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73CortinaV8

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Perhaps you guys can help me understand because the people on Reddit were dicks… I wasn’t aware the sensor the 5x uses was so much less resolution than the 1x. (Raw 48mp vs 12mp) so in theory 5x on that 12mp sensor is really not a 5x photo compared to the photo you take using the 1x. As far as video though it is 5x though right? The 4k being shot on the 1x sensor is 4k and on the 5x it’s 4k so you’re actually getting a 5x closer view at the same resolution. Or is that wrong? The photos are noticeably not “5x” but video seems to be

the 5x (120mm equiv) is 5x no matter the number of pixels (specific to the size of the image circle made by the lens). The number is how many times the image is magnified by the lens over 1x.

Maybe you're confusing digital zoom (cropping) with optical zoom?
 

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Admittedly not the best lighting, composition, most interesting scene, etc, but I saw multiple colors and textures and thought it would be challenging, especially given this was in low light. Here is from the 5x straight out of the camera, no edits. I think it works fairly well and it’s a nice zoom option to have.
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bigtuna1

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Noob question... can you explain to me why the physics of 3X iPhone lens are preferred (better?) for people portraits?
One BIG advantage of 3X vs 2X is availability of getting a candid portrait outside a studio. Many of my best candid photos are with 200 or 400 2.8 with SLR The 15 ProMax can get it done without hauling huge glass. It is even a replacement for my Canon G7x IT IS IN YOUR POCKET… amazing!
 

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BeatCrazy

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One BIG advantage of 3X vs 2X is availability of getting a candid portrait outside a studio. Many of my best candid photos are with 200 or 400 2.8 with SLR The 15 ProMax can get it done without hauling huge glass. It is even a replacement for my Canon G7x IT IS IN YOUR POCKET… amazing!
Right but what are the physics advantages of using that lens vs just getting close enough with the standard lens? Specially for portraits. Should I be backing up and using the 3X lens for portraits instead of the main? It has a higher f-stop.
 

ToddH

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I have to disagree with that. The 5x is much better than the 3x camera in the 13 & 14 pro series iPhone. The sensor in the 13/14 pro for the 3x is small and has been the same since the 12 pro series. The 3x is terrible in low light & the max ISO is lousy as well.

The 5x on the other hand is much better, sharper and much better in low light. Also it has a new sensor that is 25% larger (every bit helps). I get good results in low light using ProRAW with third party apps like NOMO RAW, and Moment app. Also the HEIF Max files are nice. I have found that the third party apps tend to focus the 5x camera better than the default iPhone camera. Using NOMO RAW generates really sharp photos from the 5x camera. Also the Moment app allows for very sharp and clean images.

The 5x camera has a minimum focus distance of 53.15 inches. Any closer than that the 1x camera takes over unless a third party app is used to hard select the camera and the cameras will not automatically switch.

Look at the technical readout from the 14 pro/max and 15 pro max and see the difference in ISO and minimum focus distance.

I haven’t had my 15 pro max very long, only 3 days. I have only taken a few good shots with the 5x & like what I see.

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allenvanhellen

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Buy a real camera if you want to take real photos. I don't mean to sound like a jerk. The iPhone SE takes pretty good snapshots and isn't crazy big and heavy and expensive like the "pro" phones. You could buy a GREAT used DSLR or mirrorless camera for the price difference, or put that money toward an AWESOME new camera that will take FANTASTIC pictures for decades to come.
 
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Starscape

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Unpopular opinion: The 5x zoom on the iPhone Pro Max is only beneficial in ideal lighting conditions and isn't a compelling reason to upgrade from a previous iPhone as the quality is just meh (if not in great light condition).

I sold my 14 PM, and now I regret it. This generation is disappointingly underwhelming. Resale values might take a hit next year since many will opt for used 14 Pros or skip this generation and go straight for the 16 Series.
Really, what were you expecting? These tiny camera lenses have limitations.
 

