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Ten cores!
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I think you are right. I know at first glance I mis understood it. Some have done a great job explaining it here.
A lot of interest in the ten cores from HTC, Sony, LG and others: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...-interested-in-MediaTeks-10-core-chip_id69335
Funny how you guys all want more cores in your mobile device, but your desktop/laptop probably is only 2/4 cores. Having more cores doesn't do jack ish, it's only useful for multitasking and video encoding/decoding
And yet an 8 core Samsung phone doesn't come anywhere close to the power of my dual core laptop
This ranks pretty high on the nonsensical scale.
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LOL...different processor architecture you do know the difference right? Or was just a dig at Samsung?. But give it time...most of the dev and RD is in the mobile space....... the mobile space will eclipse the desktop in the near future.And yet an 8 core Samsung phone doesn't come anywhere close to the power of my dual core laptop
And yet your dual core laptop isn't even half as tasty as a peanut butter & jelly sandwich.And yet an 8 core Samsung phone doesn't come anywhere close to the power of my dual core laptop
- if we must insist on being asinine.
And yet an 8 core Samsung phone doesn't come anywhere close to the power of my dual core laptop
Actually, the eight core phone is as powerful as your dual core laptop in terms of processor. It's just everything else.
My Desktop PC is pretty old. It has a triple core processor in it with I think 3 GB of RAM running Windows Vista and it is a snail compared to my GS6 and my Lenovo Yoga Laptop running 8.1 with 4GB of RAM
No idea how many cores my laptop has. All I know is it is a Intel i5 processor.
I'll be upgrading my desktop at some point. Multitasking is painful on it and I still love having a desktop.
No idea how many cores my laptop has. All I know is it is a Intel i5 processor.
I'll be upgrading my desktop at some point. Multitasking is painful on it and I still love having a desktop.
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And yet an 8 core Samsung phone doesn't come anywhere close to the power of my dual core laptop
Thats a blanket statement though.
Apples to Apples, comparing an 8 core desktop CPU vs a 2 core desktop CPU. You can still accurately say the 8 core doesn't come anywhere close to the power of the dual core.........depending on task and CPU variables.
With all similar CPU variables a dual core with higher frequency can blaze through serial task faster then an 8 core. Whereas task that can be divided amongst the cores the 8 core will dominate even at lower clock speeds.
Multicore is generally cheaper, faster, cooler, and more power efficient. The question is whether the software can utilize it. With mobile devices its even more interesting with certain cores dedicated to certain task like low power stuff (notifications, listening for Hey Google or whatever activates google now, etc).
There will always be task that cannot utilize multicore operation and in those task the CPU's raw power will determine its real world speed. And back to an 8 core phone vs your laptop, you might be surprised with the right task given to each device with how close there performance could be (speaking strictly CPU not the rest of the system).
It's not the computer, it's the OS. Upgrade to windows 7 and it'll be a lot faster.
Will it erase all my saved stuff if i do that? And will it copy right over Vista without doing anything else? Its been a while since i did this with Windows. A long while.
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You should be able to do an inplace upgrade over Vista. If not, the installer should prompt you to backup your stuff.
And yet an 8 core Samsung phone doesn't come anywhere close to the power of my dual core laptop
Actually, mobile Haswell i5 is pretty crappy. Not only does it run hot but also throttles so performance is inconsistent or slow under load. I ended up replacing mine with Core M which offers comparable performance while being fanless and consistent. Performance wise Exynos 7420 is comparable if not slightly ahead on real world software such as Stockfish chess engine while consuming only about 3 watt versus 28 watt with Macbook Pro 2.4GHz i5. When it comes to graphics performance most ARM iGPUs embarrass the i5.
A72 core will be very interesting as it'll be even faster and lower power.
You're joking about the GPU part, right? Because let's take a look at that amazing Mali-T760 MP8 from the Exynos 7420 and put it up against Haswell's GPU. That'd be the HD5100 from the MBP, if we were going from that.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ARM-Mali-T760-MP8.140006.0.html
We see a respectable average of 33.4 on the T-Rex HD Onscreen C24Z16 and 51.7 on 1080p with the same test
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Graphics-5100.91977.0.html
We see a respectable 56.5 and 83.5 from this guy on those tests respectively. Of course, we're no long on Haswell. We're on Broadwell. I'm sure it's not going to be too much better, right?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Graphics-6100.125591.0.html
Somehow worse than Haswell in the normal test and ... over 100 in the 1080p test. Hmmm.
Maybe this isn't exactly fair. Like you said, it does use 1/9 of the power. What we should be doing is testing the iGPU that is actually close to what the Exynos uses in terms of power. What we should be testing is... the Intel HD 5300 that comes with the Core M product.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-5300.125576.0.html
44.4 on the normal test and 54.4 if we bump it down to 1080p. Let's not understate how good ARM is to have gotten where it is right now. Let's not understate how Intel turned around their iGPU business, though.
GFXBench is useless since it doesn't mirror real life. Running any real gamw like Trine 2 on Haswell i5-4300U at 720p causes throttling where fps dips down to single digit so it's unplayable. Core M maintains close to 30 fps. Any decent ARM iGPU can do 40 to 60 fps with comparable graphics at native 1080p or greater.
You're using the 4300U, which is the HD 5000 and a 15w power source. Those do suck. But you wanted to compare it to a 28w, which has the 5100. That's assuming the game doesn't have dumbed down graphics on the mobile or the benefits of being one of those nVidia games that is optimized for mobile when thrown onto the store.
Also, that's assuming you're being honest.
So, please, you don't have to make ARM look better through blatant trickery. The fact that it can beat Haswell in graphics is great.
Also switching to a SSD will help a lot.
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Where is your proof (for bolded part)?
My desktop has 12 cores and 24 threads but yes my laptop only has 4 cores and 8 threads. Please tell me how this is relevant to phones though?
I'm trying to make sense from this whole thread where people are saying that Android needs to work on their cores to out perform iOS cores...
It's not the cores that Android needs to work on.... It's the Android OS that needs to be worked on. The apps are all running on Java which causes the whole OS to feel clunky. The only thing they can do is up the processing power to handle the OS. If apple would put iOS on an Android device it would fly like crazy. I believe Android should drop the whole Java bit, because it's sluggish and ruins the whole experience...
It's not the cores that Android needs to work on.... It's the Android OS that needs to be worked on. The apps are all running on Java which causes the whole OS to feel clunky. The only thing they can do is up the processing power to handle the OS. If apple would put iOS on an Android device it would fly like crazy. I believe Android should drop the whole Java bit, because it's sluggish and ruins the whole experience...
That's almost like that was the point I was trying to make...
Not really, because put that Exynos under the load of my daily activities and it would die within the hour.
My point wasn't clear, I'll give you that. I was trying to point out people focus on cores as if that's what makes something better, and yeah, having more cores in a device *can* be good, but it's not a guaranteed better, and in a lot of cases, the tradeoffs are worse.