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I was terrible, but had fun when I wasn't losing my temper. Definitely a defender of the Roy Keane school.
Does that mean you'd deliberately foul opposing players, then hide behind your team-mates when things got a bit spicy? ;)

I despise Roy Keane. One of the most overrated footballers I've seen. A decent midfielder, but not world class. Was lucky to be in an exceptional team, where hard physical play was a characteristic of their game. But Keane would do nasty fouls and then retreat to safety behind his team-mates who tried to calm things down. This was an era where 'hardmen' were glorified. But it was an era where so-called hardmen were anything but that, really. Just bullies. Keane's foul on Alf Inge Haaland was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in football. What a coward. But such behaviour stems from a real insecurity; Keane isn't the most intelligent bloke out there, so feels intimidated by others who are cleverer than him. Classic inadequacy. His way of 'levelling up' is through aggression, but the truth was he wasn't actually all that tough. I've seen his like on football pitches many, many times. And I've seen his like slink off with their tails between their legs, as soon as anyone gives it back. What a pathetic little man he really is. 🤣

I was a decent yet profligate attacker; small, fast, agile. Scored often, but my finishing let me down a lot. If I was relaxed, my confidence would be high and I'd play a lot better. I was no good if frustrated. No good with my head, either, but this was more through fear of brain damage than anything else. Very good at pouncing on a loose ball in the box, and tucking it away. In my later years, I became more of a midfielder, seeking out a good pass to other players. Not bad as a defender either, although too small to be a physical presence. Not bad at 5-a-side. Was fortunate to have continued playing until I was 45, when a very bad achilles tendon injury ended my career. 😪 My last act on a football pitch was scoring an equaliser, so I'll take that.
 

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Funny, I just assume Sweden gets into all the tourneys.... They have one of the best uniforms.


Got anyone in mind to take his place?
They are talking about Graham Potter….? Haven't heard much else real rumors.


Otherwise, Pia Sundhage is back in the country after she got fired by the Brazil's Womens team and she's searching for a new job. 😂
But a club, she's done with national teams I think. But she got Olympic Gold with USA a few times, and a Silver with the Swedish Womens team 2016, not bad.
 
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They are talking about Graham Potter….? Haven't heard much else real rumors.


Otherwise, Pia Sundhage is back in the country after she got fired by the Brazil's Womens team and she's searching for a new job. 😂
But a club, she's done with national teams I think. But she got Olympic Gold with USA a few times, and a Silver with the Swedish Womens team 2016, not bad.
Potter as national manager!!! that's a big risk in my opinion because he was out of his depth at Chelsea and manager of a national team is a lot lot more than that of club level.
 

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Potter as national manager!!! that's a big risk in my opinion because he was out of his depth at Chelsea and manager of a national team is a lot lot more than that of club level.

It's the Swedish Men's team we're talking about here. Pia Sundhage was a joke, of course.
Doubt that a woman coach would get that job at this time, unfortunately.
I am certain though that there's a lot of women who would do a better job than what Janne Andersson did with the guys.

The Women's team are very satisfied with Peter Gerhardsson as far as I know.
Pia Sundhage already had the manager position between 2012–2017, so no she's not getting it back.
 
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The Swedish men's team always feels like they're a couple of good players away from being real contenders in Europe, but the talent pool isn't quite deep enough, and they haven't been fortunate enough to have a "golden generation" come through I a while that I can recall.
 
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The Swedish men's team always feels like they're a couple of good players away from being real contenders in Europe, but the talent pool isn't quite deep enough, and they haven't been fortunate enough to have a "golden generation" come through I a while that I can recall.
It was a time before Zlatan - a high during Zlatan - and now it's the time after Zlatan.
I think they have a few fairly good players though, but no team spirit with a bad manager 😝
 

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They are talking about Graham Potter….? Haven't heard much else real rumors.


Otherwise, Pia Sundhage is back in the country after she got fired by the Brazil's Womens team and she's searching for a new job. 😂
But a club, she's done with national teams I think. But she got Olympic Gold with USA a few times, and a Silver with the Swedish Womens team 2016, not bad.
OK, next question:

Is it better to have a female head coach on a woman's team? Does it matter?

I've always liked our USWNT coaches. it has been a mixed bag, male, female. Jill Ellis and Pia Sundhage being my top two.
 

