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Tablets Surface Go DOA?
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Here’s an in-depth review looking at all the current reviews.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...s-are-in-and-theyre-a-bit-all-over-the-place/
The Surface Go reviews are in, and… they’re a bit all over the place
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...s-are-in-and-theyre-a-bit-all-over-the-place/
The Surface Go reviews are in, and… they’re a bit all over the place
I suppose it’s a summary of all the reviews. Nice to see them collate all the reviews but of course they are extracting parts to support whatever agenda they have.
I like how they took anyone who said performance was bad as gospel. Oh wait, I mean the opposite. It frustrates me.
Sometimes I get those two mixed up.
Hmm, as I suspected the CPU (and probably RAM/eMMC) are bottlenecks. I suppose it depends on how you use the device, YMMV. On my Surface Pro I regularly have dozens of tabs open on multiple desktops, I don't think the Go would do well in my case. I said it before, and I'll say it again, there is a reason why this was released with Windows S and not full windows, and it's the performance. Of course the secondary reason being MS wants an Apple style app store complete with the revenue that brings, but that's another matter.
This is going to get into the hands of more tech savvy consumers who will upgrade it to full windows and start complaining about the slowdowns and performance. As I've said before, MS should never have cheaped out on this as much as they have.
Still, it seems pretty competitive as a consumption, or what I refer to as a "dumb" tablet (well other than the battery life), with the benefit of full windows. I still think it will flop, but I've adjusted my expectations that there may be a small market for it. I'm going to zoom down to the MS store this weekend to fondle one, I'm really impressed with how small it is in pictures. Might be a nice portable unit, and of course you can't beat the kickstand/keyboard which just utterly trounces anything Apple has.
CPU, massive 2012 bezels, eMMC hard drive, 4GB ram just to name the worst ones IMO.
I agree the competition in the portable computing/tablet field is more than just between iPad and Surface. Surface Go may be DOA (Dead on Arrival) and iPad may also be DOA (Dead of Old Age).
Chromebook may be the real competition.
If you upgrade you can get 8GB of ram and the storage is SSD.
The processor you can't do anything about though.
I'm up for one soon as they are available locally, exactly what I've been waiting for small form factor, full OS with Touch & Pen.
Was going to pick up the 10" Samsung, however the Surface Go, has more "go'" and not much more $$$ where I can pick one up. Looking at the largest capacity with KB & pen, will hopefully prove to be an excellent work companion
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Was going to pick up the 10" Samsung, however the Surface Go, has more "go'" and not much more $$$ where I can pick one up. Looking at the largest capacity with KB & pen, will hopefully prove to be an excellent work companion
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Sure, but those upgrades cost money. Nothing you can do for the bezels, no matter how much money you throw at it. Still, as I said before, I've adjusted my expectations and it does look like a decent little windows tablet. I just don't know how it will do in today's crowded market, but if you need full windows and the surface pro is too large for you then at least there is this alternative.
Looking forward to the reviews and checking it out in person.
No one can do anything about CPU as there is simply not an 8th Gen available currently
I'm not sure why there is such a hang-up on specs it's all about form factor after all the iPad has run 6 years with same non laminated screen, poor webcam, 1st gen finger print sensor low storage on base models , equally large bezels etc yet continues to sell as users want something at this size even if hardware is grossly lagging
other than A10 chipThere will always be users who want IOS or W10 or Android devices of this size to suit numerous scenarios
If you look at the price of IPP or even new Tab S4 which are well in to good laptop territory there will still be buyers
The IP and Go plus other tablets offer an alternative that suit many
You just have to choose if you want an Appy thing or a lappy thing
I respect Dave Lee's opinions. His positive review of it is certainly giving me reason to continue to consider getting one. @Michael Goff 's review (if it is positive) might just push me over the edge.
I just checked one out at BB. The bezels looked smaller in person than online. They are big, but it didn't look as bad as I thought it might.
Unfortunately we'll never know... since Microsoft never breaks down sales figures for Surface products.
And analysts don't provide an answer either... as Microsoft doesn't appear in IDC or Gartner estimates for PCs or tablets. Microsoft is somewhere mixed in with "Others" on those charts.
So... can something be "selling like hot cakes" if they can't even crack the Top 5 on those charts?
Unfortunately we'll never know... since Microsoft never breaks down sales figures for Surface products.
And analysts don't provide an answer either... as Microsoft doesn't appear in IDC or Gartner estimates for PCs or tablets. Microsoft is somewhere mixed in with "Others" on those charts.
So... can something be "selling like hot cakes" if they can't even crack the Top 5 on those charts?
