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Nice! They are great machines, but small things on them can wear out over time. That being said, the older ones are more simplistic, so less can go wrong. My mom's 1987 LC runs just fine; however, it handles horribly and is very slow. Still, fun car to be in and looks much better now that I finally got all the purple window tinting off.
[doublepost=1469693915][/doublepost]Update: we ditched the idea of another old Maserati QP and instead decided to check out a depreciated 2013 model at a real Mas dealer. My brother and father went over to see the car, and it apparently looked very nice. Still awaiting a family decision. The car is very cool-looking: it's black on black with black wheels! Nice, darker wood-trim interior in the car.
[doublepost=1469694846][/doublepost]Pt. 2: Along the way to the dealer, my brother spotted a Ford Crown Vic for sale. We've been wanting one to spin out in the middle of the desert - but also because it's one of my and my brother's dream cars. After a very unprofessional sales pitch by the kid (whose grandpa was selling the car), we ended up buying it! So hyped about this!

In case you're wondering, the kid said how he did donuts in it, and that the back seats lack the middle-seat bump, making it an expansive space for girls... In other words, he implied that it would be suitable for 'getting it on' in the back seat. Yeah, worst sales pitch ever. Sadly, he wore the new tires down some by having done donuts with it. There's a reason we drift on dirt.

Anyway, it's a white, unmarked ex police car that still has the chrome rims on it. Guessing it was a detective's unit or something. I see a hole behind the seats, where there likely used to be concealed strobe lights. On the dash is a warning placard that talks about properly stowing/mounting police equipment, and in the center is a trunk-release button. Speaking of center, there exists no center console. In place of the carpeting is rubber lining, and there's an overhead lamp added in - it's quite bright. On the outside, the car has two spotlights (one on each side), and the overall body is a bit iffy. No body damage, but there are multiple areas that were corrected with enamel and spray paint. Not noticeable from afar, though. Sadly, the push bar was removed, but it's okay. With the spotlights, it looks like any ordinary undercover cop car. In fact, I immediately noticed that, when driving it, I was given utmost respect by others. Two separate times, while I was wanting to change lanes, whoever was next to me would slow down and let me pull ahead. Additionally, I'd see people not follow to close, and one woman even gave up her turn at a stop sign for me!

How does it drive? I expected it to drive like a boat, but I was surprised to find that the steering is responsive, the wheel is incredibly easy to turn, the ride is smooth, and the car corners well. Of course, it was slightly modified. The shocks look slightly raised, and the front wheels were apparently made a bit tow-out so that cornering would be easier. No issue taking it around a turn at 30 MPH. It drives nicely. Odd, though, how rough the transmission is. It lurches at its first shift. Brakes were sucky when I first drove it, but now they seem okay. In terms of power, it's fairly powerful and has good punch and pick-up.

SO excited to drive this thing!

Extra info: Oddly enough, rear seats are leather, but front seats are cloth, with a single leather cover over the driver's seat back. Also, front passenger seat belt is charcoal/gray, while rest of belts are black. The rear doors have locks on them that can only be accessed by the driver or front passenger, so you can basically lock a person in the car. No way anyone can get in or out with these locks activated. Trunk seems to have an antenna running to it - in plain sight, from within. The bendy antenna on the rear edge of the car is short, yet the range seems nice. Car has no cassette player or CD player, so it's radio only. Lastly, driver spotlight turns on and works well, but front passenger one seems to be dead.

Overall, we picked up this baby for only $1,500. Most of the quirks are simply cosmetic; the car performs well and its overpowered AC blows ice-cold air! Wish this could be a daily driver.
[doublepost=1469695139][/doublepost]BTW, anyone know if it's illegal to have a phony orange/white light in the back (behind the rear seats, where the original one used to be)? I know that red and blue is a no-no, but apparently orange and white are okay, but only if you are stopped and it's an emergency.

However, I'd take it a step further and not even have these "lights" be operational. In fact, I wanted to create fake strobes out of unrelated materials. For example, what if I took a slender shoe box and glued an orange reflector and white reflector on it, and then make it show through the rear window? In fact, it doesn't even have to have reflectors on it - they could simply be orange/white pieces of translucent plastic.