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OK, next question:

Is it better to have a female head coach on a woman's team? Does it matter?

I've always liked our USWNT coaches. it has been a mixed bag, male, female. Jill Ellis and Pia Sundhage being my top two.
No, the gender doesn't really matter today. Sweden are great with Peter Gerhardsson.
It was more of a thing some years back to get women in coaching positions for women.
Peter is married to a former female player though.
 

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This could be very troubling for PL clubs. A ban on players being loaned or signed between teams under the same ownership has been thwarted. I do not know who put forward the ban, the league or the clubs but from what I have read the owners of the league were in favour of the ban but it failed with a vote of 13-7 in favour of the ban BUT PL rules state the result must be 14 or above and because it only got 13, the ban failed. It has therefore now allowed clubs who are owned by the same owners to be able to sign players from clubs they own. This is a problem because it could mean that players are signed on the cheap or loaned on the cheap because the owner owns both clubs involved. News articles on this specifically talk about Saudi clubs because apparently it was Newcastle who posed the question if they sign players from Saudi clubs that are owned by their owner.


I've linked to one news article but there are many. The main thing to note though is that even though the issue was brought about by Newcastle and their Saudi owners, the issue affects every club around the world. There are multi club ownership with other PL owners owning clubs in France, Germany, so it's not just a Saudi thing. All the news articles I read on the matter do point out that all the clubs bar one (Wolves) who voted against the ban are clubs where their owners own other clubs around the world.

Just think of the possibility. Newcastle's Saudi owners own the top 4 clubs in the Saudi league and many of these clubs have signed some of the worlds top players, granted many are coming to the ends of their career but it's still a possibility that Newcastle owners could do deals with the clubs they own to get those players to sign for Newcastle, maybe on 1 year deals, who knows but that's the issue, and they would do so on the cheap because the Saudi owner owns all the clubs involved.
 

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Manchester City already has similar arrangements. When SJR gets his stake in Man Utd, they will have the same thing going, as INEOS already owns OGC Nice and FC Lausanne-Sport. Just another way for the biggest clubs to stockpile talent, and none of the leagues or football associations will do anything about it.
 

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The Swedish men's team always feels like they're a couple of good players away from being real contenders in Europe, but the talent pool isn't quite deep enough, and they haven't been fortunate enough to have a "golden generation" come through I a while that I can recall.
Sweden is a 10 million people country (more or less). As someone also from a similar sized country we usually just don't have a pool deep enough to constantly field top teams.
Sometimes the quality drops a little and it shows.
It was a time before Zlatan - a high during Zlatan - and now it's the time after Zlatan.
I think they have a few fairly good players though, but no team spirit with a bad manager 😝
I remember watching several incarnations of the Swedish National Teams and I believe Sweden had several better teams than those during Ibrahimović time. Not because of him, just a coincidence.

OK, next question:

Is it better to have a female head coach on a woman's team? Does it matter?

I've always liked our USWNT coaches. it has been a mixed bag, male, female. Jill Ellis and Pia Sundhage being my top two.
Considering that there is a lot beyond technical knowledge in an head coach job having a woman on a women team and vice versa may have some merit.
 

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All the news articles I read on the matter do point out that all the clubs bar one (Wolves) who voted against the ban are clubs where their owners own other clubs around the world.
Don't know about other PL clubs, but Liverpool FC are owned by Fenway Sports Group, which only owns one football club. Wolves are owned by Fosun, one of the biggest privately owned companies in China. A huge multinational conglomerate, which makes FSG and most other PL clubs owners look like minnows.

I remember watching several incarnations of the Swedish National Teams and I believe Sweden had several better teams than those during Ibrahimović time. Not because of him, just a coincidence.
Imbrahimovic is another overrated footballer imo. On his day, when motivated, he could be fantastic. Very inconsistent and sometimes downright lazy. And injury prone. I think his greatness is a concoction of his own mind, tbh. Did score an absolutely mental goal v England once though.
 

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Sweden is a 10 million people country (more or less). As someone also from a similar sized country we usually just don't have a pool deep enough to constantly field top teams.
Sometimes the quality drops a little and it shows.

