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Seems like an ok phone. Not a bad price, gmail push is nice, and of course copy/paste. No exchange is bad and we'll see how the android market goes. Does this phone have MMS?

I don't see why removable battery is listed as a big feature, IMO that is hardly a must have feature. I've owned 8 different cell phones and the only one I ever got a new battery for was my Nokia 5190 and that was just because I wanted a battery with vibrate.
 
its not quite as open a phone as google claimed it would be - its locked to tmobile - i can't use it on any other network. it has a Propriety headphone jack. you MUST have a gmail account to make it work. no exchage support. limited memory (they say 8gig is the max).
 
Regarding the "competition is good" mantra, I think this bears repeating:

Competitive pressures are not the engine of Apple's quality.

Well, that's your OPINION, but the fact is that consumer 'whining' as it were clearly does affect Apple's decisions, especially when it's loud and widespread. Consumers got Apple Store credits when they dropped their iPhone price so soon after launch. Various features people have complained loudly about in both the Mac and iPhone markets have magically appeared shortly after certain news sites have made stinks about it (keyboard bug on laptops, crashes on iPhone, backup times on iPhone, etc.) Certain security risks and bugs get addressed rather suddenly after a stink is raised. Apple may not acknowledge its shortcomings or its imperfections, but it certainly does hear the noise of the crowd when it gets loud enough and that is all the better for its products. Frankly, I think it's pretty naive to believe Apple would strive to fix bugs and correct defects in a timely manner if competitive pressures did not exist. Apple does not want to lose customers, especially given it has far less customers to begin with than say Microsoft so it has less it can afford to lose. Thus, I would say it's correct to assume that Google's products will be a kick in the pants for Apple to try harder and not soon enough.

The replaceable battery issue alone might be enough for some to go Google instead. It's pretty obvious that Apple doesn't want it consumer replaceable because they make a steady profit charging $80 to replace a $20 battery. Frankly, Apple has many practices of trying to squeeze more money out of a consumer by withholding features until MUCH MUCH higher price levels (e.g. expandable hardware and replaceable GPU only at the $2300+ level, when $400 PCs normally all have that capability). It would do good to force Apple back down to Earth on these kinds of issues. I'm afraid that losing sales is the only language companies like Apple understand when it comes to addressing such issues.

A good example is AppleTV. It wasn't selling very well at all and consumers were demanding more functionality and things like movie rentals and voila, Steve admitted that's what consumers were asking for and so AppleTV 2.0 suddenly had HD movie rentals. If consumers demanded loudly enough for a web browser for AppleTV, I think you'd suddenly find SafariTV in 3.0. If consumers don't demand it, Apple isn't likely to provide it.

Eh?

Why would Apple sue T-Mobile?
Why would Nintendo sue Apple?

Really, please, tell me...:)

I believe the person I was replying to suggested Apple might sue them for using an accelerometer in their phone. I was simply saying the US Patent system is goofy enough to allow people to patent 'ideas' even if they're not inventions yet and even if there is no technical data provided. Take a look at some patents some time, even Apple's. So even though accelerometers have been around for ages and while I don't think it's likely, it wouldn't shock me either if Apple tried to claim a patent 'use' of one in their products that makes it 'unique'. Look at some of their recent patents and you can plainly see ideas of combining technologies together. They already exist, but they want to patent how they connect them together. Personally, I think that's ridiculous to allow that sort of thing but then Apple themselves got sued and agreed to license thereafter a patent regarding visual voice mail. I think it's ridiculous from both ends. Just because you think of something, that doesn't mean you can implement it or that someone else can't implement it another way. Imagine if someone patented a computer laptop in the early '80s. They'd be richer than Bill Gates by now. Yes, I imagine connecting a monitor to a keyboard and a battery and then no one else can do it without paying me. Ridiculous. That's a far cry from inventing a SPECIFIC process to convert solar energy into electricity, for example. And even then, it had better WORK before a patent is granted, in my opinion, but it doesn't seem to work that way, which is why I say it's ridiculous and someone might as well patent a warp drive.
 
its not quite as open a phone as google claimed it would be - its locked to tmobile - i can't use it on any other network. it has a Propriety headphone jack. you MUST have a gmail account to make it work. no exchage support. limited memory (they say 8gig is the max).

I think you misunderstand - Android is open for any network, it's the phone that is locked to T-Mobile. I believe that software developers can develop for Android and as other hardware devices come out, they will be able to use the same applications. There will be more phones using the Android platform, and once that is the case, you can get the Android platform on any carrier...though the devices may differ. Remember that Google cannot really promise what handset manufacturers will produce...only the interoperability of the platform (provided that they adopt it, which of course most all will)
 
While the OS looks pretty good, they made some big mistakes with this device. If they really wanted to compete with the iPhone, why didnt they fix all the things apple did wrong?

