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Don't forget using the seats from the RC F. Non Lexus related, I'm shocked at how ****** the Alfa Giulia looks on the inside. There's a massive disconnect in quality at various points of the cabin. From the promo pics from last year, I expected some more refinement. It's like a 3 series and a Mazda 3 mated, and had a child. A ginger child.
 

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Don't forget using the seats from the RC F. Non Lexus related, I'm shocked at how ****** the Alfa Giulia looks on the inside. There's a massive disconnect in quality at various points of the cabin. From the promo pics from last year, I expected some more refinement. It's like a 3 series and a Mazda 3 mated, and had a child. A ginger child.
FCA
 

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Non Lexus related, I'm shocked at how ****** the Alfa Giulia looks on the inside. There's a massive disconnect in quality at various points of the cabin.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-11-important-questions-feature

Much is impressive, but, to return to the original question of completion, we did find a surprising number of electrical idiosyncrasies in the cars we drove there, from freezing display screens to an unprompted engine-management light. We also found that the interior trim did little to debunk all those stereotypes about the quality of Italian manufacturing, with some cheap-feeling switchgear and a center console that deflected under gentle pressure.

FCA will never learn. Sexy styling is not enough when you are trying to compete with M3s and C63s
 

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Ah yes, the famed PDK launch video. Most DCTs will last a long time and take quite a bit of abuse before they break, far more than a traditional manual. TBH, I know I was complaining about loud exhausts with Goldberg last night or this morning, but I'd still buy the E63 wagon. Yes, Merc exhausts are loud at that level, but it's more beefier, more gut-clench inducing. There's just something about beefy, low exhausts like that you hear while driving that cause endorphins to release, adrenaline to be dumped and a temporary rise in testosterone. I'd take that low grumble and massive power over a high pitched, high revving engine from the likes of Italy any day of the week. Plus, there's better reliability with a German than Italian car. I'm sure you're old enough to know the running gag on Alfas and Fiats that stretches back at least four to five decades. Usually about them being repaired often.
 

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I need to find a girl friend before I can get the Hawaiian seat covers
Darn Ben here you traumatize me again today!

You basically described my situation. No one knows what's going on
I know what's up. They're dragging their heels so that people will eventually dump the cars and they won't have to pay for it.

2. Have you ever been in a 2003-2012 Quattroporte? We happen to own a Neiman Marcus edition (2005), and it's a fantastic car that drives better than most of today's cars. Saying that the car simply isn't good is a bit ignorant. I'm not denying their lack of reliability, but you have to consider their performance.
Sorry, the greatest car that ever lived was the last generation Daewoo Lanos, some say it was the "the perfect car in every way".
 
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TBH, I know I was complaining about loud exhausts with Goldberg last night or this morning, but I'd still buy the E63 wagon. Yes, Merc exhausts are loud at that level, but it's more beefier, more gut-clench inducing.

I quite like the sound of the E63. Doesn't sound obnoxious like the Range Rovers.

 

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As a bit of an update on the SS...

I called the dealer that listed a "slipstream metallic blue" and called the transmission a "6 speed." I guess you know what happens when you assume, but when I see "6 speed" or whatever number of gears in the transmission description box, I assume it's a manual.

After dealing with all the car salesman crap, I asked about the trans. just to be sure and was told it was a 6 speed "paddle shift." I basically tried to cut off the salesman and say that's a make/break option for me. I was then treated to a speil about how if I wanted a manual transmission they had a "wonderful" Chevy Cruze with a 6 speed manual on the lot "in the same color even" and that he could get me a great deal on it since so few people come in looking for a manual.

I know that dealers want to make a sale at all costs, but if you get a call from someone looking for a(relatively speaking) rare sports sedan/performance car with a specific transmission option I don't know how you jump to trying to sell them on an econobox based on the transmission preference.

By the way, speaking of good/bad exhaust-I got passed by an E30 M3 the other day that had a 3" fart can hanging off the back of it. I heard the car coming up behind me and thought it was a Civic-no one should do that to an M3!

Exhausts are always under discussion in the MG community and there's only so much you can do to make an I-4 sound good. With that said, I'm running a repro factory "2 can" exhaust on my car and it has a nice low frequency growl without being obnoxiously loud. I've been around cars that were only running one of the cans of the factory set up, and that tends to not sound bad either(although each can puts its own "signature" on the exhaust note). Fortunately I've not encountered a far can.
 
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I quite like the sound of the E63. Doesn't sound obnoxious like the Range Rovers.