Portugal for me has always been roughly the opposite of Sweden: whereas Sweden usually has a couple of good players and a bunch of average Joes, Portugal has mostly had very good to excellent players with a few critical gaps in their squads that held them back from achieving at the very highest levels.

I have to say the current Portugal squad is one of, if not the most complete squad I've seen from them in decades. High quality all around and a good mix of youth and experience. Their over-deference to Ronaldo has been their ultimate undoing lately, so that's something Roberto Martinez must carefully manage.
 

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Sweden is a 10 million people country (more or less). As someone also from a similar sized country we usually just don't have a pool deep enough to constantly field top teams.
Sometimes the quality drops a little and it shows.

I remember watching several incarnations of the Swedish National Teams and I believe Sweden had several better teams than those during Ibrahimović time. Not because of him, just a coincidence.
Ok, I was more thinking in modern time 😉
I am Swedish btw.

But I can't say I keep a lot of track of the mens football in our country, but some things you can't really miss. I'm pretty certain that Zlatan is considered our best player, he have scored way more then any other in the Swedish team ever. But there's no man that makes a team, he've had good players around him at times too.
Teams before Zlatan, can't recall….they were not so fun to follow from my perspective at least. I have followed the Women's team a lot more, and known quite some of them as I've played myself. Not in the national team though.

 
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Ok, I was more thinking in modern time 😉
I am Swedish btw.

But I can't say I keep a lot of track of the mens football in our country, but some things you can't really miss. I'm pretty certain that Zlatan is considered our best player, he have scored way more then any other in the Swedish team ever. But there's no man that makes a team, he've had good players around him at times too.
Teams before Zlatan, can't recall….they were not so fun to follow from my perspective at least. I have followed the Women's team a lot more, and known quite some of them as I've played myself. Not in the national team though.

Smaller countries do seem to have a harder time finding top level players, men and women, but it seems the newer the women's game is a to nation the harder it is to field a competitive team.

It's all about development, isn't it?
 

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Smaller countries do seem to have a harder time finding top level players, men and women, but it seems the newer the women's game is a to nation the harder it is to field a competitive team.

It's all about development, isn't it?
I've mentioned it in this thread before that a family member is involved in community sports football and coaches a number of under 13 teams both girls and boys. When it comes to girls teams he has noticed that the interest in the game seems to drop off when the girls hit the ages of 15-16 because from the ages of 8 to 14 there are 9 girls teams but from the ages of 15 and above there is only one girls team and even that team struggles to find girls willing to play the game. So for a smaller country, it must be even harder to get enough girls interested into the sport and even more harder to keep them interested for them to make a career out of it.

Any one with football in their mind and lives in a small country needs to look at the history of the men's San Marino football team. The team officially recognized by FIFA in 1988 and to this date has not won a qualifying tournament game. They have only won ONE game since their existence and that was a friendly game in 2004. A country with only approx. 33,000 people it shows that it's football pool of talent is severely limited. San Marino's men's national team is evidence of what happens when a country has limited number of people willing to play the game, the talent pool is really really small. This is why the same principle can be applied to the women's game in countries that are small, the number of women playing the game is small meaning the number of talented players would be even smaller.

The girls/women's game of football is still fighting an uphill battle to be taken seriously. Many parents do not want their daughters playing football because they believe football is not for girls. The girls that do go on to play football are ridiculed by many boys and men because they perceive football as being a boys/man's game, and then when these girls become women and advance into female adult teams, they get ridiculed again and passed off as a joke by members of the football press, football commentators and even FIFA and UEFA officials.

Take the recent Women's world cup and the debacle over TV rights. The men's world cup the TV companies are prepared to spend billions to get the rights to show men's world cup games but for the women, none of the TV companies was prepared to pay over $50 million. I remember reading somewhere that a German broadcaster had submitted a bid of $20 million so the country could watch the game in Germany. FIFA spoke out about this saying they were disgusted with all the broadcasting companies from countries around the world putting in extremely low bids for the rights to watch the games in their own countries. This is 2023 and women's football is still having trouble getting to be taken seriously and this coming from a stage where a number of countries have professional women's football leagues.
 
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The girls/women's game of football is still fighting an uphill battle to be taken seriously. Many parents do not want their daughters playing football because they believe football is not for girls. The girls that do go on to play football are ridiculed by many boys and men because they perceive football as being a boys/man's game, and then when these girls become women and advance into female adult teams, they get ridiculed again and passed off as a joke by members of the football press, football commentators and even FIFA and UEFA officials.