I know fake red and blue is STILL illegal, but fake orange and white may be fine, right? Even real orange and white is fine, under certain circumstances.

It's a 1987 Land Cruiser with an almost 30 year old engine and suspension designed with off-road capability in mind. What do you expect. I'd still expect a 10-11+ second 0-60 on your other Land Cruiser.

I hope you don't do donuts in the Maserati on dirt, or pavement.

Sounds like it's the Police Interceptor rather that the Crown Victoria.

The back seat is probably vinyl rather than level. Like the rubber/vinyl floor, it's a lot easier to clean up blood, vomit, urine, and fecal matter when it's vinyl rather than cloth.

What do you mean you wish it could be a daily driver?

You don't think making faux strobe lights out of a shoebox and glue sounds tacky??
 
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Yeah, for some reason, I didn't even think about the Crown Vic's demise until yesterday. No wonder the latest models I were seeing were from 2011. It's really sad, and it's annoying to think that there is only so much time left until people stop believing that I'm a cop when I drive down the road xD.

Not sure what Ford was thinking; they pulled it without even hearing from their target audience. I heard that civilian sales dipped... well, duh. No reason to pull the entire line. The new police Taurus and Escape look good, but the Taurus isn't an icon. Would have been cool if they had put out a re-design of the Crown Vic, in order to carry on its legacy.

P.S. Yeah, I was very surprised at how well it handled for such a large car. It also barely takes any effort to turn the wheel, which is amazing when you consider that the tires are all at around 33 PSI, when ~45 is the max. Oh, and, yes - the back seats are big and roomy, but not enough for two people to lie down. As for the material used, it feels like real leather - it's pretty premium. However, I'm sure you're right. It's probably a similar material to that used on restaurant booth seats.
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It's a 1987 Land Cruiser with an almost 30 year old engine and suspension designed with off-road capability in mind. What do you expect. I'd still expect a 10-11+ second 0-60 on your other Land Cruiser.

I hope you don't do donuts in the Maserati on dirt, or pavement.

Sounds like it's the Police Interceptor rather that the Crown Victoria.

The back seat is probably vinyl rather than level. Like the rubber/vinyl floor, it's a lot easier to clean up blood, vomit, urine, and fecal matter when it's vinyl rather than cloth.

What do you mean you wish it could be a daily driver?

You don't think making faux strobe lights out of a shoebox and glue sounds tacky??


No, I was referring to drifting with the Crown Vic; we'd never tear up a pristine Maserati. Yeah, this car is the Police Interceptor variant. It was never a civilian car; that makes it cooler for me! :)

Yeah, it's probably the type of vinyl they use on booth seats at restaurants. Still, it feels pretty nice.

By daily driver, I meant that I wish I could drive it as my car (even though I won't need one in college). It's going to be stored away where we usually go to drift cars in the dirt. We purchased it pretty much for that reason. My brother also wanted it as his car, but my dad said that he 'doesn't want crap around the house.'

As for the strobe in the back, I was giving a very basic explanation and exaggerating in order to show that I was not intending on using real lights in the back. I'd use prop lights so that things are extra legal. What I would probably do is find covers for blinker lights or something and mount them on something that closely resembles the light stand/bar used in the rear of undercover cop cars. That way, I can achieve the look and also argue that the 'lights' aren't even real. The whole point is that people notice the 'lights' through the rear window. That's the first thing I personally notice when seeing an undercover cop car, besides the fact that it's usually a Crown Vic with antennas all over it.
[doublepost=1469736138][/doublepost]As for the Landcruiser, it was built behind the times and with very basic equipment. It really could have driven better if more was put into the car. Luckily, the next generation of Landcruisers were aimed more at luxury, and the car suddenly slightly ahead of its time. They really improved them for the 1990s. The 1987 wasn't just not good - it was unusually bad, even for what it is.
 
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I've been driving Panther platform cars since I got my drivers license, although it's been nearly a year since I've been behind the wheel of them.

