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skyTV is a UK based service that no longer allows viewing when outside of the uk following our departure from the EU. I understand that it might have issues when used with a VPN while abroad but while in the UK, and with the VPN set to UK, it should work no?
Some streaming sites detect that a VPN is being used and then block the stream. And I don't know yet how they did. Probably detecting some IP ranges.

@ All: I pushed a new update to iOS and Mac including new subscription options. Can you tell me if you encounter any problems when updating? Like not connecting/reconnecting or losing Premium status etc.

Oh and would you mind displaying ads without Premium?
 
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Some streaming sites detect that a VPN is being used and then block the stream. And I don't know yet how they did. Probably detecting some IP ranges.

@ All: I pushed a new update to iOS and Mac including new subscription options. Can you tell me if you encounter any problems when updating? Like not connecting/reconnecting or losing Premium status etc.

Oh and would you mind displaying ads without Premium?
I've noticed that for my use cases a lot of public broadcasters from e.g. Scandinavia, Belgium instantly noticed that I used a VPN (although the majority doesn't say it with those words but give errors displaying all content) even though I in some cases also created an account with a local address and it might be that it verifies regional IPs of a city vs VPN IP or blocks certain VPN IPs in general. It is a real shame since I would love to see some great content from public broadcasters from around Europe and the world that have top notch content and quite often have English subtitles.

I still hope the EU one day will open this up more that prevent seeing content from another EU country.

I would e.g. also love to pay/subscribe to the BBC/ITV app they created in UK (and US) but which isn't available elsewhere officially.
 
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With my M2 MBP, after waking from sleep the VPN won’t auto reconnect and I have to restart in order to get an internet connection again. Toggling VPN, Wi-Fi won’t restore connection.

edit: and after updating the app just now I have lost my lifetime / premium status. using Restore just gives a spinning wheel...
 
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With my M2 MBP, after waking from sleep the VPN won’t auto reconnect and I have to restart in order to get an internet connection again. Toggling VPN, Wi-Fi won’t restore connection.

edit: and after updating the app just now I have lost my lifetime / premium status. using Restore just gives a spinning wheel...
I can confirm the standby bug. I will look into it. Did you also buy the lifetime unlock for Mac version, or just the iOS version? In the first version of the Mac App I accidentally had the iOS lifetime unlock, which I separated then between the two versions (otherwise it wouldn't be sustainable). Otherwise quitting and reopening the app, then hitting on Restore Purchases should work.
 

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The Mac app is having the same trouble the phone app had to begin with, in regards to disconnecting when idle and not being able to reconnect. The app is never able to reconnect on its own and gets stuck in the loop of trying.
 

djalix69

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I can confirm the standby bug. I will look into it. Did you also buy the lifetime unlock for Mac version, or just the iOS version? In the first version of the Mac App I accidentally had the iOS lifetime unlock, which I separated then between the two versions (otherwise it wouldn't be sustainable). Otherwise quitting and reopening the app, then hitting on Restore Purchases should work.
So the product has changed after I paid for it? When I purchased it was, as you say, for iOS and macOS but now I cannot use the macOS part of what I paid for!
 

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So the product has changed after I paid for it? When I purchased it was, as you say, for iOS and macOS but now I cannot use the macOS part of what I paid for!
Yes, it was an error in that version, which was online for 2 days. I'm really sorry about the inconveniences, but unfortunately I can't do anything about it. If you're unhappy with the still low price, you can always get a refund from Apple through the "report a problem"-link, which should work.

New update with standby and reconnect bug fixed is coming.
 

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Yes, it was an error in that version, which was online for 2 days. I'm really sorry about the inconveniences, but unfortunately I can't do anything about it. If you're unhappy with the still low price, you can always get a refund from Apple through the "report a problem"-link, which should work.

New update with standby and reconnect bug fixed is coming.
Yup, very unhappy as 1) seems the product is in beta and 2) you have removed something which was part of my reason for purchasing.