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Good old fashioned misogyny ... what a shame.
 

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Smaller countries do seem to have a harder time finding top level players, men and women, but it seems the newer the women's game is a to nation the harder it is to field a competitive team.

It's all about development, isn't it?
I don’t know, but sure it’s about development, but how evolution in itself goes, who knows?
We are a pretty small country, how come we were very early out in the Women’s Football.
Small countries can still be smart you know.

I am usually very surprised every larger Championship I watch, in how Women’s Football evolves. Also in smaller, and distant countries. The styles are different if you watch the more evolved countries and teams vs. the 'new/less evolved countries' in Women’s Football, they all go in different directions.

At the end of the day, all teams learn something new from each other in the various growing Championships, as football evolves differently on our big blue planet.
All countries have their pros and cons, and it doesn’t last forever. Things are shifting and evolving in the football world. All the time!
 

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Ok, I was more thinking in modern time 😉
I am Swedish btw.

But I can't say I keep a lot of track of the mens football in our country, but some things you can't really miss. I'm pretty certain that Zlatan is considered our best player, he have scored way more then any other in the Swedish team ever. But there's no man that makes a team, he've had good players around him at times too.
Teams before Zlatan, can't recall….they were not so fun to follow from my perspective at least. I have followed the Women's team a lot more, and known quite some of them as I've played myself. Not in the national team though.

I have a somewhat soft spot for Swedish players since my team (Benfica) got an up and coming young coach which some here might have heard about a few years later :D. Sven-Göran Eriksson. He also brought some really great Swedish players. But yes, probably can't count as modern.
We also have a very unavoidable best player (Ronaldo) and the best national team I remember didn't feature him (the Euro 2000 one). Unfortunately for us (and for Ronaldo which at his prime never got a really great team to play with) the teams after 2004/2006 took a progressive dive in overall player quality and only recently started to improve.
Yeah the 2016 won the Euro but that team wasn't that great and we were very lucky indeed. Still, It was nice to win something. The side effect is that the coach which was awful really overstayed his welcome. As a lot joke around here his favourite result was winning 0-0. The last WC we already had a pretty good selection and they could have been better used.

Portugal for me has always been roughly the opposite of Sweden: whereas Sweden usually has a couple of good players and a bunch of average Joes, Portugal has mostly had very good to excellent players with a few critical gaps in their squads that held them back from achieving at the very highest levels.

I have to say the current Portugal squad is one of, if not the most complete squad I've seen from them in decades. High quality all around and a good mix of youth and experience. Their over-deference to Ronaldo has been their ultimate undoing lately, so that's something Roberto Martinez must carefully manage.
Yes, in the last 30 years or something we managed to field a reasonable amount of good players. Not always well used and several times with quality gaps or greatly inconvenient injuries.
The first Martinez games weren't very good but it's true there have been improvements. Don't even get me started on Ronaldo.
 
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I don’t know, but sure it’s about development, but how evolution in itself goes, who knows?
We are a pretty small country, how come we were very early out in the Women’s Football.
Small countries can still be smart you know.

I am usually very surprised every larger Championship I watch, in how Women’s Football evolves. Also in smaller, and distant countries. The styles are different if you watch the more evolved countries and teams vs. the 'new/less evolved countries' in Women’s Football, they all go in different directions.

At the end of the day, all teams learn something new from each other in the various growing Championships, as football evolves differently on our big blue planet.
All countries have their pros and cons, and it doesn’t last forever. Things are shifting and evolving in the football world. All the time!
Judging by this video you guys might a have a long way to go...



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I've mentioned it in this thread before that a family member is involved in community sports football and coaches a number of under 13 teams both girls and boys. When it comes to girls teams he has noticed that the interest in the game seems to drop off when the girls hit the ages of 15-16 because from the ages of 8 to 14 there are 9 girls teams but from the ages of 15 and above there is only one girls team and even that team struggles to find girls willing to play the game. So for a smaller country, it must be even harder to get enough girls interested into the sport and even more harder to keep them interested for them to make a career out of it.
Ah, this is where we crash into the uncomfortable realities of puberty.

