The base model Mac Studio is great value.

[exoticSpice]

It starts at $1999 for M1 Max 10CPU and 24GPU and 32GB RAM

Where as an mac mini intel i7 with 32 RAM and 512GB would cost you $1899 from Apple.

A 16" MacBook pro with M1 Max costs $3099. So for $1,100 less you would be getting M1 Max.

So I don't even know why people are disappointed. I never pay Apple for storage that exceeds $400 option.

It's incredible value compared to the intel i7 mac mini model. For most users who come from high-end Mac mini this is a perfect replacement for that.

 

[januarydrive7]

It at $1999 for M1 Max 10CPU and 24GPU and 32GB RAM

Where as an intel i7 with 32 RAM and 512GB would cost you $1899.

So I don't even know why people are disappointed. I never pay Apple for storage.

It's incredible value compared to the intel i7 mac mini model. For most users who come from high-end Mac mini this is a perfect replacement for that.

I'm in agreement, although I imagine there are some who like the size of the mac mini (especially those mounting in racks for minis).

 

[bobcomer]

Where as an intel i7 with 32 RAM and 512GB would cost you $1899.

I doubt that very seriously. You're not comparing a desktop to a desktop I bet.

For instance, I bought a Lenovo SFF Workstation, low end discrete video card, 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Intel i9 10900 CPU (10 core) for $1600...

Only premium laptops are in the price ranges you quote. Low end laptops are way cheaper.

 

[Pressure]

I doubt that very seriously. You're not comparing a desktop to a desktop I bet.

For instance, I bought a Lenovo SFF Workstation, low end discrete video card, 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Intel i9 10900 CPU (10 core) for $1600...

Only premium laptops are in the price ranges you quote. Low end laptops are way cheaper.

He is comparing it to the lone Intel based Mac mini you still can buy. He just forgot to add 10Gb ethernet for an extra $100 for a total of $1999.

So you can have the base Mac Studio (10-core, 24-core GPU, 32GB unified memory, 512GB SSD, 10Gb ethernet) at $1999 or the Intel Mac mini.

 

[bobcomer]

It's incredible value compared to the intel i7 mac mini model. For most users who come from high-end Mac mini this is a perfect replacement for that.

I'm not really disappointed, though the ultra is higher than I would pay for a personal machine. I wouldn't have complained any if it were cheaper to match a Windows desktop in price though!


I might buy a Studio Max with 64GB RAM, but it wont be a replacement for my 2020 i7 Mac Mini, it still can do things that the Studio can't. (like run x86 VM's)

 

[bobcomer]

He is comparing it to the lone Intel based Mac mini you still can buy.

That's not the only intel desktop people can buy.

 

[exoticSpice]

I doubt that very seriously. You're not comparing a desktop to a desktop I bet.

For instance, I bought a Lenovo SFF Workstation, low end discrete video card, 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Intel i9 10900 CPU (10 core) for $1600...

Only premium laptops are in the price ranges you quote. Low end laptops are way cheaper.

I was talking about the intel i7 mac mini model that Apple sells. I will edit my post to make that clear.

 

[Pressure]

That's not the only intel desktop people can buy.

Of course not but it is the only one that comes with macOS ??‍♂️

 

[exoticSpice]

Only premium laptops are in the price ranges you quote. Low end laptops are way cheaper.

Apple do can also make low end macbook if they use plastic, bad speakers, 1080p display, 300nits and a poor CPU.

But they don't.

 

[exoticSpice]

That's not the only intel desktop people can buy.

Why would I compare to other intel desktops not from Apple. The Mac Mini is the size of of most CPU coolers that PC desktops use. It's in a class of its own.

 

[exoticSpice]

I might buy a Studio Max with 64GB RAM, but it wont be a replacement for my 2020 i7 Mac Mini, it still can do things that the Studio can't. (like run x86 VM's)

I think for most people it can be one but yeah there certain use cases that people still need intel macs for.

 

[skaertus]

It is good value. What is bad value is Apple's upgrade prices.

 

[LeeW]

I am happy enough with it, not overjoyed by any means but $1,999 is decent and I need 32GB of ram. So once it arrives and I get it all set up, will sell the M1 Mac Mini so overall it will do for me.