Good:
Gmail integration/wireless syncing
Copy/paste
(more) open platform
Amazon MP3 Store (DRM suck, otherwise iTunes is better)

Bad:
No headphone jack (wtf were they thinking?)
Locked (although I am sure it will be hacked)
No bluetooth audio
No video recording
Crappy browser
 
So, explain to me this. What if you had to text someone your friend's address and you didn't know it from the top of your head? Don't you think it's a little annoying to have to go to your contacts, then either write the address down or attempt to memorize it, go back to SMS then type it all out again?

That's just ONE example.

Also, people bring up data detectors. Sorry, but Apple CANNOT build data detectors for everything. Additionally, much of what data detectors does ONLY GOES ONE WAY. Other apps CANNOT (at this moment) data detectors. Which is WHY data detectors are not a legitimate argument against copy and paste.

Most of you who don't "care about" copy and paste, aren't seeing the big picture. If you use the argument that the iPhone is essentially a mini computer, then this should give you the reasoning why copy and paste is necessary. You may not find it necessary RIGHT NOW, but down the line it is 100% essential. I want to be able to copy information from one app to another. Right now, this is not possible with the Jesus Phone. It's absolutely crazy on why it isn't possible.

That's also what drives some of us crazy about the iPhone. It's designed and marketed as an all-in-one mini-computer, but it doesn't have an ability to create or edit documents, spreadsheets, or presentations, nor does it have the complete ability to email said files when they are stored on your phone (via a 3rd party files system, I might add).

While the push and Exchange email functions help to get this into a business user's hands, it isn't the ideal phone for some of us who need these functions instead of carrying around a laptop. This is why I'm considering buying another Treo 750 with WM instead of the 3G iPhone, as much as I would rather get the 3G.

And as nice as a 3rd party app for Documents To Go would be, its really old technology. Why can't Apple and MS come to an agreement to let people buy Word, Excel, PowerPoint for the iPhone, or make iWork available for the iPhone, with the ability to convert to PDF? Until that day comes, the iPhone will never be a fixture in the business world with the marketshare that Jobs desires.
 
I'd love an "abort" button when sending SMS. Happened twice already that an SMS to my loved one went to someone else because the receipient name is only really apparent when the message is on it's way. And there's no way to abort, can't even turn the phone off quickly enough.

I know it sounds dumb, but I usually I go into SMS, then there's already a conversation open, I start typing adn tap "send". Does anyone know a solution to this?

I hear that! A couple of times I've hit send by accident then just "nooooooooooo" in that slow motion voice while the progress bar plods across the screen.
 
I triple agree -- and it's all thanks to Apple design. For example:

1. Need to email a Web page? You can do so from Safari. No need to copy and paste the URL.

2. Need to dial a number? Just tap it and the Phone application dials it. No need to copy and paste it into the Phone application.

I don't think Apple gets enough credit for some of this clever design.

I completely disagree.

Just the other day, I got an email with a UPS tracking number, but it wasn't a link...just the number. So what did I do? I waited till I got home to check the tracking number.

If I had copy/paste, I couldve have looked it up right where I was.
 
I think you misunderstand - Android is open for any network, it's the phone that is locked to T-Mobile. I believe that software developers can develop for Android and as other hardware devices come out, they will be able to use the same applications. There will be more phones using the Android platform, and once that is the case, you can get the Android platform on any carrier...though the devices may differ. Remember that Google cannot really promise what handset manufacturers will produce...only the interoperability of the platform (provided that they adopt it, which of course most all will)

No, I think you misunderstand. Android was hailed as the epitome of open for all the foss geeks. This phone shows that Android is anything but open. It was locked down. Do you think any of the other phones will be any different?
 
Android has a few things I want to see in the iPhone:

1. The top bar which can scroll down at any time in any app to reveal current info such as new sms, email, event etc. This would be useful in the iphone, currently you have to exit out of an app to read sms' etc. which is not ideal.

2. The main screen showing whatever widget you want, with a quick swipe from the bottom to reveal your apps. This is quite clean and the iPhone would benefit from it, so you can see main info such as event and sms notification on the main screen.

3. Copy/paste. Enough said.

4. Street view with Compass mode, this would be an awesome addition to the iPhone maps app.

These are the exact four things that caught my eye (although C&P is really not a big deal for me, just nice to have). Oh wait, the 3.1 megapixel camera was nice too. Everything else was "eh," or the iPhone did better.