Wish I could remove things which my customers have already paid for and then ask for additional payments if they would like them back…. Actually I could do that, but I DON’T as it’s not how you do business or indeed treat people.
 

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Yup, very unhappy as 1) seems the product is in beta and 2) you have removed something which was part of my reason for purchasing.

Wish I could remove things which my customers have already paid for and then ask for additional payments if they would like them back…. Actually I could do that, but I DON’T as it’s not how you do business or indeed treat people.
Yes I had the same problem. My Mac premium version stopped working after I had paid for it. I was told to request a refund from Apple and then re-purchase at the higher price and then request a refund of the difference from @pvalerio .
I too am not very happy.
 

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I am open for solutions as I want to offer a good service and support. Like I said it was an error in the absolutely first version of the Mac version, an error which shouldn't happen, but it did. Unfortunately Apple doesn't allow me to gift an In-App purchase. I looked into it, but all it allows is to offer a coupon code which is valid for 1 month. Please tell me how I can make you happy.
 

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I am open for solutions as I want to offer a good service and support. Like I said it was an error in the absolutely first version of the Mac version, an error which shouldn't happen, but it did. Unfortunately Apple doesn't allow me to gift an In-App purchase. I looked into it, but all it allows is to offer a coupon code which is valid for 1 month. Please tell me how I can make you happy.
I purchased, in good faith, a VPN service with lifetime access for both iOS and macOS. What I have received seems to be different. Bugs happen, I get that, but supply me with what I have paid for or refund me…. Simple.
 
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Like I said before, payment goes directly through Apple and is out of my control. If you want a refund, just hit the "report a problem"-link in the receipt. It's maybe 3 to 4 clicks, easy as that.

BTW: New Mac version is online.
 

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Like I said before, payment goes directly through Apple and is out of my control. If you want a refund, just hit the "report a problem"-link in the receipt. It's maybe 3 to 4 clicks, easy as that.

BTW: New Mac version is online.
Yup, I did this first thing this morning
 

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Wow. I think this is why I never bothered to develop an app myself (I paid the Apple Developer fee for a few years and played around in the playground). Support is costly and users quickly turn on you. Can't imagine expecting an iPhone AND Mac OS app lifelong for $8. @pvalerio good luck. It's a harsh world out there.

Weird that Apple doesn't allow free coupons >1 month. I guess a standard is better than letting every which app do whatever it wants.


Support Observations (Mac OS app only):
Hope this helps - some of the behavior I've noticed in the Mac OS app (does not happen on iOS). If I fresh start the app, it'll usually connect to XYZ server no problem. If I disconnect and try to connect to different XYZ server, it just sits at "Connecting..." non stop. I usually have to Disconnect, then kill the app, then try to connect to XYZ server and then it's successful.
Command+Q'ing the app while it is attempting a connection results in no internet connection until I start back up the app and hit "Disconnect" (something that might affect users and probably nothing you can do about as it's a Mac OS issue).

Command+Q'ing / swiping upp to close the app fixed the spinning Restore Purchases issue for me on both my iPhone and my Mac OS apps after the pricing standard implementation.


A question if I might (no worries if you prefer not to answer - trade secrets): I actually got curious about VPNs and watched a few videos to learn how to set up my own VPN servers (I have no intention of actually doing this, just curious). I'm assuming you pay for Unlimited bandwidth on these servers? So using data doesn't hurt you?


So I'm good and happy with what I've got. I am going to be an extremely light user because I just need a VPN a few times a year. I know I'm probably not a normal user. I like my $ to go support the company of my choosing and while yes, I like to get a service in return, I don't expect an unreasonable arrangement - I want both parties to benefit and flourish, otherwise, what's the point of a lifetime purchase? lol.

Hope everyone has a great weekend.
 

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I am open for solutions as I want to offer a good service and support. Like I said it was an error in the absolutely first version of the Mac version, an error which shouldn't happen, but it did. Unfortunately Apple doesn't allow me to gift an In-App purchase. I looked into it, but all it allows is to offer a coupon code which is valid for 1 month. Please tell me how I can make you happy.
You should have grandfathered in the early buyers before you took away the combined IOS and MacOS lifetime that your app did early on. That would have been the right thing to do. Other developers have done the same kind of thing.
 