 

[leman]

I doubt that very seriously. You're not comparing a desktop to a desktop I bet.

For instance, I bought a Lenovo SFF Workstation, low end discrete video card, 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Intel i9 10900 CPU (10 core) for $1600...

Only premium laptops are in the price ranges you quote. Low end laptops are way cheaper.

Dunno, I tried to configure a Dell precision tower with an i9-11900/32GB SSD/512GB RAM and I end up with over $2000.

 

[Flint Ironstag]

Which AMD GPU matches this (roughly)?

 

[JMacHack]

Which AMD GPU matches this (roughly)?

M1 Max? Ballpark 6600 I think. Unless you count raytracing in which it’s a hands down win for AMD (M-series don’t have rt hardware yet).

 

[Technerd108]

I agree the base model Mac Studio is a great value. It is not cheap but for what it delivers it is well worth it.

People will always complain about anything and everyone wants free stuff or cheap. Has our relentless need for cheap by offshoring every manufacturing job possible taught us anything?

Nothing is free and there are always costs to buying “cheap”. Value is much more important as is standard of living vs. cheap.

 

[Mcdevidr]

Apple do can also make low end macbook if they use plastic, bad speakers, 1080p display, 300nits and a poor CPU.

But they don't.

Yea. But why would they when their MacBook Air goes on sale at times for $800. That’s way more value than you’d get from almost any windows machine at that price.

 

[crazy dave]

It is good value. What is bad value is Apple's upgrade prices.

I feel some of them are okay, some are not. The base Ultra is reasonable if you consider than an upgrade to the Max. I'm not a fan of $1000 to go from 48 to 64 cores on the Ultra though ... that's pricy. $600 I could've seen based on the 24-32 core pricing of $200. $1000? That's ... ouch.

 

[widEyed]

[…]
I might buy a Studio Max with 64GB RAM, but it wont be a replacement for my 2020 i7 Mac Mini, it still can do things that the Studio can't. (like run x86 VM's)

Are there no virtual machines for AS yet?! How abut macOS VMs to run older macOS instances (I know someone who runs older version of macOS to use Apple's regressed Quartz Composer Editor b/c his software product (mimoLive) use QC at its core).

 

[widEyed]

I feel some of them are okay, some are not. The base Ultra is reasonable if you consider than an upgrade to the Max. I'm not a fan of $1000 to go from 48 to 64 cores on the Ultra though ... that's pricy. $600 I could've seen based on the 24-32 core pricing of $200. $1000? That's ... ouch.

textbook apple. its about what the market is willing to bare not what it costs to make. black paint jobs on new cars still cost extra…

 

[bobcomer]

Are there no virtual machines for AS yet?!

There are, Parallels, and UTM, only UTM can run x86 VM's, but painfully slow is an understatement.

How abut macOS VMs to run older macOS instances (I know someone who runs older version of macOS to use Apple's regressed Quartz Composer Editor b/c his software product (mimoLive) use QC at its core).

Only UTM can do that, and the last part above applies!

 

[bobcomer]

Dunno, I tried to configure a Dell precision tower with an i9-11900/32GB SSD/512GB RAM and I end up with over $2000.

Try Lenovo. I only buy low end dells.

ThinkStation P348 Tower Workstation, i9-11900, 32GB RAM, 1TB Disk, 3 yr warranty $1729

 

[bobcomer]

Why would I compare to other intel desktops not from Apple. The Mac Mini is the size of of most CPU coolers that PC desktops use. It's in a class of its own.

It's still a desktop. (there are a lot of desktop PC's just as small or smaller than the Studio) You really should say you're comparing it to an Apple Desktop when you make a comparison like that, that changes things quite a bit.

 

[januarydrive7]

It's still a desktop. (there are a lot of desktop PC's just as small or smaller than the Studio) You really should say you're comparing it to an Apple Desktop when you make a comparison like that, that changes things quite a bit.

You of all people ought to understand the user's sentiment --- as you often say, if it doesn't run Windows, then it doesn't matter how great it is... this works both ways --- if it doesn't run macOS, then it doesn't matter how much it costs.