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I worked in the parliament for a year - as a public servant - around twenty years ago as part of the editorial staff of the parliamentary debates office (I sat an entrance exam, and - nation wide - fewer than ten of us obtained places).

Part of my task, apart from editing the texts of the parliamentary debates - was also to log what was taking place in some of the parliamentary committees.

Now, one day, one afternoon, I was present when sports editors from the various newsmedia were called in (by the relevant parliamentary committee) to explain why their coverage of women in sport was so dismal and disgraceful.

The parliamentarians - some of whom had played various sports, some to a fairly high level, at school, or later - had done their homework.

At that time, around 3% (and they had prepared stats examining coverage over the course of a year, i.e. annual coverage) of the coverage on the sports pages - over an entire year - (which means, that it included Wimbledon, for example, was devoted to coverage of female sports, and, of that already disgracefully microscopic percentage, only a few sports were served (tennis was one).

Moreover, - and, to their credit, the parliamentarians were (rightly) furious (and, again, had their homework and preparation and research done, with stats to hand) with the fact of of this exceedingly limited coverage, an astonishing amount was about emphasising the physical appearance (or attractiveness) of the individuals competing, rather than their athletic prowess, or sporting skills and ability.

They asked how such coverage could be expected to persuade girls that sports were healthy, good fun, and a worthwhile and enjoyable activity, - one that you could aspire to a part of - asking how could one argue (to daughters, for example) that such coverage was healthy in any way?

The media representatives - who were a sorry and underwhelming lot - were reduced to muttering about "lack of demand" (from the public) for any such material, the need to answer editorial demands (from male editors) plus demands from advertisers.
 

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I saw 2 matches, almost, in the Women's Champions League yesterday.

-Swedish Häcken is through to next round after victory agains Real Madrid with 2-1
-Chelsea (lot of Swedish players there) won against Paris FC 4-1

Sam Kerr did hat trick - she's amazing to watch 🥳

https://www.youtube.com/@DAZNWomensFootball
are sending a lot of live if anyone want to watch for free.
Managed to find a nice video from Benfica's last game in that channel. Thanks for sharing it.

 

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Very good point for Liverpool today, against arguably the best team on the planet. City are so good. Arsenal can go top later on, and even Newcastle are getting back into it. It's still very tight. A little bit of daylight from the top 4 to the chasers, but not much. The games between the top 6-7 clubs will be key. But so far, Liverpool have only lost due to an absolute farce of the VAR system. Not up to their standards of a few years ago, but slowly improving all the time. City are similarly not on such good form as last season, but again, have that potential for yet more improvement as well. With Arsenal and Spurs, you feel that they're pretty much as the top of what they can produce really. Hard to see how they can make that extra step forward that City and Liverpool can. Aston Villa this season's dark horses; they have a very tough game away at Spurs tomoz, which could define their season. Win that, and you have to consider them a possible top 4 club this season. I don't think Chelsea will be though.
 

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I think that City (playing at home) had become a little complacent, and switched off, and seemed to think that the game was done and dusted and safely won, when it was nothing of the sort.

An excellent result for Liverpool, clawing a result from the game and sharing honours with a goal, (and a point) apiece.
 

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I feel that I have aged considerably today, and not solely on account of my hospital appointment this morning.

A (hard fought) last minute victory (89th minute, no less) against an excellent Brentford, with a goal scored (perhaps improbably - it was a header, after all) by.......Kai Havertz (who had come on as a sub) some minutes earlier.

However, we did have an earlier goal ruled out for off-side (by a toe-nail, it seemed).

And Ramsdale kept a clean sheet, I am very glad to see.
 

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60 million down the drain lol.
Hm.

Jury still out on that, I'm afraid.

However, I must admit (concede?) that he did very well today.
Massive 3 Points.
Yes, we go top of the Premier League, - and have a very valuable (and confidence building) away victory against a very competent and tenacious Brentford.
Havertz opens his PL account
With a header, no less.
and clean sheet for Rambo.
That is what has pleased me most of all; his confidence seemed shattered, and I am very pleased for him that today's game went well.
 