I predict the iPhone will get a better way of organizing homescreens soon -- I can't see Apple sticking with the same layout forever. With the more apps you have, the harder it is to navigate. I'll bet money that Apple gives us more organizing options in a future update. The "street view" with maps is the only thing I'm really jealous about. I love this feature, and hope Google allows Apple to do something similar -- but doubt they will.

The Android Market is going to be a disaster, no question about it....
 
While it may be slightly narrower than the iPhone, it looked kind of thick. I've not dug up dimensions on both, so feel free to flame me :)

I thought hard keyboards were a thing of the past. Seems like a step backwards to me... I've hated the ones I've had in the past. I'm converted on the soft keyboard of the iPhone.

It's cool, but not enough to make me jealous. For a first gen, I think they have a good start. However, I believe Apple oftentimes releases features "when needed" and they usually have a lot in the pipeline just waiting for the right time.

I don't think the iPhone is perfect, but I do think the introduction of the iPhone really had a "wow" factor. Android... not so much. Sort of, "yeah, been there, seen that...next". I think Apple does a better job at keeping things under wraps and generally (no need to start siting contrary evidence) unveils products that are not "beta"-esque, but rather near completion. The G1 felt very "proto-typical".
 
this is from the bbc website .....


The first device to run the search giant's operating system will feature a touch screen as well as a Qwerty keyboard.
It will be available for free on T-Mobile tariffs of over £40 a month and includes unlimited net browsing.
Other features include a three megapixel camera, a 'one click' contextual search and a browser that users can zoom in on by tapping the screen.
why isnt the camera mentioned in the artical


still have to agree this is more for the iphone area of the site but hey ho
 
Crap. I was reading along and thinking "hey this looks kinda cool - I might want to get one". I'm on T-Mobile, and am overdue for a new phone. But then... no headphone jack, just a proprietary dongle? What's with that? If they've been that stupid in that regard, there are very likely other dumb design decisions HTC has made. No, thanks.

I've got an iPod Touch, and like it a lot. I'd love to have an iPhone, but I just don't use the "phone" all that much - it just doesn't make sense to pay the absurd monthly fee associated with the plan(s) AT&T requires. Guess I'm still stuck with two devices for the forseeable future...
 
What I find interesting is what happens to the stability of the platform when a developer has to develop for multiple devices?

One game developer who's name escapes me (apparently one of the more popular iPhone game devs) says he has no interest in developing for the Android, due to its eventual hardware diversity. 6 months programming, 6 months debugging various devices.

Gotsta find the link, just read that yesterday......

Also, the lack of approval process is a double-edged sword. Sure it's benefits are obvious; no dictator-like final approval. But what happens when the "crap" starts trickling into the Store?

With the current app store approval process only the crap trickles in while useful apps like netshare and podcaster don't make it.
 
The megapixel myth.

And yes, some good apps don't meet Apple's arbitrary approval (unfortunately). That is a far way away from no good apps meeting that approval. At the same time Apple doesn't approve some pretty horrid apps. I wonder what that ratio is.
 
I completely disagree.

Just the other day, I got an email with a UPS tracking number, but it wasn't a link...just the number. So what did I do? I waited till I got home to check the tracking number.

If I had copy/paste, I couldve have looked it up right where I was.

I've had similar cases which were really awkward, such as being emailed my username & password for a website. Too awkward to memorise a long random string of letters and numbers before switching to the browser, so I just left it until I got home.

Not good.
 
Here's what you don't get. Until Apple does this, I will continue to buy my songs from Amazon, and *not* iTunes.

The DRM problem is Apple's, not mine.

Here is what you don't get. The labels are NOT letting Apple sell DRM free music. It is Apple's problem but the music will never be DRM free until the label's agree to it. You might as well keep buying from Amazon since the label's want Amazon to take business away from Apple and I can't see things changing.
 
G1 very nice... but definitely a work in progress

I think the phone definitley needs work. I am excited to see what the next phone will be like because I don't like the memory card thing although it is not that big of deal. I also don't like that there isn't a headphone jack and there are a few other features it lacks. I am very eager to get rid of my iphone due to its lack of basic function but the G1 still is missing some things I would love to have in a phone.

P.S. a dream come true would be if apple added every feature of the g1 that the iphone doesn't have. "Copy/Paste, MMS, Street view, an actual backround for the desktop itself, allowing it view microsoft documents and PDF, all the bluetooth capabilities the iPhone lacks, and the 3.1 megapixel camera"... wow I do love all those features.. I don't know I will definitely have to play with a G1 when they come out.

::NOTE:: Oh and maybe the G1's chrome browser will not crash all the time like iPhone's Safari.
 
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