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@BigMcGuire Thanks for your support. Yeah it's sad, but I knew it will happen, I'm trying to not bother too much. Having a father like that also didn't help much ;). I'm doing my best and if one doesn't understand, I can't do anything about it. I try to remind myself that most people actually have no clue what goes on behind the scenes.

About the Mac App, I hope that exactly these problems you mention I have fixed in the today's update version 2.9.7. I couldn't reproduce it myself, so maybe it does the trick. But I'm also at a limit here, the iPad to Mac conversion thing in Xcode (called Mac Catalyst) isn't as good as I thought.

About the servers: On the 3 free ones I have unlimited traffic, the others don't. So I have to monitor them.

@Apple_Robert: Yeah but how, if Apple doesn't allow me to gift the In-App Purchase? Should I PayPal them? Through my code it also isn't possible to distinguish.

About the Premium issue, are you also one of them who bought the combined lifetime unlock one?
 
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You should have grandfathered in the early buyers before you took away the combined IOS and MacOS lifetime that your app did early on. That would have been the right thing to do. Other developers have done the same kind of thing.
I'm a programmer (Windows mostly) but I've never done more than just do a simple iOS app / Mac OS app (never put anything on the App Store) - but you'd think Xcode or the App Store would enforce the paid option and grandfather the old ones in by default so the developer wouldn't have to deal with it. <shrug>.

I think I see what you're saying - for example, I am a Diarly subscriber. When I subscribed a long time ago they offered $15/year. Now it's $20 a year but because I subscribed at 15/year - I have that option to continue at $15/year or do the $20/year but new users don't see that, only old users.

In the case of this app - the Mac OS app happened after the fact so I can see how the dev was intending to make it its own pricing structure. If there was a way I'd probably have tried to do the Dairly thing.
 
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djalix69

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Thanks for your support. Yeah it's sad, but I knew it will happen, I'm trying to not bother too much. Having a father like that also didn't help much ;). I'm doing my best and if one doesn't understand, I can't do anything about it. I try to remind myself that most people actually have no clue what goes on behind the scenes.

Confused, what are you trying to say here?

You saw a gap in the market and came up with an app. You packaged it, you priced it, published it and sold it, great! However soon after you realised that your pricing was not sustainable and in a bid to generate more income you split the package in to iOS and macOS apps and revised your pricing. Fair enough, totally understand this and you should have done this from the start…but fact is you didn’t. You offered a cross platform product which together with the original pricing was the main attraction for both myself and others. You then rolled out your revisions for new sales moving forwards however you also saw fit to retrospectively apply these to existing customers, effectively removing part of what we paid for… and You are trying to “not bother too much”? sorry, that’s just wrong.

As a “business” you should be very very “bothered about it” and you should also not making any assumptions about your customers as some of us understand more than you think we do.
 
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Confused, what are you trying to say here?

You saw a gap in the market and came up with an app. You packaged it, you priced it, published it and sold it, great! However soon after you realised that your pricing was not sustainable and in a bid to generate more income you split the package in to iOS and macOS apps and revised your pricing. Fair enough, totally understand this and you should have done this from the start…but fact is you didn’t. You offered a cross platform product which together with the original pricing was the main attraction for both myself and others. You then rolled out your revisions for new sales moving forwards however you also saw fit to retrospectively apply these to existing customers, effectively removing part of what we paid for… and You are trying to “not bother too much”? sorry, that’s just wrong.

