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NME42

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People who complain about Apple's iOS updates have obviously never dealt with Garmin and their updates. 😂 It seems like their pattern on every update is to fix one thing while breaking 3 others.
True. Also I never had any watchOS update that consistently crashed my watch or heard of such.

The Garmin fans seem to be quite tolerant. There even is a guy in their forum explaining why a crash is not bad.

On the cold water crash (diving watch, LOL) he wrote that he puts the watch before swimming into cold water, lets it crash and then on reboot everything is fine. :D

 
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Air_M1

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I have been wearing my F8 since the 1st charge 4 days ago. I used for workout of 1.5 hours daily, weekend golf, and daily walking. All these activities and sleep tracking, my battery is still 11 days left.....:D

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Zelegorm

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I have an Epix pro 2 and a Fenix 8. the release was horrible. In addition to that the battery life is also horrible. That would be the only reason to buy the garmin. Better you are not listening music or better you should turn off the oxygen measurements and better you will not use dual band for gps. Same for always on display. If so you are still missing any LTE functionality. You will be lost in case of an emergency during sports. Better you bring your phone with you. What a crippled watch. Sorry
 
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Air_M1

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I have an Epix pro 2 and a Fenix 8. the release was horrible. In addition to that the battery life is also horrible. That would be the only reason to buy the garmin. Better you are not listening music or better you should turn off the oxygen measurements and better you will not use dual band for gps. Same for always on display. If so you are still missing any LTE functionality. You will be lost in case of an emergency during sports. Better you bring your phone with you. What a crippled watch. Sorry
Show us photos of the 2 watches with current date face. Did you update all the software on F8?
 

azhava

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The two Garmins I had (935 and Fenix 6) had way better battery life than my AW8 or Ultra 2, not even a comparison. I could get well over a week, sometimes close to two weeks, in between battery charges. I use my watches as golf watches, so I'm using 3-4 hours of GPS and screen time 3 to 4 days a week in addition to all the normal daily usage.

The problem I had is that with that kind of battery life, I didn't pay much attention to checking battery status or charging it, and got caught flat-footed a few times where I was heading to play golf or go for a run and noticed that I had <10% battery left - which wasn't enough to get me through, and Garmin watches don't fast charge. With the Apple Watch, I know I need to charge it every night so it's a habit and I'm always aware of where my battery % is - which may seem like an inconvenience, but it's actually more convenient to me because it makes it a routine. The AW8 can make it through a full day with a round of golf included, although it's usually pretty drained by the evening when it's time to charge; the Ultra 2 can make it a day and a half or so if I have a round of golf in there (easily 2 days without it), so I still top it off in the evening so it's fully charged for the next day.

Garmins have way better battery life because their display is primitive compared to an AW, and they have far fewer battery-consuming features than an AW does. They're good fitness watches (although their HRM sucks compared to an AW, IMO), but crude and severely crippled as a smartwatch compared to an AW. It's a tradeoff that is acceptable, even necessary, to a small niche group of extreme "ultra" athletes who need the long battery life to get through their training/competitions, but it's not a deal maker/breaker for the vast majority of people unless you just hate charging a watch that much.
 

tolili alert

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For years I was one of the poor people who was obsessed with battery.

If after 24 hours I had 45% instead of 40%, it was already like a victory.

Then I stopped to think about why I was being so stupid.

Since then, I've been using the watch as much as possible, and if I get to 24 hours with 20%, it makes absolutely no difference to me. And even more so now with the Series 10, where 10 minutes on the charger gives you about 28% battery.

I enjoy my watches more than ever and I get the most out of them.

If I wanted a watch so I could forget about the battery, I would buy a Casio.

If I wanted a watch with absurd and useless sensors I would buy a Samsung.

If I wanted a watch that gave me scores even for how I went to the bathroom, I would buy a Garmin.
 