As much as I love the platform, there was no getting around the fact that it was pretty severely dated. It went back to 1979, albeit had carried a couple of different engines and incremental upgrades over the years. The last major one was fitting rack and pinion steering(to replace recirculating ball) in '03 or '04. Despite that, there were some lingering things that just aren't done anymore, like the gas tank behind the rear axle. It was the last body-on-frame car produced, and Ford effectively had to maintain a separate assembly line for it(Windsor, Ontario after they closed the Wixom plant) along with the Town Car(plus the Grand Marquis before Mercury went away).

I think another elephant in the room was that they were making these cars(in Police Interceptor trim, along with plenty of Town Cars for livery) in large enough numbers that they were holding back the CAFE numbers for FoMoCo. The rear end in the PI makes it especially bad for CAFE purposes, and it benefited Ford to get this car out of their portfolio even if the alternatives were less than attractive for their intended use.

In all honesty, I see the Charger and Caprice as being the serious contenders for the police market these days, and what I see on the road confirms this. I haven't seen a lot of Caprices on the road, but the Chargers are everywhere.
 
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If I had a diesel VW, there's no way in heck I would keep it.

There's no reason to keep the car. Take the money and run. The buyback values offered are insanely good. No one should be complaining after they get their checks from VW.

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The US Government is raking VW over the coals (deservedly so).
I still find it hilarious that more serious safety recalls, like Takata and GM switches, are being completely ignored by the US Gov't. Takata should be fined billions.
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I hope you don't do donuts in the Maserati on dirt, or pavement.

Why not? It's a RWD sports sedan. I'm sure it dances around quite well in the dirt!

Not to mention, old Maseratis are worthless, so who cares if it gets damaged :)
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I have to say the latest V8SC powered Range Rover/Sports are annoyingly and pretentiously loud. It's a family SUV for god's sake, not a Ferrari.

Yes, it's quite awful. There's no need for it.

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This thread isn't going to help my wallet. I want a roadster again...

Probably the best looking roadster currently

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Today's Maseratis seem uninspired and too mainstream to be as good as they once were. They even - IMO - ruined the QP design.

What? Maseratis were never good cars. People associated them with Ferrari and good looks.

Even when the brand was rebooted in the early 2000s with the Coupé and QP, they were overpriced and underwhelming. Awful build quality, terrible reliability, questionable electronics, and bottom of the barrel resale.

Nothing has changed after all these years. That's why used Maseratis are basically worthless, especially pre-facelift QPs with the CambioCorsa transmission. The ZF 6AT in the newer models was considerably better.

I hate seeing Maserati turn into Porsche.

So you'd rather see Maserati not be successful?

Porsche has gone from near-bankruptcy (pre-986) to the most profitable automaker. After all these years, the 911 is still the industry standard for a $100k+ exotic. Their sportscars are the benchmark in every segment they compete in.

(Interesting story about how Toyota helped Porsche out of bankruptcy: http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/20/business/putting-porsche-in-the-pink.html?pagewanted=all)

People line up years in advance for models that aren't even out yet and pay over MSRP. Perfect example is the 911R. MSRP? $200k. Current market price? $750k-1m. Even used 991.1 GT3s go for over MSRP used.

Maserati? Dealers can't even get invoice for their cars.

Heck, there are now about two new QP's and a new Ghibli - just on my street.
Well, they're basically handing them out for peanuts.

It's common to get $10-15k off a Ghlibi without even trying. QPs? $30k off.

Try getting a new Porsche for that cheap. You'll get laughed off the lot.

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The major issue with Maserati is Fiat's lack of effort. If you're competing with the established marques, why are the Dodge RAM/Dart trim pieces so obvious!?

I can't think of a single reason to buy a new QP over a S-Class or Audi A/S8 for the same price.

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1. A 2013 Maserati has a nice, depreciated value, but it's still $50k... I would never do donuts in one.

2. Have you ever been in a 2003-2012 Quattroporte? We happen to own a Neiman Marcus edition (2005), and it's a fantastic car that drives better than most of today's cars. Saying that the car simply isn't good is a bit ignorant. I'm not denying their lack of reliability, but you have to consider their performance.