Now, this is an area where the differences in the resources - such as changing rooms, with privacy, access to hot showers, decent facilities - good quality and above all, safe, changing facilities, that are made available to kids whose bodies are changing rapidly in ways that can make them uncomfortable - can make an enormous difference.

If you want girls to continue to feel confident and comfortable with engaging with (and playing) sports into their teens, you need to provide the resources that will facilitate this; otherwise, there will be an enormous - and precipitous - decline (as there is, at present) in the numbers of girls willing and able to maintain an interest in sports.

Plus, the resources to have several changes of sporting gear, of the team kit, - this matters at that age - and not having to carefully mind the one set you may have been issued with at the start of the school year.

And here, to be blunt, in this case, I am discussing (what can be considered embarrassing) accidents with the menstrual cycle (for, one cannot "hold it in", unlike with contents of the urinary tract), rather than the need to have frequent changes of kit for reasons of fashion.

And the fact that one can be made to feel embarrassed and ashamed when such accidents occur, not to mention just how difficult it can be to remove such stains (which is where I used to praise powerful chemical compounds, irrespective of how detrimental they may have been to the environment, that were equal to this challenge).

There is a very good reason that a number of women's teams have chosen to change the colour of the shorts they wear as part of the team kit to a dark colour.
Any one with football in their mind and lives in a small country needs to look at the history of the men's San Marino football team. The team officially recognized by FIFA in 1988 and to this date has not won a qualifying tournament game. They have only won ONE game since their existence and that was a friendly game in 2004. A country with only approx. 33,000 people it shows that it's football pool of talent is severely limited. San Marino's men's national team is evidence of what happens when a country has limited number of people willing to play the game, the talent pool is really really small. This is why the same principle can be applied to the women's game in countries that are small, the number of women playing the game is small meaning the number of talented players would be even smaller.
That is when you widen your search, and you take a look at recruiting from the diaspora, or from players or sportspeople from that country who have won sports scholarships, (and thus, must be good), and ply their trade, or are successful, elsewhere.
The girls/women's game of football is still fighting an uphill battle to be taken seriously.
Yes, but matters are improving.


Many parents do not want their daughters playing football because they believe football is not for girls.
I would expect that this - while I don't doubt that it exists - may be decreasing.

Rather than active opposition, my concern would be indifference, or parents that are so busy and stressed that they haven't the interest or the time (or the energy) to show interest in the sporting activities of a daughter.

Moreover, as being able to make a professional career from sport (though, that, too, is slowly changing) is harder for talented girls than for boys, parents may not feel the need to encourage their daughters in this area.

Above all, - and, above all, for girls - I would still expect for parents to try to ensure that sporting activities did not interfere with academic pursuits (and results). The old "well, what will you do if this doesn't work out?" still applies, especially to girls who may be talented at sports.
The girls that do go on to play football are ridiculed by many boys and men because they perceive football as being a boys/man's game, and then when these girls become women and advance into female adult teams, they get ridiculed again and passed off as a joke by members of the football press, football commentators and even FIFA and UEFA officials.
That has improved - especially over the past few years.

Twenty years ago, media coverage of female sports was disgraceful, and, on the rare occasions when it did occur, (about 3% of all coverage in the sports pages dealt with women's sports), focussed on publishing images of female sports stars that emphasised how attractive they may have been, - shots as potential models rather than sportswomen - rather than how competent and skilled they were at their sport.

In other words, incredibly skilful sportswomen were reduced to being judged on their appearance, (and sexual attractiveness) - on the rare occasions when they actually appeared in the sports pages, and the published photographs emphasised this, not their skill, not their confidence, not their competence.
Take the recent Women's world cup and the debacle over TV rights. The men's world cup the TV companies are prepared to spend billions to get the rights to show men's world cup games but for the women, none of the TV companies was prepared to pay over $50 million. I remember reading somewhere that a German broadcaster had submitted a bid of $20 million so the country could watch the game in Germany. FIFA spoke out about this saying they were disgusted with all the broadcasting companies from countries around the world putting in extremely low bids for the rights to watch the games in their own countries. This is 2023 and women's football is still having trouble getting to be taken seriously and this coming from a stage where a number of countries have professional women's football leagues.
A very long way to go, but, at least, the Women's World Cup was televised and watched by millions.
 
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