Atom and SP3 and punching around similar if not marginally better than typical entry M3 CPU used in rMB 2015 and even graphically better and up to M3 SP4 standards

Many users have been doing plentily of lightweight productivity work on rMB M3's SP3's etc and more

We know this is only a lightweight companion device but it's more than something just capable of running store Apps

Stick to it's remit and most will be more than happy to run many full OS programmes with modest loads

 
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I'm going for the 8gb version. I just need something very portable which also runs a full OS to carry around, that's not expensive enough to worry about scratches or minor scuffs. If I was purchasing for just indoor usage, then I would get the Pro.
 
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