ToddH

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Buy a real camera if you want to take real photos. I don't mean to sound like a jerk. The iPhone SE takes pretty good snapshots and isn't crazy big and heavy and expensive like the "pro" phones. You could buy a GREAT used DSLR or mirrorless camera for the price difference, or put that money toward an AWESOME new camera that will take FANTASTIC pictures for decades to come.
I have a real camera, a Sony A7RV with the 50mm f/1.2 GM lens, Sigma art 85mm & 105mm lenses. Also I have a lot of studio gear, lights, backgrounds, etc… But I can’t take them with me daily. When I shoot ProRAW and control my lighting & fully edit my photos, I can produce image quality from my iPhone that closely matches the Sony. The camera is just a tool, you get out of it what you put into it. Sure if all you take are general HEIF snapshots with no control over lighting or editing of the photo, then yes, the images will be plain & will probably bring forth much suction! You’ll appreciate your work a lot more if extra effort and attention to details is added to your workflow.

Do these photos look like they were taken with the iPhone?

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….Well they were. I love the images I get out of the iPhone.
 
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I have a real camera, a Sony A7RV with the 50mm f/1.2 GM lens, Sigma art 85mm & 105mm lenses. But I can’t take them with me daily. When I shoot ProRAW and control my lighting & fully edit my photos, I can produce image quality from my iPhone that closely matches the Sony. The camera is just a tool, you get out of it what you put into it. Sure if all you take are general HEIF snapshots with no control over lighting or editing of the photo, then yes, the images will be plain & will probably bring forth much suction! You’ll appreciate your work a lot more if extra effort and attention to details is added to your workflow.

Do these photos look like they were taken with the iPhone?

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….Well they were. I love the images I get out of the iPhone.
I second the motion. I have $120k worth of real Canon cameras and L lenses but my favorite is my iPhone as it is with me all the time.

Does anyone bring their iPhone to the toilet? Imagine bring a Sony or Canon!
 
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HDFan

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the 5x zoom on the iPhone Pro Max is only beneficial in ideal lighting conditions and isn't a compelling reason to upgrade from a previous iPhone

Haven't tried in low light nor paid particular attention to image quality. The 5x is quite useful:

The Merlin app allow you to take a photograph of a bird so the app can identifiy it. My bird feeder is at most 5 feet away from my window but resulting picture on my 14 Pro Max was so small that Merlin couldn't use it. With the 5x I can stand right at the window (birds don't see me) and the app can identify the bird.

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allenvanhellen

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I have a real camera, a Sony A7RV with the 50mm f/1.2 GM lens, Sigma art 85mm & 105mm lenses. Also I have a lot of studio gear, lights, backgrounds, etc… But I can’t take them with me daily. When I shoot ProRAW and control my lighting & fully edit my photos, I can produce image quality from my iPhone that closely matches the Sony. The camera is just a tool, you get out of it what you put into it. Sure if all you take are general HEIF snapshots with no control over lighting or editing of the photo, then yes, the images will be plain & will probably bring forth much suction! You’ll appreciate your work a lot more if extra effort and attention to details is added to your workflow.

Do these photos look like they were taken with the iPhone?

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….Well they were. I love the images I get out of the iPhone.
I have a real camera, a Sony A7RV with the 50mm f/1.2 GM lens, Sigma art 85mm & 105mm lenses. Also I have a lot of studio gear, lights, backgrounds, etc… But I can’t take them with me daily. When I shoot ProRAW and control my lighting & fully edit my photos, I can produce image quality from my iPhone that closely matches the Sony. The camera is just a tool, you get out of it what you put into it. Sure if all you take are general HEIF snapshots with no control over lighting or editing of the photo, then yes, the images will be plain & will probably bring forth much suction! You’ll appreciate your work a lot more if extra effort and attention to details is added to your workflow.

Do these photos look like they were taken with the iPhone?

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….Well they were. I love the images I get out of the iPhone.
I have a real camera, a Sony A7RV with the 50mm f/1.2 GM lens, Sigma art 85mm & 105mm lenses. Also I have a lot of studio gear, lights, backgrounds, etc… But I can’t take them with me daily. When I shoot ProRAW and control my lighting & fully edit my photos, I can produce image quality from my iPhone that closely matches the Sony. The camera is just a tool, you get out of it what you put into it. Sure if all you take are general HEIF snapshots with no control over lighting or editing of the photo, then yes, the images will be plain & will probably bring forth much suction! You’ll appreciate your work a lot more if extra effort and attention to details is added to your workflow.

Do these photos look like they were taken with the iPhone?

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….Well they were. I love the images I get out of the iPhone.
You compared your iPhone to your Sony, pointing out that the iPhone is the one you can take with you daily, but your sample images use tripods and 10" LED light boxes, no? And which iPhone lens were they shot with? I'll bet not the "ultra wide" or "telephoto". Did you edit them all in Lightroom on your iPhone, too?