Ahhh yes, the man-Van/soccer-dad vehicle of Brookline, Newton, and Wellesley :rolleyes:

Soccer moms only get the E350 :(
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As a bit of an update on the SS...

I called the dealer that listed a "slipstream metallic blue" and called the transmission a "6 speed." I guess you know what happens when you assume, but when I see "6 speed" or whatever number of gears in the transmission description box, I assume it's a manual.

After dealing with all the car salesman crap, I asked about the trans. just to be sure and was told it was a 6 speed "paddle shift." I basically tried to cut off the salesman and say that's a make/break option for me. I was then treated to a speil about how if I wanted a manual transmission they had a "wonderful" Chevy Cruze with a 6 speed manual on the lot "in the same color even" and that he could get me a great deal on it since so few people come in looking for a manual.

I know that dealers want to make a sale at all costs, but if you get a call from someone looking for a(relatively speaking) rare sports sedan/performance car with a specific transmission option I don't know how you jump to trying to sell them on an econobox based on the transmission preference.

It's not a CRUZE, it's just badged as one. Three words: Daewoo Lacetti Premier. key word: Daewoo.

Does GM have a search function online to locate models within dealers? Hopefully with the search being specific enough to search for the manual?

Or just buy the auto if you love it and put in a stick down the road.

Or buy a Daewoo Lacetti Premier.
 
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Ahhh yes, the man-Van/soccer-dad vehicle of Brookline, Newton, and Wellesley :rolleyes:

Please respect the best soccer-dad mobile!

Those carbon ceramic brakes show everyone you mean business :cool:

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It's not a CRUZE, it's just badged as one. Three words: Daewoo Lacetti Premier. key word: Daewoo.

They're gorgeous! Who doesn't want a Lacetti Premier?

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Please respect the best soccer-dad mobile!

Those carbon ceramic brakes show everyone you mean business :cool:

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The chastity belt Mercedes. The husband wants to buy a sedan or coupe, the wife is afraid he will pick up a younger woman. The Wagon body style instantly sends the message of "I'm married, have 2-3 children, a dog, a Guinea pig, and I'm super lame and go to bed at 8:00" therefore detracting the younger women.
[doublepost=1469846562][/doublepost]I believe one of our fellow townfolk has a E63 with the ceramic brakes if I remember correctly. You've gotta be safe! For the children!
 

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I believe one of our fellow townfolk has a E63 with the ceramic brakes if I remember correctly. You've gotta be safe! For the children!
The white one on my side of town has the carbon ceramics. The yellow calipers stick out like a sore thumb.
 

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I'm still trying to work my head around painted air vents and leather covered vents. The new RAV4 interior is quite nice. I have a feeling, as I've said this before, that Toyota will borrow from Lexus and include more basic luxury in their cars. Honda have shot themselves in the foot by rolling out CVT in all their cars. On any day, you can go to a Honda dealership and see people look at the cars, take a test drive and say sayonara to the salesmen. The Corolla is the only CVT equipped car in Toyota's US offerings right now, IIRC.

Actually I wanted to ask you something. What's with Lexus using a turbo in the IS series? I have no idea how long the turbos have been in Lexus, but it seems interesting that the 200t is pushing out considerable powder for its engine. Is there indication of Lexus using forced induction in more cars? They have a few models now making more power than their naturally aspirated predecessors, but I'd like to see more power. IS350t pushing out 375 HP would be nice.
The CVT in my sisters Accord is pretty decent. Still not a fan of it but I would daily drive it.

The turbo in the is200t is the first turbo in one of their cars. The nx200t CUV was the first lexus to use this engine and the first lexus to have a turbo. There are good sources saying Lexus should be releasing a twin turbo v6/v8 for the LC-F. I am assuming a detune version will arrive in the 2018 LS (dont see them using the same 4.6 liter v8).

Also, lexus must be developing a new engine for their next IS redesign. I cant see them using the same v6 from 2006 in the 2019 model.
 

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As for Crown Vics, I actually still see 'em around. I wonder how long it will take for people to stop recognizing a Crown Vic as a cop car. Could take another 10 years.
 
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Uh, so a hard core version of the LC500?
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I know what's up. They're dragging their heels so that people will eventually dump the cars and they won't have to pay for it.

How? Selling privately means sacrificing quite a bit of dough.

I quite like the sound of the E63. Doesn't sound obnoxious like the Range Rovers.

Precisely why I plan on getting it once the new E class allows for it. It's inconspicuous, it's fast and I can haul quite a lot in it.

