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bogdanw

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Well then you can absolutely trust no one, and for sure not the big VPN ones which are all owned by Kape.
Precisely. Any VPN provider can be a honeypot run by criminals or law enforcement. You are no different from any other.
 

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Precisely. Any VPN provider can be a honeypot run by criminals or law enforcement. You are no different from any other.
True, but I know what I am and what I do, and that is certainly not. If you claim something like that, it’s just a worthless false statement. But in the end it‘s up to the customer what he believes and what not. I am doing this all by myself, as an independent guy, no one else involved, there‘s no big company behind it. I want to provide a good product/service, that‘s all.
 
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If you claim something like that, it’s just a worthless false statement.
I said “can be”, not “you are”.
The point was your “from Switzerland” is worthless.
But you are clearly targeting uninformed customers that are easily impressed by the “Swizz” brand and I wish you good luck. There are plenty.
 

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I said “can be”, not “you are”.
The point was your “from Switzerland” is worthless.
But you are clearly targeting uninformed customers that are easily impressed by the “Swizz” brand and I wish you good luck. There are plenty.
A VPN service running outside the 14 eyes countries, what Switzerland is, is not a worthless statement. Then Marketing is always needed to grow. I don‘t make any false statements in my description.
 
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From your link:
„If you read a lot of VPN reviews you may have noticed that when a VPN provider is located is in a “Five Eyes” country (US, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand) it’s usually considered a “con”. This is parroted by people online as if it’s the word of god.“
-> It‘s usually considered a con. So for people looking after that, I have this point outlined in my description. Nothing more, nothing less…

Swizz is just the brand, a name. Switzerland may also stand for quality, it has nothing to do with anything else. You are the one making up things here.
 
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bogdanw

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Swizz is just the brand, a name. Switzerland may also stand for quality, it has nothing to do with anything else. You are the one making up things here.
I’m not making anything up and, again, I sincerely wish you good luck.
But if you want to impress more than kids, you can start by considering to respond on your website or here to TorrentFreak’s 12 questions https://torrentfreak.com/best-vpn-anonymous-no-logging/
 

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I’m not making anything up and, again, I sincerely wish you good luck.
But if you want to impress more than kids, you can start by considering to respond on your website or here to TorrentFreak’s 12 questions https://torrentfreak.com/best-vpn-anonymous-no-logging/
Thank you for that, will look into it and answer them. I already see from the questions that for sure 1 point to improve are my rented servers from different providers. But that‘s a matter of time/profit, till I can afford my own dedicated servers.
 
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I’m on my phone right now but I always understood that having servers or a company based in Switzerland has always been a plus due to the country’s privacy laws being better than most.

And yeah anyone, even a developer for a major company could be malicious.

One thing I know is - Apple does review the code when you submit apps to the App Store. When I worked for a company - we had our app code scrutinized down to individual methods and how we dealt with secure api calls to servers.

For me - a third party audit for a vpn company gives me a lot of warm and fuzzies. But SwizzVPN is new and small. I would not expect that till they get larger or more profitable because I imagine that’s very expensive.

I went on a 3 day trip this last week. SwizzVPN did great - encrypting my traffic on my Mac and phone when I was on hotel WiFi in Sacramento.

Lifetime has always been a farce but for small independent devs like this app - it’s a way to help them get off the ground. I love being part of that. I usually opt for the annual / monthly later on, or if I end up using it heavily (but I’m a very light user atm).

Just my .02.
 
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I really like how I don’t have to keep logging into SwizzVPN with an account every time I use it (like I do with Nord). Just open - connect - done. Lol (I’m a light user and use vpn once or twice every few months).
 
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I said “can be”, not “you are”.
The point was your “from Switzerland” is worthless.
But you are clearly targeting uninformed customers that are easily impressed by the “Swizz” brand and I wish you good luck. There are plenty.
I don't know if I'd go this far... obviously you're entitled to your opinion and I get your point.

I see a small dev that reached out to a thread on Macrumors (not FaceBook or whatever) - and asked for input, actually taking the advice and implemented the comments - and is actively trying to resolve some of the user's issues (streaming). I like being a small part of that experience for a new company/app/service.

Isn't Proton Mail one of at least a handful of companies that tries to capitalize on their Swiss company? <shrug>.
 
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@BigMcGuire: Thanks for your support! Nice to hear it worked good on your trip. As for auditing, you‘re right that it‘s pretty expensive and I never could afford that now. Then my whole service is still being actively developed, so it‘s too early. But I‘ll for sure consider it in the future, as well as making my apps Open Source and put them on Github.