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Havertz will be the talking point but its another incredible ball from Saka who is making those his bread and butter

Arsenal weren't great but edged it over Brentford who were toothless all game. Ramsdale and Raya both looking anxious whenever they play.
 

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Give over; it was Brentford! 🤣 A team that actually had some attacking prowess would have done Arsenal today.
Ramsdale cleared twice off the line; we had a goal ruled offside by the most microscopic of margins, and Arsenal (again) managed (eventually, granted) to actually put the ball in the net.

Candidly, as it was an away fixture, I would have been content with a point, but am delighted with all three points.

Above all, while many will praise Kai Havertz (and, yes, it is terrific that he scored from play), I will still reserve judgment on that purchase, whereas I am genuinely delighted with Ramsdale's performance, for I do think that Mikel Arteta has treated him pretty poorly.

You can drop someone without making it abundantly and bluntly clear that they do not feature in your plans, and Raya has not convinced me as meriting a permanent place in his stead.
 

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macrumors Haswell
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Havertz will be the talking point but its another incredible ball from Saka who is making those his bread and butter
Saka is superb.
Arsenal weren't great but edged it over Brentford who were toothless all game.
Yes, a point would have been a fair outcome until the 89th minute.
Ramsdale and Raya both looking anxious whenever they play.
Agreed.

This is a concern.

Now, Ramsdale's confidence is shattered - and that is, at least partly down to his treatment by Mikel Arteta, and is wholly unnecessary, to my mind.

If you must replace - or supplant - Ramsdale, there must be better keepers than Raya, who, while he can play from the back, hasn't quite convinced me of his ability or - more important - his judgment.
 

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Tbf to them they have the best defence in the league so far.
True, they aren't as leaky as they were just a couple of seasons ago, when the likes of Liverpool were putting four and five past them on a regular basis. Arteta's done a good job there.
 

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True, they aren't as leaky as they were just a couple of seasons ago, when the likes of Liverpool were putting four and five past them on a regular basis. Arteta's done a good job there.
Not only that, (although that matters enormously), but he has also made the team mentally tough.

They don't wilt and psychologically surrender - a deeply depressing and all too frequent feature of their play in the late Wenger days, and early Arteta period - rather, these days, they keep fighting, stay competing right until the final whistle, which is very welcome and good to see.
 

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Arsenal fan's, do you agree with the criticism the football press is giving Arteta for praising the goal scorer Havertz in post match interviews but for not doing so for Ramsdale keeping a clean sheet?, considering the fact Ramsdale has not being playing regularly and thus it can be very difficult to stay focused. A number of journalists asked Areta what did he think of Ramsdales performance but every time he has was asked, he always replied with 'The team did well'.

Also a said day in the football world having just read that Terry Venables has passed away. He was one hell of an excellent manager.
 

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Arsenal fan's, do you agree with the criticism the football press is giving Arteta for praising the goal scorer Havertz in post match interviews but for not doing so for Ramsdale keeping a clean sheet?, considering the fact Ramsdale has not being playing regularly and thus it can be very difficult to stay focused. A number of journalists asked Areta what did he think of Ramsdales performance but every time he has was asked, he always replied with 'The team did well'.

Also a said day in the football world having just read that Terry Venables has passed away. He was one hell of an excellent manager.
RIP Terry Venables. I hadn’t heard that.
He was a great England manager. Close but never quite got the win that would have propelled him to legend.

As for Arteta, goal scorers always get the glory.
 
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macrumors Haswell
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Arsenal fan's, do you agree with the criticism the football press is giving Arteta for praising the goal scorer Havertz in post match interviews but for not doing so for Ramsdale keeping a clean sheet?, considering the fact Ramsdale has not being playing regularly and thus it can be very difficult to stay focused. A number of journalists asked Areta what did he think of Ramsdales performance but every time he has was asked, he always replied with 'The team did well'.
I had held this view long before I read coverage about it, in the media, or elsewhere.

In fact, I have already written that I disagree with the manner of Mikel Arteta's treatment of Aaron Ramsdale. It should be possible to drop someone without destoyin - or, undermining - their confidence.

