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appledes7

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I also fail to see why "milliseconds" UI lag would cause an issue in a real world situation.

You clearly don't have a good grasp on time.



I don't see iOS any better. Put apps in the background and it just guzzle up the RAM. Worst is when RAM runs out iOS just kill those background apps without restarting them. Android at least know how to load/unload apps as when required.
iOS devices have half the RAM of my Nexus 5 and perform smoother. iOS memory management is better. It is as simple as that.




Well, you dismissed the slow scrolling speed of Iphone and the frozen screen of iOS when your finger is touching the screen as "do not impact real world use". That's your objectivity there. :p
You must have a hard time reading. Someone else showed how iOS scrolling is smarter than Android, not me.

And for the third time you have failed to come up with a real world application where keeping you finger held down impacts the user experience.

Apparently I need to repeat myself since reading is so beyond you, but when you scroll up and down, your finger constantly is touching the phone and coming off your phone. So this "loading" thing you are bringing up is a non issue because there is never a time where you are continually holding your finger down for seconds and seconds at a time keeping data from showing up. It just doesn't happen in real world situations.


When I press the home button on Iphone, it takes more than one second to go to home after all the transition. Is that lag? Or if I touch an input field, the keyboard takes 1/2 seconds to show. Is that lag? I have to double-click home button twice on iphone to call up recent app which is much longer than single tap on s5/vanilla android. Is that lag on iphone?
These concerns have already been addressed. Your poor reading comprehension is not my problem.


But it is not here yet.
So? How is screen size in any way relevant to the topic of lag? Or are you just trying to avoid the topic because you know you have no ground to stand on?

If you want to talk about it, let me put this topic to rest. iPhone screens are smaller than Android screens right now. I don't like smaller screens, that is why I use a Nexus 5. Think you can understand that?



But that doesnt help in general scrolling. Slow scrolling is a flaw with iOS but you refuse to see. :p
Once again, someone else brought this up. So go talk to him/her.

But from my understanding of the issue, iOS had intelligent dynamic scroll speed, Android doesn't.



Are you sure you know what you are talking here?. frame rate only governs smoothness but not duration. Encode the same movie in 20 or 30 frames. Both versions will finish playing at the same time eventhough you may find the 20 framerate to be not as smooth.
Exactly, now why are you still unable to comprehend simple examples?

Iphone give you more smoothness but sacrifice speed.
Except when you have to wait nearly a full second for Android to even start the animation. That is what you are unable to understand.



It is subjective to you because you don't want to see it as problems. To many, those issues are important than a little more "smoothness" which never affects the overall function but "feeling".
Lag isn't above hindering function.
 

Savor

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One fairly unique trait the Galaxy S5 has is water-resistance + removable battery. Only the Xperia ZR and S4 Active had this trait last year. But the former was an overpriced midranger from Sony. And Samsung's SAMOLED , LG's IPS, and HTC's SLCD tech outclasses Sony's TFT screens. Same in the tv market as I find Samsung and LG to prove more punch than Sony TV's as well. The S4 Active was generally a variant of the Samsung flagship. I think Samsung should market the hell out of the water/dust resistant aspect since Sony doesn't have the clout it once had esp in the US.
 

Max(IT)

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I find the navigation buttons to lag at times as well. Also, sometimes hitting the recents button takes a while to pull up my recent apps, but on my fiances iPhone 5, it is much quicker (although on both devices, once you open up your recent apps, going into it a second time is even quicker). Opening up the camera app also takes a little longer on my Nexus 5.

Going to the home screen from an app ultimately takes about the same time on both devices, but the key difference here is how quick it feels. Here is an example I just shot:

I have the file open in QuickTime right now displaying frame numbers. At frame 22 I hit the Chrome icon, the animation to actually open the app doesn't start until frame 33. Over 1/3rd of a second wasted with the phone doing absolutely nothing. On frame 60 I tap the home button. You can see the home button slightly light up and you can hear the sound before anything happens. The animation starts at frame 85. At 29 fps, that is nearly a full second of the phone sitting there doing nothing. The animation ends at frame 92. And this is with Chrome already being in my recent apps, so the OS isn't loading the app from scratch. Chrome is actually one of the faster apps. Google Maps, Play Music, Camera, YouTube, and Play Store can all take just as long if not longer.

