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A lot of people actually. In fact, they're thriving right now unlike many auto companies.
My father bought a Range Rover Sport 2-3 years ago and still drives it daily. As you would expect, it doesn't have the best reliability or gas mileage but it's a cool car nonetheless. It's the HSE LUX version with the naturally aspirated V8 not quite as quick as the Supercharged. It's doesn't have the same quality as a real Range Range Rover but feel much more agile. As a back seat passenger I particularly comfortable- no head room, overly firm seats, and a rough ride. The trunk and fuel tank is small for the size of the car. Driving it is fantastic though- the seats, the power, the commanding view, and the well finished interior. Unfortunately, I don't get the opportunity to drive it often.
I'd say it fairs quite well with the competition. It's one of the few SUV's out there with good on road dynamics while retaining off road prowess. The RRS, Cayenne, and Q7 are the few left that have AWD standard. The Cayenne is the only other car in it's class I can think of that offers a low range transfer case. The RR is the only vehicle stock with a V8.
Years ago he owned a 2000 Range Rover 4.6 HSE. It was an utter piece of garbage. It was so terrible he kept it for just 2 years and took a massive hit on the depreciation. While in theory he liked it, it spent almost as much time in the shop as it did on the road. The repairs were covered under warranty but the hassle of constant little repairs was the end of it. Since than reliability (and resale) seems to have improved substantially.
Pretty design, though I guess I'd look at something in the Elise line (I believe prices are comparible) if I wanted an ultra-lightweight go kart kind of ride[?]
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I had a '98 Disco II (V8), ran well for the couple of years I owned it (wound up, er, "giving" it away to a woman, long complicated story - so no idea about longevity).
The Q5 will always cost more than a Tiguan.
The Tiguan is not comparable with the Q5 at all.
If anything, the Tuareg might be closer in cost.
Where do you live ?
A Tiguan costing more than a Q5 doesn't make any sense.
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I mixed up the names. I meant the Touareg. Stupid names
Well, with the Tuareg, prices are going to be similar, the exact prices will depend on trim level and add-ons.
The Tuareg is larger than the Q5, but will not have the same luxury options and engine options.
To get an idea of the base prices for each, go to edmunds.com.
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Are you sure about the Touareg being larger than the Q5? It looks smaller to me. Here the starting price for the Touareg is $52,137 and for the Q5 it's $46,299.
I mixed up the names. I meant the Touareg. Really stupid names
Way to insult an entire nation of people!
The Touareg is named after the once nomadic Tuareg Tribe in North Africa, known for their long and grueling migrations over the Sahara desert. I imagine the "o" was added in Touareg to make it a play on words of sorts, containing the word "tour".
The Tiguan on the other hand, yes that is a "really stupid name". It's a hybrid of the words tiger and leugan in German, meaning "tiger" and "iguana", respectively.
Way to insult an entire nation of people!
The Touareg is named after the once nomadic Tuareg Tribe in North Africa, known for their long and grueling migrations over the Sahara desert. I imagine the "o" was added in Touareg to make it a play on words of sorts, containing the word "tour".
The Tiguan on the other hand, yes that is a "really stupid name". It's a hybrid of the words tiger and leugan in German, meaning "tiger" and "iguana", respectively.
Still, stupid names for cars
Sorry, I didn't think it would add to anything that's why I did not be specific. Anyway, "here" is the UAE.
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If the smaller size of the Q5 is not an issue, than the Q5 would be my choice. It's more luxury than the Tuareg.
The Tuareg is more of a utility vehicle than the Q5.
Besides, both are good SUVs, so pick whatever you like better.
Do a test drive.
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Thank you for your opinion. Do you know why the Q5 is cheaper? I was surprised when I found out the Touareg costs more than the Q5.
Thank you for your opinion. Do you know why the Q5 is cheaper? I was surprised when I found out the Touareg costs more than the Q5.
Probably cause a base Q5 is Front wheel drive with bare minimum options
For the price of them both fully loaded, a 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit 4x4 is a better vehicle
Bingo. He's too hung up on value. Value is one of the last things I look at, especially when I purchased my $92k Audi S7. Maybe I'm an idiot for buying an "unreliable VW," but so be it. The people that shop "true" luxury makers aren't stuck on value. If there were, no $60k+ BMW/Audi/Mercedes would ever get sold.
Just because he buys Acuras and they're cheap, doesn't mean they're any good. They cater to the average Honda buyer looking to "move up" a tad. That's it.
BMW/MB/Audi have been lighting sales charts on fire, even when they nickel-and-dime you for every option. They have no trouble moving cars off lots. Acura? If it isn't a MDX/RDX, good luck with that.
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No. Q5 only shares its platform with other Audis and the Macan.
Touareg is based on the Q7.
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But it's not a Honda, therefore it's unreliable trash!
1. Yes, they're available and for sale.
2. https://4c.alfaromeo.com/en_us/find-dealer
For some reason, Alfa doesn't have a dealer in the Northeast.
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Thriving is an understatement. It is near impossible to get a RR or RRS around here at MSRP. Hell, last time I visited the local RR dealer, there was a 6 month list for the RRS. Not to mention, slightly used RR/RRS are going for near MSRP. Ridiculous.