By the way, speaking of good/bad exhaust-I got passed by an E30 M3 the other day that had a 3" fart can hanging off the back of it. I heard the car coming up behind me and thought it was a Civic-no one should do that to an M3!

Heard a Maxima on the highway a few months ago with an F1 style exhaust system. You hear that and you assume Italian sports car. No, just a crappy Japanese car.

Ahhh yes, the man-Van/soccer-dad vehicle of Brookline, Newton, and Wellesley :rolleyes:

Soccer moms only get the E350 :(

Really? That popular with men? Hmm, interesting. The purchase of it is incredibly sensible compared to a new GL/GLS. Plus, it looks better. I'll probably sell off the GL once the airbags get swapped out to, use the money towards the E63 and then pay the rest of the balance in 12-18 months. Drive the car for 3, maybe three and a half years, and get a sedan when my kids are older.

I'll probably forgo the ceramic brake system. I just can't see myself using them to their capacity. Will likely go with the exterior lighting system because California drivers are often bad and can't make out lights when cars are darkly colored.
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That looks horrible. Whoever the designer is, he loves gaping grills. Probably projection of some fetish.
 

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BTW, I wonder how long it will take for people to stop recognizing a Crown Vic as a cop car. Could take another 10 years. If we all want people to drive better next to us, I guess we'd have to get a Taurus or Escape later on (or Charger)! ;)

Probably never! They D/C'ed the Crown Vic because it dated back to the early 1990's. They were slow by the end vs. normal cars, had poor gas mileage, and were overall just very dated--- especially considering the Dodge Charger had come out. Here in the northeast they were the cop-car of choice but preformed horribly in the snow with AWD.

I do think Ford was a little short sighted with their switch to the Taurus. The Crown Vic/Police Interceptor was also the Lincoln Towncar. That one platform single handedly controlled the police, taxi, and livery fleet markets. When they dropped the Crown Vic I'm not sure they really had a solid option of vehicles for these fleet markets. Most taxis are Japenese hybrids, most police cars are split between ford, dodge, and Chevy. The livery services have seemed to primarily switched to Cadillac XTS's, Yukon/Tahoes, or Chrysler 300C's.

I think Ford assumed most departments would switch to the EXPLORER (aka Police Interceptor X, not Escape). The Crown Vic was already getting small to carry all the equipt cops carry these days (a lot more medical equipt than they did 20 years ago). The main complaint on the Taurus is that it's too small inside. And there is the question of reliability and ease of repairs- no more body on frame design and now you have complex AWD + turbocharged engines in most models vs. a nice pushrod V8.

The local police here has Ford Explorers and Taurus. The Taurus honestly just look so dinky and not serious. Down the street Boston PD went with the Chevy Caprices. I wonder if any of them have the 6.0 V8.
 
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Uh, so a hard core version of the LC500?
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Yep. There was someone high up in Lexus that basically confirmed a LC-F was coming. How soon? No idea. I just wished they would put that v10 from the LF-A in another car. But I guess they want to keep it exclusive sigh.
 

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Yep. There was someone high up in Lexus that basically confirmed a LC-F was coming. How soon? No idea. I just wished they would put that v10 from the LF-A in another car. But I guess they want to keep it exclusive sigh.
To confirm, do you mean LC F or LC500 F? I'm assuming the former.
 

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Lexus has so much potential but they fail to live up to it and half-ass everything. The RC F could have been something special if they didn't use such a garbage engine. Props to them for staying with a N/A engine but everyone went FI so you're already losing. Same with the GS F. If they dedicated a platform for it instead of mixing and matching (front/rear axles), it would have been a better performer.

If you're looking for a solid car, Lexus should still be considered but don't look for it to be competitive or standout in anyway against Cadillac, BMW, Audi or Mercedes.
 
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means sacrificing quite a bit of dough.
I think you misunderstood. It's pretty common recalls that pop up, particularly on older vehicles, the manufacturer drags its feet on producing/stocking the revised part(s). Then owners forget about the recall or stop pursing it, or they sell the car and the new owner is not aware. Additionally, the more time that goes by, the more cars are totaled, are retired, etc. Then the manufacturer can avoid having to spend as much money on the recall the more they can stall it. Given the high cost of airbag replacements, I'd expect you'll be waiting.

Really? That popular with men? Hmm, interesting.
I think I've only seen one woman driving an E-Wagon AMG, but that was in CT. Most AMG's in general I see driven by men.

Interestingly, in my area most of the Audi S4's I see are driven by middle aged women. Peculiar choice IMO.
 
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