3. Simple: they are making Maseratis cheaper and more appealing to the younger, hipper crowds of today. Maserati wants their cars to be more trendy and opened up to a wider audience. A 2005 QP was a very exclusive car; today's QPs are like a Porsche or BMW. They aren't too special and they appeal to younger people who have some money (but not as much as it would have taken to have purchased a QP back in the day). Do I want Maserati to not do well? Of course I wouldn't wish that upon them. However, their current cars are not as special as they used to be, and I am really not impressed by their designs. I'd rather drive a 2013 model (used) than a new model of QP.
[doublepost=1469781183][/doublepost]Couple pictures of our new (old) 2005 Crown Vic! Armor-alled the dash and door panels, put leather cleaner on the rear seats (whether or not it's real leather), and cleaned up the interior a bit. Soon, I will take that ugly dash trim (which would be wood grain on the higher-end models) and paint it white, like the exterior of the car. I think it would be a nice touch. Door panels would need it as well, but each panel is one entire piece.

(Sorry for the bad picture. Another car was in front of this thing, and I was also trying not to get our license plate in the photo. Next time, I'll bring the car out in the open for a proper photoshoot, where I blur-out the license plate in post.)
 

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Porsche dealer will also laugh at you, albeit discreetly, if you choose to lease their cars. They have a very high credit requirement and make the lease deal awful to compel people to finance the car. I've always been of the opinion that if you're interested in a Porsche, it means you can afford it and aren't going to dilly dally around and waste a salesperson's time.

People were putting aftermarket exhaust systems on those Range Rovers and made them even loud. There's videos out there with Supersprint or Akrapovic exhaust systems. Both of which are known to boost sound to very high levels. Most RRs I've seen aren't the sport models with the loud exhausts, but the other ones. I don't follow RR at all, so I can't really comment. At one point in the mid-2000s, it was the definitive mommy car in SoCal, I imagine because the heathen, Paris Hilton, owned one and everyone thought that was amazing.

Anyway, I have a airbag change out for the Lexus scheduled sometime in November or December, and the Mercs later on. I did almost get t-boned by a FR-S/BRZ today while I was driving home from work. Some idiot blew a red light. Thankfully I wasn't hit, even though it means I could have forgone the airbag recall and gotten paid out by the insurance company. Strange high hopes aside, it would have likely severely injured me. I'm not a religious person by any means, but I'm incredibly thankful the kids weren't with me either.
 
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Porsche dealer will also laugh at you, albeit discreetly, if you choose to lease their cars. They have a very high credit requirement and make the lease deal awful to compel people to finance the car. I've always been of the opinion that if you're interested in a Porsche, it means you can afford it and aren't going to dilly dally around and waste a salesperson's time.

People were putting aftermarket exhaust systems on those Range Rovers and made them even loud. There's videos out there with Supersprint or Akrapovic exhaust systems. Both of which are known to boost sound to very high levels. Most RRs I've seen aren't the sport models with the loud exhausts, but the other ones. I don't follow RR at all, so I can't really comment. At one point in the mid-2000s, it was the definitive mommy car in SoCal, I imagine because the heathen, Paris Hilton, owned one and everyone thought that was amazing.

Anyway, I have a airbag change out for the Lexus scheduled sometime in November or December, and the Mercs later on. I did almost get t-boned by a FR-S/BRZ today while I was driving home from work. Some idiot blew a red light. Thankfully I wasn't hit, even though it means I could have forgone the airbag recall and gotten paid out by the insurance company. Strange high hopes aside, it would have likely severely injured me. I'm not a religious person by any means, but I'm incredibly thankful the kids weren't with me either.

Porsche/Audi has some of the worst lease deals I've ever seen. I don't think I'd ever lease a car, but if I did it certainly wouldn't be one of those. Land Rover has a bunch of 7500 mile lease deals... Ridiculous.

I'd say here in New England it's roughly 50/50 SCV6 vs. SCV8 (with the loud exhaust) on the Range Rover Sport. I feel like 80% of the 4th gen big daddy Range Rovers have the SCV8 which I think have a quieter exhaust than the Sport, except maybe the SV Autobio trim which I have yet to see on anything but a sport.