If I were Microsoft, I would be happy with being number 6. We may not know exact number but I still say they will sell like hot cakes, hope that does not bother you. More choices is always better!
Some consumers love to bring up excessive profit as an indicator of success like it's going into their pocket when it's actually pouring out.
Even if the Surface isn't a top 3 seller it still kickstarts the industry with other companies modeling after it, Microsoft still benefit by increasing their ~90% desktop marketshare further and smart consumers have a solid modern form factor choice that can multiboot the two most relevant OS', Windows and Linux, and potentially ChromeOS and MacOS for the price of a limited toy iPad.
Ironically, the Surface is fulfilling Steve Job's mission statement "To make a contribution to the world by making tools for the mind that advance humankind."
Even if the Surface isn't a top 3 seller it still kickstarts the industry with other companies modeling after it, Microsoft still benefit by increasing their ~90% desktop marketshare further and smart consumers have a solid modern form factor choice that can multiboot the two most relevant OS', Windows and Linux, and potentially ChromeOS and MacOS for the price of a limited toy iPad.
Ironically, the Surface is fulfilling Steve Job's mission statement "To make a contribution to the world by making tools for the mind that advance humankind."
Without numbers... you won't know if something sells like hotcakes. You're just guessing.
And that was my point. Microsoft doesn't post numbers... and analysts haven't estimated Surface numbers to be great either since they are never on the chart.
But let's look at what we do know.
In order to break into the Top 5 tablet chart... they need to sell over 1 million units to overtake Amazon at the #5 spot. (in the same quarter Apple sold 10 million iPads at #1)
And on the PC chart... Microsoft would have to sell over 4 million units to break into the Top 5 chart surpassing Acer at the #5 spot. (in the same quarter HP sold 14 million units at #1)
So I gotta ask... what do you consider to be "hotcake" numbers?
Relatively to Surface sales over the last few years yes as I understand they are up ~25% for the last 2 which is far better than most othersUnfortunately we'll never know... since Microsoft never breaks down sales figures for Surface products.
And analysts don't provide an answer either... as Microsoft doesn't appear in IDC or Gartner estimates for PCs or tablets. Microsoft is somewhere mixed in with "Others" on those charts.
So... can something be "selling like hot cakes" if they can't even crack the Top 5 on those charts?
Agreed relative to total revenue they may be down in the charts and minor to Apple but for relative growth, hot cakes is close enough
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But if they're still far below even the #5 seller... is that considered "selling like hotcakes" ?
That's what I was questioning.
I'm not doubting that Microsoft will sell quite a few Surface Go especially at the $399 pricetag.
But let's be honest with the superlatives.
If we hear that Microsoft sells 1 million Surface Go... that would make them the #5 tablet maker but still puts them in the "Others" PC category.
That's not "hotcake" territory...
If you sell $1b worth of surfaces and now sell $5b in 4 years I would say they are selling like hot cakesBut if they're still far below even the #5 seller... is that considered "selling like hotcakes" ?
That's what I was questioning.
I'm not doubting that Microsoft will sell quite a few Surface Go especially at the $399 pricetag.
But let's be honest with the superlatives.
If we hear that Microsoft sells 1 million Surface Go... that would make them the #5 tablet maker but still puts them in the "Others" PC category.
That's not "hotcake" territory...
anyone would be happy with that growthThat's before the $399 came on sale so we may see even hotter cakes LOL
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Without numbers... you won't know if something sells like hotcakes. You're just guessing.
And that was my point. Microsoft doesn't post numbers... and analysts haven't estimated Surface numbers to be great either since they are never on the chart.
But let's look at what we do know.
In order to break into the Top 5 tablet chart... they need to sell over 1 million units to overtake Amazon at the #5 spot. (in the same quarter Apple sold 10 million iPads at #1)
And on the PC chart... Microsoft would have to sell over 4 million units to break into the Top 5 chart surpassing Acer at the #5 spot. (in the same quarter HP sold 14 million units at #1)
So I gotta ask... what do you consider to be "hotcake" numbers?
You seem to only want to argue. I could really care less about the whole thing. You are also just guessing. I consider my hotcake number to be the number that Microsoft sells.
I am done here, you were several posts ago!
I'm seeing a lot of buzz over the Go from people and places that I wasn't expecting. I think it just might be a surprise hit for Microsoft.... provided they don't do their usual "snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory".If you sell $1b worth of surfaces and now sell $5b in 4 years I would say they are selling like hot cakes
That's before the $399 came on sale so we may see even hotter cakes LOL
All Microsoft appears to need to do is not mess up system updates for it. (which has been a chronic issue since day-1 of the Surface line).
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