Some might argue that animations feel so slow on iOS. And I agree to some extent. I am not here to debate whether or not iOS animation speed is too slow or too fast. I am showing here that despite Androids animations clearly being quicker, it doesn't feel as fluid because it takes so long for them to even start.

Now this lag isn't constrained to just opening up and closing an app, although that is one of the most common things done on a phone. This lag also happens when pressing buttons inside apps. It also happens when from the lock screen swiping up to get to Google Now. With vibration turned on, I can feel exactly when the OS recognizes what I am trying to do, but there is still lag from when it actually begins the animation to go where I want.

Note, this is using the default launcher on my Nexus 5, but the same thing happens with Nova. In fact, with Nova I often get more lag swiping between home screens. Also, no custom ROM and no gravity box installed either.

As for your comment regarding not using Chrome, I do think part of it is Google's sheer lack of optimization. When I use Boat browser, scrolling speed feels smoother, much smoother than Chrome on Android, but still not as smooth as Chrome on iOS.
For what is counts, I absolutely agree with all you wrote, since it is my same experience.
I'm not speaking about my wife's S4 or my son's S3: they are Samsung s phones so lags and stuttering is a "feature" of touchwiz ...
No, I'm speaking about my Nexus 7 with vanilla 4.4.2 ...

Any Google's apologist is going to call you a liar, but you are right
 

Technarchy

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I made the switch from the iPhone 5S to the Samsung S5. Just some quick observations, and anyone that has ever read my posts related to my time with the S4 knows I will not sugar coat anything. Mind you my iPad Mini Retina, and 2012 Macbook Air aren't going anywhere.

S5 screen is flat out better. Like not even close.

S5 is more stable. No home screen crashes, reboots or random browser shut down. iOS7 took many steps backwards in this regard,

I can leave ten tabs open in 2 browsers and not a single page will reload when switching.

Better DAC for headphones and car music listening, though the S5 does not go as loud, but plenty loud enough.

S5 fingerprint sensor is 50% on a good day. TouchID is 95%, and stores more fingers.

Apps I use are present on both.

The S5 has greater sharing of data between apps. The iPhone data management seems very rudimentary after you've been able to sync and move just about any data between Dropbox, Google drive and SD cards. You don't realize how powerful this is until you start using it.

S5 can download videos and just about anything else from within your browser and in conjunction with the app sharing, this again becomes a powerful tool.

S5 keyboard options are better, faster and more customizable.

IR remote controls my Apple TV and all my other AV devices, simplifying my setup.

S5 has two to three more hours of battery life on average.
 

Lava Lamp Freak

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Do you like the way it feels? That's the main thing holding me back. I went back to the store again today, planning to buy the S5, but I left with nothing. After holding the S5 and S4, I find myself wishing the S5 was in the body of the S4. Neither feel as good to me in my hand as my iPhone 5S with the Apple leather case.
 

Technarchy

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Do you like the way it feels? That's the main thing holding me back. I went back to the store again today, planning to buy the S5, but I left with nothing. After holding the S5 and S4, I find myself wishing the S5 was in the body of the S4. Neither feel as good to me in my hand as my iPhone 5S with the Apple leather case.

My iPhone 5S is sporting the Apple leather case as well.

The S5 feels really nice naked. The back is grippy, and soft, and doesn't show fingerprints. Currently it's wearing a Ringke Slim case which feels really nice.

Does the S5 feel nicer than a 5C, which to me feels like the most premium phone on the market? No. Does it feel cheap? Absolutely not. It's for sure improved over the S4.
 
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