i know, right! i’m on the verge of doing the same.
Yeah, but I don't think you bash Windows quite as often as I do.
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Yeah, but I don't think you bash Windows quite as often as I do.
Actually, an order of magnitude more than you.
Actually, an order of magnitude more than you.
That's a lot, because I have been late for work a couple times because I was busy ranting to my sister about Microsoft. Same with Google and Apple and everything else, really.
I want to order but no pre order in Thailand or Malaysia or Singapore yet
Still surprised thought you were a pixelbook fan
I want to order but no pre order in Thailand or Malaysia or Singapore yet
Still surprised thought you were a pixelbook fan
I still am. Pixelbook is great.
To me, the iPad Pro isn't something I could use since I don't need an Apple Pencil nor the larger screen or improved specs. My iPad does the job in terms of basic computing. I would only get the Surface Go if my next employer needs me to get a new computer.
Great you have an easy threshold enjoy your Ipad until you are at that point
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The niceties of the PB aside its an OS variant I just cant get my head around
Still going to be well Jelly if you chaps get the GO before me
I'll need to wait until I can hold one to render judgement. It doesn't look that different from the Surface Pro to me, and I'm OK with that for a tablet.
They look huge next to the surface pro. I wonder what they will look like next to the rumored slim bezel ipad. Even next to today's ipad they look ridiculous. Just my opinion though, it seems like there may be a small market for consumers who need a smaller windows tablet and are willing to overlook or don't care about the bezels. I personally still think it's going to fail, it will last 1-2 iterations then MS will just keep it around like the surface 3 for a few years and let it fade away. OR... they will fix the mistakes made and release a better model.
You can't compare the bezels on a $399 device to one on a $649 (iPad Pro 10.5) or $799 (Surface Pro) device. If you really care about having smaller bezels, you'll look at more expensive options.
The bezel area is for your thumb to grip on to in tablet mode. Your thumbs don't magically shrink when the tablet is smaller. Same thing car seats don't turn into child seats with smaller vehicles. The bezel on the Surface Pro is probably the same width but just looks proportionally smaller because the display is larger. Also, if you make the bezels smaller the attached keyboard would block touch access to the lower display. It's nearly at the edge as is.
I think he has a fair point. It’s a 2018 device and 400 dollars isn’t exactly budget territory for a tablet. Like it or not it is competing with the iPad @ 10 inches and the surface pro3, which makes it’s bezels way too thick.
And let’s face it it’s really 500-520 dollar device.
No one really gets a surface with out the keyboard and trackpad attachment.
Thin or thick bezels is irrelevant if you can get the programme on the screen in the first instance
IOS does not become magically different and a full OS if Apple release a thinner bezel Ipad
If you can manage your needs within a mobile OS then you may be over specing with the GO and your money may be better spent on screen size and other options
If you need the potential of a full OS or even a specific programme at this footprint etc unfortunately Apple/Android/etc do not offer an equivalent
IOS does not become magically different and a full OS if Apple release a thinner bezel Ipad
If you can manage your needs within a mobile OS then you may be over specing with the GO and your money may be better spent on screen size and other options
If you need the potential of a full OS or even a specific programme at this footprint etc unfortunately Apple/Android/etc do not offer an equivalent
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The bezel area is for your thumb to grip on to in tablet mode. Your thumbs don't magically shrink when the tablet is smaller. Same thing car seats don't turn into child seats with smaller vehicles. The bezel on the Surface Pro is probably the same width but just looks proportionally smaller because the display is larger. Also, if you make the bezels smaller the attached keyboard would block touch access to the lower display. It's nearly at the edge as is.
My thumbs hit the bezel area rarely. My hands are not small either. I never understood how everyone is holding their tablet where their thumbs/fingers are so far onto the screen. Maybe it's the venue, as on the surface pro I can pop the kickstand out a little but and use that to hold up the tablet (another advantage to the kickstand). But I get it, this is just a preference where you and I differ and neither of us are right. But my vote certainly goes to smaller bezels (certainly smaller than the monstrosities on the Go). I'll take the functionality of a larger screen ANY day of the week over my thumbs very rarely getting on the screen.
And yeah, the bottom bezel may need to be a bit thicker because of the keyboard. But the surface pro is able to do it with a thinner bezel.
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Meh, that's like saying you can't compare the bezels on a $80 Chinese windows tablet with the $399 surface Go. It may not be about money for some people, it may be more about getting a smaller sized tablet. To be more specific getting the largest screen in the smallest package.
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Thin or thick bezels is irrelevant if you can get the programme on the screen in the first instance
IOS does not become magically different and a full OS if Apple release a thinner bezel Ipad
If you can manage your needs within a mobile OS then you may be over specing with the GO and your money may be better spent on screen size and other options
If you need the potential of a full OS or even a specific programme at this footprint etc unfortunately Apple/Android/etc do not offer an equivalent
Certainly, if you need the smaller form factor of the Go and also need windows then this might be a good choice. Of course we've been down this road before, a couple of times, and we all see how that turned out. Will this time be any different? I think it won't, but once again my personal opinion, and it's based on a lot more than just my bezel complaint. IMO a big part of the surface pro's appeal and decent sales is that it's such a premium device, and aesthetics as well as the functionality of having a larger screen in a smaller package play a big role in that. Microsoft seems to have understood that with the surface laptop/surface book and the surface studio, but they cheaped out on the Go, and not just on the bezel. Certainly much of my disappointment is based on just how incredible the other surface products are.