They are indeed beautiful photographs. But they aren't a comparison between the iPhone 5x zoom lens (which is the topic of this thread) and a DSLR, without a bunch equipment and software to control lighting and editing. Please show us those, OR show us your images from your DSLR that were taken with controlled lighting and edited as carefully.

Either way, the point remains that dollar for dollar, a DSLR captures superior images, is more versatile, and will last longer. As you say, the only advantage of the iPhone is its size. OP expressed disappointment with the 5x zoom lens on the iPhone, and a DSLR would certainly not disappoint in those ways.
 

ToddH

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You compared your iPhone to your Sony, pointing out that the iPhone is the one you can take with you daily, but your sample images use tripods and 10" LED light boxes, no? And which iPhone lens were they shot with? I'll bet not the "ultra wide" or "telephoto". Did you edit them all in Lightroom on your iPhone, too?

They are indeed beautiful photographs. But they aren't a comparison between the iPhone 5x zoom lens (which is the topic of this thread) and a DSLR, without a bunch equipment and software to control lighting and editing. Please show us those, OR show us your images from your DSLR that were taken with controlled lighting and edited as carefully.

Either way, the point remains that dollar for dollar, a DSLR captures superior images, is more versatile, and will last longer. As you say, the only advantage of the iPhone is its size. OP expressed disappointment with the 5x zoom lens on the iPhone, and a DSLR would certainly not disappoint in those ways.
This post of mine was regarding the 5x camera. The extra photos were just examples of what the iPhone is capable of and that it’s more enjoyable to use than a DSLR. If I’m off topic… so what.

A DSLR is better, but I don’t want to use one as much as I want to use my iPhone. Using a DSLR takes more time you have to take the memory card out, put it into the computer, download the files, edit them, and either share them from your computer or airdrop them to your phone to share them, etc. id rather just do everything from the phone. I’ve used a DSLR for years. And before that I used film, which was even worse.
 
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allenvanhellen

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This post of mine was regarding the 5x camera. The extra photos were just examples of what the iPhone is capable of and that it’s more enjoyable to use than a DSLR. If I’m off topic… so what.

A DSLR is better, but I don’t want to use one as much as I want to use my iPhone. Using a DSLR takes more time you have to take the memory card out, put it into the computer, download the files, edit them, and either share them from your computer or airdrop them to your phone to share them, etc. id rather just do everything from the phone. I’ve used a DSLR for years. And before that I used film, which was even worse.
Gotcha. I also like my iPhone for taking quick shots and not mucking about with cards and stuff. And I am sometimes really satisfied with the results. But I'm often disappointed. I don't even use the "ultra wide", even in daylight. When I care about the results -- which is often -- I bring my real camera, and it's pretty easy to import them over to the phone if I want to iMessage or post them.
 

ToddH

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Gotcha. I also like my iPhone for taking quick shots and not mucking about with cards and stuff. And I am sometimes really satisfied with the results. But I'm often disappointed. I don't even use the "ultra wide", even in daylight. When I care about the results -- which is often -- I bring my real camera, and it's pretty easy to import them over to the phone if I want to iMessage or post them.
Yeah the ultra wide is kind of lousy. It’s good up close but lacks resolution in distant objects. The UW really needs a much larger sensor and optics. I mostly use the 1x camera at 48mp. I’ll also attach the 1.7x beastgrip telephoto for a more natural look with portraits. It would be nice to see Apple make a camera equivalent to a 50mm lens using the 48mp sensor. But I’m happy now that the iPhone has the 5x and using a 25% larger sensor with improved ISO, which was heavily needed.
 

Mcrumors David

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Unpopular opinion: The 5x zoom on the iPhone Pro Max is only beneficial in ideal lighting conditions and isn't a compelling reason to upgrade from a previous iPhone as the quality is just meh (if not in great light condition).

I sold my 14 PM, and now I regret it. This generation is disappointingly underwhelming. Resale values might take a hit next year since many will opt for used 14 Pros or skip this generation and go straight for the 16 Series.