As a “business” you should be very very “bothered about it” and you should also not making any assumptions about your customers as some of us understand more than you think we do.
No. I started with an iOS-only app about 2 months ago priced low. I altered the price. All who had bought the old price have retained the unlock, as it should be. Then I published the first Mac version, this was 5 days ago (5th of March). There I made a mistake and linked it to the same Lifetime unlock as the iOS version, which I soon realised was not sustainable. So I introduced the Mac-only Lifetime unlock and updated the App 3 days later (8th of March). So those who bought the Mac app between 5th and 7th of March have this problem, which I can't fix. But the solution is easy, support my altered price model (which is still WAY cheaper than the competition), or get a refund and try another app. **** happened and I sure learned from it, but it is now as it is. Actually I don't understand why making such a hassle. I'm I the only VPN provider? No, there are over 1000 other ones in the App Store. Just get one of them if you don't like what you have here.
 

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No. I started with an iOS-only app about 2 months ago priced low. I altered the price. All who had bought the old price have retained the unlock, as it should be. Then I published the first Mac version, this was 5 days ago (5th of March). There I made a mistake and linked it to the same Lifetime unlock as the iOS version, which I soon realised was not sustainable. So I introduced the Mac-only Lifetime unlock and updated the App 3 days later (8th of March). So those who bought the Mac app between 5th and 7th of March have this problem, which I can't fix. But the solution is easy, support my altered price model (which is still WAY cheaper than the competition), or get a refund and try another app. **** happened and I sure learned from it, but it is now as it is. Actually I don't understand why making such a hassle. I'm I the only VPN provider? No, there are over 1000 other ones in the App Store. Just get one of them if you don't like what you have here.
Figured the unlock was retained - because I never had the problem and I was always showed as premium throughout all the versions. (I bought mine before the 5th - and of course upgraded to the Mac OS pricing when it was offered). Thank you for that introductory period offer while you did. :D

Interesting. I don't quite understand the hostility here either but... whatever. To each their own.

It's Friday. At least here. And I plan on having a pizza tonight. Hope you have fun.
 

djalix69

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No. I started with an iOS-only app about 2 months ago priced low. I altered the price. All who had bought the old price have retained the unlock, as it should be. Then I published the first Mac version, this was 5 days ago (5th of March). There I made a mistake and linked it to the same Lifetime unlock as the iOS version, which I soon realised was not sustainable. So I introduced the Mac-only Lifetime unlock and updated the App 3 days later (8th of March). So those who bought the Mac app between 5th and 7th of March have this problem, which I can't fix. But the solution is easy, support my altered price model (which is still WAY cheaper than the competition), or get a refund and try another app. **** happened and I sure learned from it, but it is now as it is. Actually I don't understand why making such a hassle. I'm I the only VPN provider? No, there are over 1000 other ones in the App Store. Just get one of them if you don't like what you have here.
I think you are missing the point here. You offered a product, took mine and others money and then changed the product when you realised “you made a mistake”. How is that my or any other customers fault? It’s not, so why should we be treated in the way and need to pay more for what we originally had?

Starting and running a business / developing a product is a journey and a massively steep learning curve… and just when you think you have it figured out something new will pop up for you to deal with and in most cases fight with. You made a mistake so write off the loss, learn from it and put it behind you, it’s business nature. Making mistakes is actually part of business but what’s really important is the way you deal with said mistakes and “put things right”, and don’t upset your customer base as 1) if they are happy they will buy from you again and again and 2) if you do upset them they will take their money elsewhere, not deal with you in future and leave you a bad review on the App Store.
 
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@djalix69: Thanks for your insights, but yeah, seems I still miss the point. Where did I say it was customers fault? Where did I upset you? Where did I treat you bad? I clearly came up with a statement, an explanation of why the problem happened, trying to find a solution which unfortunately doesn't exist and how to refund. This was my first response to you and @berno and I repeated it several times explaining it further. This is exactly what you're writing/asking for in your post. I don't know what you expect from me further? Is it because I can't refund it directly to you? Well, it's the App Store, there's Apple in the way, I just don't have the possibility for that... It's not like buying from my own shop where I have control over payment, it goes directly through Apple (who then also take their 30% of it). Otherwise I clearly don't understand the problem.

@BigMcGuire: Enjoy your pizza then! I went with a sandwich :)
 
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