Sorry to hear about your car (GL?). My sister likely just got her 2014 RAV4 limited t-boned by a dodge pickup who was found to be 100% at fault. She is graduating as an Oral Surgeon, so maybe she'll be looking to upgrade anyways.
 
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Wow. Had no idea about LR Leases. Mazda does a 9 or 10K lease, right in line with when rust sets in.

The issue with the trend of sport exhaust is that as a new owner, it's quite nice, but while you're chuntering on the highway it does get annoying. If I had another midlife crisis and made the financial mistake of purchasing an F Type R, I'd love it at first but then grow annoyed with the exhaust. It's a common sense and age thing, the older you get, the more common sense you have and thus find it annoying. I can't find the info, but the V8 we're talking about isn't the SVR trim engine, is it?

GL, yes, and no, I wasn't hit. I saw the idiot racing down and stomped on the breaks just in time. There was possibly a half foot gap between the nose of his POS and the nose of my car. Had I kept going he'd have slammed right into the passenger side door. Quite sorry to hear about your sister. I hope she's alright. Maxillofacial? Very impressive! Life changing surgeons they are. I had a similar incident a few years ago driving a rental car in Austin while on business. A pizza delivery driver nearly driving into the nose of the rental. I'd estimate he or she was traveling in excess of 50 MPH. I'd made a wrong turn into a residential area.

I want to say the age of loud or factory tuned exhausts started with Infiniti's FX series back in 2003-2004. When you heard that exhaust note, you knew it was an Infinity. I believe the same system was used for the then G35 Coupe and or sedan as well. There was a period of high Infiniti purchase among youth, but that figure weaned off as Infiniti's quality degraded over time. I can't imagine why anyone would buy one these days.
 

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In all honesty, I see the Charger and Caprice as being the serious contenders for the police market these days, and what I see on the road confirms this. I haven't seen a lot of Caprices on the road, but the Chargers are everywhere.

Caprice will go away next year when Holden shuts down their production plant in 2017.
 

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Caprice will go away next year when Holden shuts down their production plant in 2017.

Unfortunately yes...I've been tossing around the idea of ordering a Chevy SS. I don't normally "do" new cars, but used ones are basically non-existent and when they do turn up they never have a manual trans.
 

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The Chevy SS is due for a more powerful engine though, isn't it? It's the perfect sleeper car, especially if you debadge it except for the Chevy symbol on the back. I haven't had the pleasure of seeing one yet. Or I have and didn't notice it.
 

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Unfortunately yes...I've been tossing around the idea of ordering a Chevy SS. I don't normally "do" new cars, but used ones are basically non-existent and when they do turn up they never have a manual trans.
You should've bought one a few weeks ago

http://youwheel.com/home/2016/07/06/huge-discount-2016-chevrolet-ss-now-20-off-msrp/

http://www.ssforums.com/forum/chevy...186-new-2015-chevrolet-ss-25-off-sticker.html

If there are any left, I'm sure you can get a smoking good deal one! And don't forget the pink shift knob and hawaiian seat covers!
 

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If there are any left, I'm sure you can get a smoking good deal one! (And don't forget the pink shift knob and hawaiian seat covers!

I need to find a girl friend before I can get the Hawaiian seat covers

As an aside, I can't seem to find any inventory locally.

The manual trans. is a non-negotiable option for me, but I'm not married to the color selections I'd made.
 
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The Chevy SS is due for a more powerful engine though, isn't it? It's the perfect sleeper car, especially if you debadge it except for the Chevy symbol on the back. I haven't had the pleasure of seeing one yet. Or I have and didn't notice it.

No, the rumor of it gaining the LS9 as a sendoff was debunked.

The Chevy SS is a Holden Commodore( where the Chevy Caprice PPV is a Holden Statesmen on the LWB version of the Zeta platform). Both will be going away in 2017 due to GM closing Holden's manufacturing plant. And when that plant dies, so does the platform/vehicles along with it.
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I need to find a girl friend before I can get the Hawaiian seat covers

As an aside, I can't seem to find any inventory locally.

The manual trans. is a non-negotiable option for me, but I'm not married to the color selections I'd made.