Zoom might be dissapointing. But the upgraded photo res (2x + 48mp HEIC) upgrade and the resulting 4k video in Live Photos ain't
 

matrix07

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One BIG advantage of 3X vs 2X is availability of getting a candid portrait outside a studio. Many of my best candid photos are with 200 or 400 2.8 with SLR The 15 ProMax can get it done without hauling huge glass. It is even a replacement for my Canon G7x IT IS IN YOUR POCKET… amazing!
Good candid!
 

thelookingglass

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I have to disagree with that. The 5x is much better than the 3x camera in the 13 & 14 pro series iPhone. The sensor in the 13/14 pro for the 3x is small and has been the same since the 12 pro series. The 3x is terrible in low light & the max ISO is lousy as well.

The 5x on the other hand is much better, sharper and much better in low light. Also it has a new sensor that is 25% larger (every bit helps). I get good results in low light using ProRAW with third party apps like NOMO RAW, and Moment app. Also the HEIF Max files are nice. I have found that the third party apps tend to focus the 5x camera better than the default iPhone camera. Using NOMO RAW generates really sharp photos from the 5x camera. Also the Moment app allows for very sharp and clean images.

The 5x camera has a minimum focus distance of 53.15 inches. Any closer than that the 1x camera takes over unless a third party app is used to hard select the camera and the cameras will not automatically switch.

Look at the technical readout from the 14 pro/max and 15 pro max and see the difference in ISO and minimum focus distance.

I haven’t had my 15 pro max very long, only 3 days. I have only taken a few good shots with the 5x & like what I see.

13 & 14 pro/max

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Thanks. This is the info I wanted to see. Good to hear the 5x is much better in low light than prior zooms.
 
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adrianlondon

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Someone above suggested getting closer to an object instead of needing a 5x lens.

The reason for using a zoom lens is that you can play with reducing depth of field, and it reduces parallax. Yes, DoF can be faked but then you're relying on AI to correctly outline the subject. Also, sometimes, it just isn't possible to walk closer to whatever it is you're photographing.

A decent SLR or mirrorless will always take better photos than a phone, assuming the same skill coming from the fleshy technology standing behind the camera :) But ...

"The best camera is the one you have with you" - Chase Jarvis (although I'm sure someone else said it earlier).
 

BanjoDudeAhoy

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You’ll never get close to the quality of a camera with a large sensor and big glass, the lack of detail and depth of field will be hard to overcome until they find a way to defeat physics.

You can get a cheap used telephoto lens on a ten year old DSLR of any make and get incredibly better results. I’ve actually contemplated buying an old Canon camera body on eBay and putting a cheap used telephoto lens on it just for the times I need the reach.
I recently went over a bunch of pictures I took with my old Canon EOS 1100D.
It was an entry level DSLR, sure, but I dare say I took some really nice pictures with it - especially once I got a proper lens for it.

One issue is that the dimensions of the photos are not all that great by today’s standards.
 

BanjoDudeAhoy

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"The best camera is the one you have with you" - Chase Jarvis (although I'm sure someone else said it earlier).

That’s generally how I see it and I’m also not a fan of switching lenses or lugging around multiple big cameras.

Also, I don’t have suitable lenses for low light. That’s where a phone camera can come in quite handy.
 
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TracerAnalog

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Look, if you’re a serious photographer you take out your system camera, attach the right lens and create your masterpiece… you do not use an iPhone for that. You use an iPhone to take ‘point and shoot’ photo’s when it’s the only camera you have with you, and for that I find the 5x a good addition.
Unpopular opinion: The 5x zoom on the iPhone Pro Max is only beneficial in ideal lighting conditions and isn't a compelling reason to upgrade from a previous iPhone as the quality is just meh (if not in great light condition).

I sold my 14 PM, and now I regret it. This generation is disappointingly underwhelming. Resale values might take a hit next year since many will opt for used 14 Pros or skip this generation and go straight for the 16 Series.
I simply disagree. I was at a concert yesterday, and the 5x lens took fantastic stage pictures with stage lighting, including the dreaded blue/purple lighting. So no, it doesn’t disappoint. And yes, as I’ve said many times on Macrumors, a proper system camera with dedicated lenses will absolutely make better pictures. Good luck bringing that to a concert😁
 

w_aldo

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Admittedly not the best lighting, composition, most interesting scene, etc, but I saw multiple colors and textures and thought it would be challenging, especially given this was in low light. Here is from the 5x straight out of the camera, no edits. I think it works fairly well and it’s a nice zoom option to have. View attachment 2287004
This is just a cropped 1x image, unless it's taken from Halide. In low light, the stock camera app doesn't use the telephoto.
 
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