Zelegorm

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Show us photos of the 2 watches with current date face. Did you update all the software on F8?
Show me your stats
The two Garmins I had (935 and Fenix 6) had way better battery life than my AW8 or Ultra 2, not even a comparison. I could get well over a week, sometimes close to two weeks, in between battery charges. I use my watches as golf watches, so I'm using 3-4 hours of GPS and screen time 3 to 4 days a week in addition to all the normal daily usage.

The problem I had is that with that kind of battery life, I didn't pay much attention to checking battery status or charging it, and got caught flat-footed a few times where I was heading to play golf or go for a run and noticed that I had <10% battery left - which wasn't enough to get me through, and Garmin watches don't fast charge. With the Apple Watch, I know I need to charge it every night so it's a habit and I'm always aware of where my battery % is - which may seem like an inconvenience, but it's actually more convenient to me because it makes it a routine. The AW8 can make it through a full day with a round of golf included, although it's usually pretty drained by the evening when it's time to charge; the Ultra 2 can make it a day and a half or so if I have a round of golf in there (easily 2 days without it), so I still top it off in the evening so it's fully charged for the next day.

Garmins have way better battery life because their display is primitive compared to an AW, and they have far fewer battery-consuming features than an AW does. They're good fitness watches (although their HRM sucks compared to an AW, IMO), but crude and severely crippled as a smartwatch compared to an AW. It's a tradeoff that is acceptable, even necessary, to a small niche group of extreme "ultra" athletes who need the long battery life to get through their training/competitions, but it's not a deal maker/breaker for the vast majority of people unless you just hate charging a watch that much.
But only if you will not play any music. Or you turned of the oxygen sensor. And especially the always on display functionality. Multi band: turn it on always. Then you will see „how amazing“ the battery life is 😂🤣
 
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Air_M1

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Show me your stats

But only if you will not play any music. Or you turned of the oxygen sensor. And especially the always on display functionality. Multi band: turn it on always. Then you will see „how amazing“ the battery life is 😂🤣
Obviously, you don't have the watches. 🤣

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Zelegorm

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Obviously, you don't have the watches. 🤣

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Ok. Obviously you are not answering my questions. Always on display? Oxygen on? Are you playing music during your runs? Dual band on all the time? Yes? I will not believe you. Nope? I am sure. Because it’s a shame how garmin is faking. I will not ask about LTE 😂

If you want real battery life you should get a Suunto watch. That’s a beast in terms of battery life. 1/3 of the price of my garmin
 
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Air_M1

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Ok. Obviously you are not answering my questions. Always on display? Oxygen on? Are you playing music during your runs? Dual band on all the time? Yes? I will not believe you. Nope? I am sure. Because it’s a shame how garmin is faking. I will not ask about LTE 😂

If you want real battery life you should get a Suunto watch. That’s a beast in terms of battery life. 1/3 of the price of my garmin
All heath monitors and GPS are on (auto select, and can be changed to multi-bands base on activities (focus mode)), and AOD is off....HAPPY? Now show us your Garmin watches 🤣
 

Zelegorm

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All heath monitors and GPS are on (auto select, and can be changed to multi-bands base on activities (focus mode)), and AOD is off....HAPPY? Now show us your Garmin watches 🤣
Auto select! AOD Off. Oxygen? I believe off. What about playing music during a gps activity? And then I want to see the real world battery life: My measurement is less than 5 days! The fenix 8 is even more worse. Maybe based on the bad software.
 

Air_M1

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Auto select! AOD Off. Oxygen? I believe off. What about playing music during a gps activity? And then I want to see the real world battery life: My measurement is less than 5 days! The fenix 8 is even more worse. Maybe based on the bad software.
I don't play music off the watch. AOD will reduce battery almost by half, if you need to turn it ON. AOD is cool. Moving my wrist to wake is for me, and during activities display is staying on. Oxygen is on during sleep tracking for now. Maybe when I'm starting to train more, I will set it on in the focus mode. My real world battery with what I'm doing right now is estimated 2 week. I do track workout 1 to 1.5 hours, 4 to 5 days a week, plus golfing on the weekend. Mine is 47mm Amoled version. You need to run 11.6x update, 11.67 is the latest. Also map was updated recently. I used Garmin express to update the map. So I'm running the latest map and software version.
 