From the start, GM planned the SS to be pretty much a built to order vehicle. It wasn't meant to be stocked up on dealers lots. So if you want one, you'll most likely have to order it.
 

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No, the rumor of it gaining the LS9 as a sendoff was debunked.

The Chevy SS is a Holden Commodore( where the Chevy Caprice PPV is a Holden Statesmen on the LWB version of the Zeta platform). Both will be going away in 2017 due to GM closing Holden's manufacturing plant. And when that plant dies, so does the platform/vehicles along with it.
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From the start, GM planned the SS to be pretty much a built to order vehicle. It wasn't meant to be stocked up on dealers lots. So if you want one, you'll most likely have to order it.

Well, I did manage to find a manual semi-locally in "Slipstream Metallic Blue". Like I said, that's not my preferred color but I could live with it. Looks like I might need to move fast.
 

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Porsche dealer will also laugh at you, albeit discreetly, if you choose to lease their cars. They have a very high credit requirement and make the lease deal awful to compel people to finance the car.

Yeah, Porsche (and Audi) leases are pretty awful. This is usually because they aren't subsidized like BMW or Mercedes-Benz leases. More often than not, you end up with positive equity at the end of your lease. That being said, I don't understand why anyone would lease a Porsche.

For example, a lightly equipped Cayenne V6 ($70-75k MSRP) is usually around $1200 or so. An X5 can be leased for $600-700 for a decently equipped 35i. A loaded 50i (N63) can be had for $800-900. Significantly less than the Porsche.

I've seen people lease BMW 550xis for less than a decently equipped Audi A6 3.0T.

I've always been of the opinion that if you're interested in a Porsche, it means you can afford it and aren't going to dilly dally around and waste a salesperson's time
I'd agree with you on this. You have to really want the Porsche to pay double.

I guess the upside to all of this is that Porsche (and Audi) resale stays strong since VAG is not artificially boosting residuals. Same with Range Rovers. RR/RRS leases are absurd.
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Sorry to hear about your car (GL?). My sister likely just got her 2014 RAV4 limited t-boned by a dodge pickup who was found to be 100% at fault. She is graduating as an Oral Surgeon, so maybe she'll be looking to upgrade anyways.

Oh my! I hope she is ok!

If she's looking to upgrade, might I suggest a Lexus ES350? Quiet, reliable, deceptively fast (that powerful V6!), classy design, and sporty looks (especially with the rear lip spoiler)

Maybe you can hook me up with a date with your sister and we can go buy an ES together. Smart and beautiful. I think an ES is most fitting for her!

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2. Have you ever been in a 2003-2012 Quattroporte? We happen to own a Neiman Marcus edition (2005), and it's a fantastic car that drives better than most of today's cars. Saying that the car simply isn't good is a bit ignorant. I'm not denying their lack of reliability, but you have to consider their performance.

Not really ignorant. I'm just stating facts. The last-gen QP was a mediocre car... at best.

I wouldn't say it really drives better than most of today's cars. It doesn't. Even when that QP came out, there were plenty of better cars from Audi/BMW/Mercedes-Benz. (Specifically AMG/RS/M cars)

I'm beginning to think that you haven't had much exposure to different cars, especially when you speak so highly of a lackluster car.

3. Simple: they are making Maseratis cheaper and more appealing to the younger, hipper crowds of today. Maserati wants their cars to be more trendy and opened up to a wider audience. A 2005 QP was a very exclusive car; today's QPs are like a Porsche or BMW. They aren't too special and they appeal to younger people who have some money (but not as much as it would have taken to have purchased a QP back in the day).

Um... have you ever priced out a modern Porsche? There is nothing "mainstream" about their price tag.

I agree with your assessment that BMWs aren't very special anymore, but Porsche? That just shows you really have no idea what you're talking about.

"A 2005 QP was a very exclusive car" - I think that had to do with their lack of a dealer network at the time. Even in 2005, Maserati dealers were struggling to sell their cars. A 2005 QP is worth pennies these days. Hardly exclusive as you state.

Do I want Maserati to not do well? Of course I wouldn't wish that upon them. However, their current cars are not as special as they used to be, and I am really not impressed by their designs. I'd rather drive a 2013 model (used) than a new model of QP.