And yeah, Proton is also hugely using Swiss as a reason. From it's homepage:
Your privacy is ensured by strong encryption, open-source code, and Swiss privacy laws.

and when scrolling down:

Swiss privacy​

Proton is based in Switzerland. This means all user data is protected by strict Swiss privacy laws. We are a neutral and safe haven for your personal data, committed to defending your freedom.
 
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bogdanw

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Please stop this Switzerland nonsense.
You are taking payments through the App Store. An authoritarian country doesn't need to ask you or
Switzerland to identify the users of the app from that country. It can just ask Apple and it will get them.
https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/
Servers outside Switzerland can be seized, and, given that you don’t own them, you might not even know when that happens.
To recap, “from Switzerland”
- can not guarantee that a VPN provider is not run by criminals or law enforcement agencies;
- can not protect the data of App Store customers from other countries;
- can not protect servers outside Switzerland;
Best regards,
Bogdan
 

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New version 3.4.7 is up, just some minor improvements and revised help & faq section.
 
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Please stop this Switzerland nonsense.
You are taking payments through the App Store. An authoritarian country doesn't need to ask you or
Switzerland to identify the users of the app from that country. It can just ask Apple and it will get them.
https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/
Servers outside Switzerland can be seized, and, given that you don’t own them, you might not even know when that happens.
To recap, “from Switzerland”
- can not guarantee that a VPN provider is not run by criminals or law enforcement agencies;
- can not protect the data of App Store customers from other countries;
- can not protect servers outside Switzerland;
Best regards,
Bogdan
While I understand your point and do agree to a certain extent (we cannot be 100% certain about anything), again I'd refer to back to my personal experience when I was on an app team where we did an app on the App Store that involved connecting to a server and passing data to that server. Apple would not let us publish our app on the App Store without showing them the connection to that API server - actually connecting to it and showing them what that server did with a test connection just for them. It was amazingly thorough and it resulted in our app being significantly delayed.

Do they do this with every app? Maybe not, but they did with ours.

Also, if I was from XYZ country, I'd capitalize on that. 🤷‍♂️

So what if a server is taken over by another country? No logging is done - according to the TOS linked by the app dev above (you read that right?) (below linked from https://www.swizzvpn.ch/tos.html):

  • Q1: Do you keep (or share with third parties) ANY data that would allow you to match an IP-address and a timestamp to a current or former user of your service? If so, exactly what information do you hold/share and for how long?
  • A1: SwizzVPN doesn't keep or share any data with third parties that allow to match an IP-address/timestamp to a user. Logging is completely disabled on the servers.
Personally I'd love to see a 3rd party review but I can imagine those are extremely expensive and it's still "hearsay" unless you're checking it yourself lol.
 
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As suggested by an user, I'm thinking about making some layout changes, for easier reachment of location on mobile devices. What do you think?
 

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Just got a review from a person, who said they find the name and icon too dark/extreme, they want a more family friendly design and name. What do you think about it? I think they somehow are right.
 

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Just got a review from a person, who said they find the name and icon too dark/extreme, they want a more family friendly design and name. What do you think about it? I think they somehow are right.
As I stated earlier in the thread, when you asked for opinions on the icon, I thought the icon was too dark and I preferred your original light icon. The name is OK for me though. 😊
 
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BigMcGuire

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I guess people like bright, happy, positive flowery, energetic?

I use dark mode all the time on my Mac and my iPhone. I like icons that take advantage of dark mode and look good on a dark background. But my guess is the VAST majority of people out there aren't doing this and prefer the opposite.

Just using Nord VPN as an example because I have a multi-year subscription to it... the icon is kinda dark, works well on a black background but the homepage is bright, happy, and very white. lol.
 

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As I stated earlier in the thread, when you asked for opinions on the icon, I thought the icon was too dark and I preferred your original light icon. The name is OK for me though. 😊
Yes that's right. 😅 What do you think about something like that:
 

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There is nothing wrong with the current icon. You shouldn't let one reviewer trigger you so easily. Speaking of the user, if complaining about the icon is a focal point compared to how the app works, that should tell you the issue is really with the reviewer.
 

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There is nothing wrong with the current icon. You shouldn't let one reviewer trigger you so easily. Speaking of the user, if complaining about the icon is a focal point compared to how the app works, that should tell you the issue is really with the reviewer.
Yeah you're right. But I also thought about this topic a lot, since I need/want to attract a lot of users I may need to give in. Unfortunately it's how it seems to work, bling bling and nice happy stuff attracts the most. And if I search for VPN in App Store, one of the first that comes up which isn't from a big company has a unicorn as icon lol.

EDIT: If it wouldn't be that hard to manage I'd put a second VPN app up, same code, just other name/icon/design, because I like the way the app is right now (BTW I'm gonna revert the design layout changes, I don't like them)
 
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