Zelegorm

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Testet the garmin again (both watches). Garmin tells me when battery is on 100% that it will last 16 days. The watch was empty after 5 days of use. Great fake news :D and that with no internet connection at all. Buuuuh :D
 

xDKP

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My wife has just bought a Garmin forerunner 165 to use it only for running and keep her Series 7 for the other stuff.
The AW battery is a bit old and not powerful enough for the races we plan.

I haven't used a Garmin since 2016 but I discover how far they are from Apple in UI/UX, software quality:
- Nothing is obvious, navigation with buttons/touch screen is atrocious
- round screen is a super bad choice for displaying data, it's designed for watch hands, not UI
- Garmin Connect is super complex, onboarding on the watch takes ages and it's not able to use your regional settings to set imperial or metric system directly

I know it's not an high end watch, but the software is the same on Fenix. OK, you have tons of buttons (we have enough on Ultra), a better battery life, but if you don't run Ultra trail, I don't see the point.

Big disappointment for me ...
Will also say that the battery life is the last part Garmin has over the Apple Watch - If they could somehow double the Ultra and normal in the next couple of years, it would pretty much solve the last piece
 
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xDKP

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laggy UI (same CPU as Fenix 7)
My OCD really was put off by this - after years of using Apples super smooth UI, this was a massive dissapointment - Just will not purchase a SUPER expensive watch with an ancient chip and laggy UI no matter how Awesome-Athlete-Vibe they try to sell it - Having build in maps are great, but when they are so choppy and laggy they hurt my eyes!
 
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xDKP

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Is it allowed to run a marathon faster than 3 hours and wear an Apple Watch? :D

Well both times people have been looking odd at me, like I really don't belong "up there with the real runners" with an Apple Watch 🤣
 
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deckard666

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Always going to be horses for courses but my AW Ultra 2 does me fine and I run, swim every day - I would rather charge it every other day and have its rather good smart watch features than once a week and not - YMMV.

My previous apple watch series 7 crashed twice in two years....

I am always going to want this to be a smart watch first and a useful athletic tool second.......

Much like any car I own - It has to be useable daily and a track weapon second (its an R8 !)
 
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NME42

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Well both times people have been looking odd at me, like I really don't belong "up there with the real runners" with an Apple Watch 🤣

It's like in Triathlon. You will find the >10k$ carbon pro bikes two times in the field. At the top and at the bottom.

For the slow guys, an expensive Fenix 8 is definitely a good thing. Battery lasts very long. The only caveat is that it might crash while the owner is doing a 5 hours marathon. :p
 

deckard666

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Yeah but all the gear no idea applies fully here - I have a 60 year old mate who trains with zero tech and pretty much runs in shoes, shorts and a top worth 50 quid max - just over 3 hours marathon.
 
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Zelegorm

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And one more point for Apple: Do you really trust garmin to handle your health data carefully? That’s very sensitive information. Answer for myself: Nope
 
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NME42

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And one more point for Apple: Do you really trust garmin to handle your health data carefully? That’s very sensitive information. Answer for myself: Nope
You are speaking of the company that was hacked a few years ago and handled that incident completely intransparent?
 
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jmgregory1

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After 2 years with my Garmin Epix 2, I’m going to try the AW Ultra 2 (black) to see how I like it. I’ve loved the Epix round face and more masculine look, as well as the battery life, but there are just too many times when I’d prefer to not have to carry my phone with me when I’m out on my bike rides. I’m keeping the Epix just in case the AWU2 isn’t what I expected. It will be my second Apple Watch (series 5 Nike) after wearing a Seiko Automatic before that for 15+ years.
 
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