Tbh, the Ghlibi is a damn good looking car, but preferring a 2013 QP over more modern cars? That's crazy, especially when you could get a 2013 F10 M5 or W212 E63 AMG. Both are better cars in every possible way.
 
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For example, a lightly equipped Cayenne V6 ($70-75k MSRP) is usually around $1200 or so. An X5 can be leased for $600-700 for a decently equipped 35i. A loaded 50i (N63) can be had for $800-900. Significantly less than the Porsche.

I've seen people lease BMW 550xis for less than a decently equipped Audi A6 3.0T.

I haven't paid attention to BMW finance ads lately but BMW has always been known to strike a good dealer or send you to a broker who'll get you the car you want. The M5s in most cases can be had for under 1K/month. When you consider what you're getting and how BMW loves to under-rate their performance, you get an idea of what you can get for your money.

'd agree with you on this. You have to really want the Porsche to pay double.

I guess the upside to all of this is that Porsche (and Audi) resale stays strong since VAG is not artificially boosting residuals.

Correct. If you're not concerned about having a new one, you can get a fantastic 997.1/2 for around 50-55K right now, which is a fantastic price and often they've only been drive 15-20K miles. You can get a late model 997 Turbo for about 13K more, from the Porsche dealer no less. I think that's a steal for anyone looking into getting a Porsche but not wanting to base 100K for a base and then some.

The 996 Turbo is gaining value at the moment and it'll be a hot commodity car in the near future. I'm not a fan of the sunny side up egg headlights, but there are people who like them.

Anyway, I've always been dead set on owning a 930 Slant Nose. They cost a small fortune in terms of used collector car, and I'm sure values will increase as time goes by. A Porsche buyer, new at least, has always been a specific type of individual. Porsche knows this, they've stated it themselves. It's why they're not standard crazy like the other Germans or whomever. There are Porsche options that leave me questioning who would pay for them.

Maybe you can hook me up with a date with your sister

Smooth.... operator. How's your airbag recall coming along? I was at a couple dealerships last weekend and the entire situation is a **** show. You could hear screaming from the mechanics bays of customers cussing out the service techs. It's half amusing and half sad that this kind of mistake can happen. I'm sure they knew and prayed it wouldn't be found out.



My chest had been bothering me all morning. I took a look earlier and there's some bruising here and there. As much as I hate the auto latching of seat belts (or whatever it's called), I'm thankful for it. Anyway, I'm really interested to see the next M5.
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Well, I did manage to find a manual semi-locally in "Slipstream Metallic Blue". Like I said, that's not my preferred color but I could live with it. Looks like I might need to move fast.
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That's a shame. Looks like the Taurus and Escape will be the next icon cop cars. They look to normal, though.

I have no idea where in LA you are, but the majority of departments near me are slowly moving toward Chargers. The concept of retro muscle cars and modern safety design makes rear and side visibility a PITA. Cops I've spoken to like the Crown Vic or Caprice because the cars drive as if they glide on air and they're not tired at the end of a shift.
 
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The M5s in most cases can be had for under 1K/month.

Yeah, they're a decent deal. The M5 is a great car to lease since they suffer high depreciation.

Few years ago, you could lease an E92 M3 for <$600/month and F01 7 ActiveHybrids for <$750/month. If you time it right, BMW leases can be great values.

The 996 Turbo is gaining value at the moment and it'll be a hot commodity car in the near future. I'm not a fan of the sunny side up egg headlights, but there are people who like them.

I personally hate the 996. Hideous looking car, but I'm sure their values will skyrocket soon. 993s are going through the roof now.

A Porsche buyer, new at least, has always been a specific type of individual. Porsche knows this, they've stated it themselves. It's why they're not standard crazy like the other Germans or whomever. There are Porsche options that leave me questioning who would pay for them.

Ahh yes. The crazy Porsche options list.

Leather covered air vents, rear-view mirror, steering column, fuse box cover, the seat backs of the sport seats, inner door sills, inside the glove box etc. Also don't forget the optional deviated stitching for that leather! :cool:

If I ever do end up getting a Macan, I think the only custom options I would opt for would be the contrast seat belts and the embossed Porsche crests into the headrests.