However, there are a few things to consider (and no, this is not a defence of Mikel Arteta).

Firstly, let us bear in mind that Mikel Arteta is a protégé of Pep Guardiola, and served as his under-study at Manchester City for years.

Terrific manager though Guardiola is, I would argue that his people skills are less developed, and, I suspect, that this may also apply to Mikel Arteta.

Thus, secondly, recall how Guardiola immediately replaced Joe Hart, almost as his first action when he took over as manager in Manchester City, and not just the fact that he did this (having identified Hart - then England's keeper - as a weak link) but how he did it.

It seems to me that Arteta sees some of Ramsdale's performances as having cost the team - or, contributed to the team's loss of form towards the end of last season; the fact that Ramsdale is not comfortable playing out from the back (although he was a superb shot-stopper) certainly seems to have been a contributory factor in Arteta's arrival at the decision to replace his goalkeeper.

However, to my mind, the fact that Saliba and Tomiyasu were injured, as, also, were Nketiah, and Elneny, - at a critical time of the season - and, earlier, Gabriel Jesus had suffered a serious injury at the World Cup - were far greater factors in Arsenal's decline in form (than Ramsdale's performances; he was put under greater pressure consistently towards the end of the season because the quality of the defence that should have been shielding him had deteriorated so dramatically).

Thirdly, Arteta (and Pep Guardiola seems to be similar), - and this, to my mind, is deeply regrettable, appears to make make it all too abundantly clear whether a player is "in", or is (currently) "out".

Fourthly, this has obviously come at a cost in confidence for Ramsdale; despite the clean sheet (which I was delighted by), he didn't actually play all that well, and his performance was, at times, error-strewn.

What was clear was how delighted the team were with Ramsdale; Arteta's response may have been lukewarm, - and I wish he could have found it within himself to have been warmer towards Ramsdale (the contrast with how Arteta hauled Havertz down to receive the congratulations of the travelling Arsenal fans was both quite striking and rather instructive, I daresay that he may view this as vindication for his position on Havertz) but Ramsdale's own team-mates - in a lovely touch - made their delight for him more than abundantly clear.

Also a said day in the football world having just read that Terry Venables has passed away. He was one hell of an excellent manager.
RIP Terry Venables.

An excellent manager, and someone I have always liked.
 
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Columbus struck twice late in Orlando to advance to the MLS Eastern Conference semifinals. Our goalkeeper Schulte started the season as a bench player and yet last night made a series of key saves late in the match. Cincinnati beat Philly on the other side of the bracket, so the semifinal is going to be an all-Ohio Hell is Real derby. Unfortunately for Columbus, Cincy will be at home and they will likely win given how huge home field advantage is in this league. Hope I am wrong there, though.

Yes, a point would have been a fair outcome until the 89th minute.

I thought Brentford looked quite good when Liverpool faced them recently. They really lacked a finisher but with a good forward they could easily have gotten a draw.

In the run up to the match against Man City I figured the most likely positive outcome for Liverpool would be a 2-2 draw. Given that we had at Tsimikas and Trent at fullback, and have had some shaky defense this season, a 1-1 away at the Etihad (with TAA scoring his first of the season, and a lovely strike at that) is a very solid result. Man City’s goal came after Alisson slipped while punting, so while it was a mistake it was just one of those things that happens occasionally. The disallowed goal for the push on Alisson was a somewhat soft foul but I wouldn't call it a mistake by the ref. Waiting to hear whether Alisson's done his hamstring or not, that is probably the worst news of the day.

I am happy with the draw, though Klopp undoubtedly went there to win (as he always does) but given Liverpool's system that mentality was key to Liverpool's performance. They were not playing defensively or reactively, took a lot of risks, and forced Man City to watch their backs the whole match. Man City were on top for much of the game, but I think it would be unfair to expect any opponent to dominate them at the Etihad. And few teams go there and come home with anything.
 

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Spurs have now lost 3 on the trot. Two at home, including that 4-1 humiliation by Chelsea. For all the hype about 'Ange-ball', seems that Spurs are back to being Spursey. No plan B. 🤣
 
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