I think many tech savvy consumers are going to opt for the surface pro, especially when they see that after adding RAM/hard drive space they aren't saving that much money. I understand Microsoft is going for the ipad market here, where the surface pro was more towards the laptop market and maybe the ipad pro market. But I think the surface type consumer is a different type of consumer and will always skew towards the laptop/pro side. If this was a 8" screen I might feel differently, as that is a pocketable/purse-able device. But carrying 10" versus 12" functionally is almost identical, so why not opt for the larger screen? You are still going to need a laptop bag, or will have to sacrifice one hand/arm to carry it.
Plus you can't deny how fast and furious the bezel-less market has hit us, even budget phones are coming out with slim to no bezels. We'll see how the ipad pro, and maybe even the ipad look like in 2 months. Having slim or no bezels is a huge marketing bullet, and it doesn't even need to be spelled out because it's so dramatic. Having something that looks like it's from 2012 isn't going to do much for the Go's image. But once again I feel the Go will fail due to many other reasons I've detailed before. Fail, or MS will revamp it to make more sense. I'll be happy though if it's a success because in principle alone it's great.
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I'm pretty tech savvy, and I'm going to try out the base model. For me, it's purely a price play. Best-in-class build quality with USB-C and full-on Windows for $400. Just like folks that prefer Windows get the appeal of the ~$300 iPads.
I occasionally need Windows. Bootcamp/VM is slightly more cumbersome than a native device. Considering that I expect to have Office included (for free), and I got $$ from Best Buy for an older Dell trade-in, $300 for my out of pocket is a lot different to me than the $800+ scenario you're describing.
Device Screen Size / Aspect Ratio Dimensions Screen-to-Body Ratio
Google Pixelbook 12.3" / 3:2 290.4 x 220.8 x 10.3 mm 70.26%
Samsung Chromebook Plus / Pro 12.3" / 3:2 280.9 x 221.5 x 13.97 mm 72.4%
Asus C302 12.5" / 16:9 304 x 210.3 x 12.7 mm 67.3%
HP Chromebook x2 12.3" / 3:2 292 x 211 x 8.3 mm (15.3 mm w/ keyboard) 73.1%
Acer Chromebook Tab 10 9.7" / 4:3 172.2 x 238.2 x 9.9 mm 71.04%
Microsoft Surface Pro 4 12.3" / 3:2 292.1 x 201.4 x 8.45 mm 76.58%
Microsoft Surface Book 2 13.5" 13.5" / 3:2 312 x 232 x 13 - 23 mm 74.97%
Apple iPad Pro 12.9" 12.9" / 4:3 305.7 x 220.6 x 6.9 mm 76.3%
The Surface Go is 70% screen, compared to 73% for the iPad
Any 10" device 70% to 73% is reasonable and any large device 75%-77% is reasonable IMO
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As I stated before, I would only get the Surface for a work device as my iPad is good for media consumption now. Bezels on a tablet somehow don't bother me as much as a phone. Maybe because it's being used to it by now. I mean my 8+ has huge bezels, but it's not something that inhibits my usage.
The funny thing is my Mac needs to get its battery replaced, but Apple does not want to be pro-active since my MBP's AppleCare+ expires in a week or so. I don't need my Mac as much now since my iPad can hold me over, especially since I already finished my Master's recently.
I am looking forward to the Surface Go's reviews since it intrigues me as a work device. If a future employer allows me to request a particular portable device, I will probably ask for a Surface Go if it works well since it could be a combo between affordability and reliability.
The funny thing is my Mac needs to get its battery replaced, but Apple does not want to be pro-active since my MBP's AppleCare+ expires in a week or so. I don't need my Mac as much now since my iPad can hold me over, especially since I already finished my Master's recently.
I am looking forward to the Surface Go's reviews since it intrigues me as a work device. If a future employer allows me to request a particular portable device, I will probably ask for a Surface Go if it works well since it could be a combo between affordability and reliability.
You're all going to feel silly when Surface Go is the best selling Surface.
Also, remember that the Surface Pro has an i5 version that is the ultrabook one and they're cooling it without a fan.
I like macs and I like Chromebooks. Just hate windows because I’ve had years and years of bad experiences with windows.
The pixelbook looks great. I might try another chromebook. I used one from 2012-2014 (Samsung series 3) until my husband broke it
I has a windows laptop then but once I got the chromebook I barely touched my windows laptop. Even back then they were great. I’m deciding now wether I should get the new 13 inch MBP or the pixelbook. Obviously the MBP is a fully fledged laptop but I don’t actually need all of that computing power and I still have a 2014 MBA that works perfectly. My computing needs are quite simple but I want to get another computer in the house. The MBP is more future proof because it does more but the pixelbook does everything that I currently need a computer to do. Even my iPad Pro suffices but I’ve started to really enjoy using a real physical keyboard again and a nice track pad.
I’ve gone way off topic here sorry. The surface looks nice and I like the concept but I can’t get passed the fact that it runs windows. I’ve had too many bad experiences with it to try it out again just yet.
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