I guess it's cool that they give you the choice to do whatever you want, but man, do they charge you for the privilege.

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Smooth.... operator. How's your airbag recall coming along? I was at a couple dealerships last weekend and the entire situation is a **** show.

You basically described my situation. No one knows what's going on.
 
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I'm still trying to work my head around painted air vents and leather covered vents. The new RAV4 interior is quite nice. I have a feeling, as I've said this before, that Toyota will borrow from Lexus and include more basic luxury in their cars. Honda have shot themselves in the foot by rolling out CVT in all their cars. On any day, you can go to a Honda dealership and see people look at the cars, take a test drive and say sayonara to the salesmen. The Corolla is the only CVT equipped car in Toyota's US offerings right now, IIRC.

Actually I wanted to ask you something. What's with Lexus using a turbo in the IS series? I have no idea how long the turbos have been in Lexus, but it seems interesting that the 200t is pushing out considerable powder for its engine. Is there indication of Lexus using forced induction in more cars? They have a few models now making more power than their naturally aspirated predecessors, but I'd like to see more power. IS350t pushing out 375 HP would be nice.
 

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I'm still trying to work my head around painted air vents and leather covered vents. The new RAV4 interior is quite nice. I have a feeling, as I've said this before, that Toyota will borrow from Lexus and include more basic luxury in their cars.
I think it's a great idea. Hyundai has really stepped up their game by bringing so many luxury features into the Elantra and Sonata. Toyota needs to do the same with the Camry and Corolla (an ancient car now)

The Corolla is the only CVT equipped car in Toyota's US offerings right now, IIRC.
Corolla and the various Hybrids I think?

Actually I wanted to ask you something. What's with Lexus using a turbo in the IS series? I have no idea how long the turbos have been in Lexus, but it seems interesting that the 200t is pushing out considerable powder for its engine.

I'm glad they finally got rid of the old 2.5 V6 in the IS250. That engine was awful.

http://www.caranddriver.com/lexus/is
http://www.caranddriver.com/audi/a4
http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/3-series

It seems like the new 2.0T is pretty underwhelming. We actually don't get the IS200t in the Northeast because it can't be mated to AWD. Instead, Lexus sells us the IS300 AWD, which is just the detuned 3.5 V6 from the IS350.

The BMW and Audi 2.0Ts make far more power and are more economical. Definitely a step in the right direction though!

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Is there indication of Lexus using forced induction in more cars? They have a few models now making more power than their naturally aspirated predecessors, but I'd like to see more power. IS350t pushing out 375 HP would be nice.

@A.Goldberg brought this up recently too.

The 2GR-FSE (3.5 V6) has been around for ages. Even Infiniti has a 400hp twin-turbo V6 in the Q50 Red Sport!

Thankfully, there are rumors that Lexus has been working on a V6TT and V8TT for the upcoming LS flagship.
 
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Hmm, I recall hearing 7.2 sec. quoted for the 0-60 on the Lexus. I'm not sure about C&D's 0-60 because they use a weird method of measuring 0-60, they begin the time when the car begins rolling from a stop. Or was that Motortrend? The Audi isn't surprising, since it's all wheel drive. Their GS F could do with a TT engine. That thing sorely need a powerful engine. The GS is the odd car of the Lexus line, but at that price point with said feature point and lousy power level, it's no wonder dealers can't seem to give them away.
 

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Hmm, I recall hearing 7.2 sec. quoted for the 0-60 on the Lexus. I'm not sure about C&D's 0-60 because they use a weird method of measuring 0-60, they begin the time when the car begins rolling from a stop. Or was that Motortrend?

Yeah, I think they all do a rolling start or brake-torque off the line.

Their GS F could do with a TT engine. That thing sorely need a powerful engine.

I think the GS-F just shows us how lazy Lexus has become recently. They didn't even bother coming up with a new engine for their flagship sports sedan. Instead, they use the same damn 2UR-GSE 5.0 V8 from the 2008 ISF.
 
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