Apparently they're bringing a diesel RR and RRS to the US soon!
Yup, my choice in this higher end segment is the Cayenne. It is every bit as good as the RR inside and out, even off-road, but you have to spec the correct options.
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Both are fantastic. The Touareg is a little larger and more spacious, whereas the Audi has the better badge and a little smaller inside. Both are available in a diesel, but I'd take the Audi personally... because it comes in the awesome SQ5 variant. The interior on the Audi is slightly better and the in-cabin tech is more up to date too.
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Audi Q5 is not sold in FWD trim ANYWHERE. It is Quattro only.
Debatable. Jeep has terrible reliability and pathetic resale. No thanks.
I must admit that I really do like our current model Mercedes GL. Proper space for all, full airmatic active cornering air suspension makes the thing corner like no full size suv is supposed to. Perfect family car for us and not as common as the rr nor as small as the four seater cayenne.
Bingo. He's too hung up on value. Value is one of the last things I look at, especially when I purchased my $92k Audi S7. Maybe I'm an idiot for buying an "unreliable VW," but so be it. The people that shop "true" luxury makers aren't stuck on value. If there were, no $60k+ BMW/Audi/Mercedes would ever get sold.
Just because he buys Acuras and they're cheap, doesn't mean they're any good. They cater to the average Honda buyer looking to "move up" a tad. That's it.
BMW/MB/Audi have been lighting sales charts on fire, even when they nickel-and-dime you for every option. They have no trouble moving cars off lots. Acura? If it isn't a MDX/RDX, good luck with that.
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No. Q5 only shares its platform with other Audis and the Macan.
Touareg is based on the Q7.
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But it's not a Honda, therefore it's unreliable trash!
1. Yes, they're available and for sale.
2. https://4c.alfaromeo.com/en_us/find-dealer
For some reason, Alfa doesn't have a dealer in the Northeast.
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Thriving is an understatement. It is near impossible to get a RR or RRS around here at MSRP. Hell, last time I visited the local RR dealer, there was a 6 month list for the RRS. Not to mention, slightly used RR/RRS are going for near MSRP. Ridiculous.
Apparently they're bringing a diesel RR and RRS to the US soon!
Yup, my choice in this higher end segment is the Cayenne. It is every bit as good as the RR inside and out, even off-road, but you have to spec the correct options.
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Both are fantastic. The Touareg is a little larger and more spacious, whereas the Audi has the better badge and a little smaller inside. Both are available in a diesel, but I'd take the Audi personally... because it comes in the awesome SQ5 variant. The interior on the Audi is slightly better and the in-cabin tech is more up to date too.
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Audi Q5 is not sold in FWD trim ANYWHERE. It is Quattro only.
Debatable. Jeep has terrible reliability and pathetic resale. No thanks.
Jeep may not have good resale, but, either do the german suv's you are talking about. People who buy the higher end german cars/suv's don't care about resale, if they did they would not buy them. Reliability is ok, I guess, but all of these companies give you free maintence for several years. There are reasons for that, you know what they are! The Japanese cars are the most reliable and hole the highest resale values.
No Bugattis are overpriced, unreliable VW's.
I got stock in Tata shortly after they acquired LR/Jaguar for just under $9 per share in 2008/2009. They finished at $48.28 today.
They've talked about bringing diesels over for years. I'll believe it when I see it. Land Rover has a very different image in Europe than it does in America. I think it's possible they want to maintain their new performance image here by keeping the gas engines. In Europe Land Rovers are still utility vehicles. You can still buy LR4's (Discoveries) stripped down cloth seats and such. Even the MKIII Range Rover and 1st Gen Range Rover Sport up until somewhat recently were available relatively stripped down.
I would argue hands down the Cayenne is the winner for the on road performance in the segment. The Range Rover does have a number of characteristics that I think make it substantially better off-road. Additionally, I think the RR wins the interior segment, but they're still close. In the end though I'd agree the Cayenne is the best car in the segment because no one is taking either of these off-road. I believe the Cayenne also probably better built/better reliability.
I think the Touareg is a better size for me and I'm not solely going to buy a car based on the badge. The Touareg is still regarded as a prestigious car VW badge or not. I do wish they offered better technology though. I also wish VW's website offered information. If you haven't looked their website is garbage!
I have researched both the Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel and Touareg TDI as my next car. In general the Jeep is a better car in most respects, but in my opinion it lacks the European feel of the Touareg, though the Jeep has come lightyears since the previous generation. Reliability has fallen with Mercedes engineering and now Fiat ownership, but I imagine it is still better than VW. The resale is actually better on the Jeep- but it's kind of relative.
Resale value can be tough to determine with Jeeps. The problem is on the Grand Cherokee is you can buy it for $29k base model or $60k on the top end model, and the sales are pretty consistent throughout the spectrum (aside from the SRT8, but the Summit/Overland is popular). When it comes to resale, the models that cost 2x as much new are not going to cost 2x as much used. So really the more you spend, the much worse resale you will have since you have the low end models bringing your price down.
The Touareg resale is brought down by the poor reliability (worse than Jeep) and high german repair costs (way more than Jeeps). I recently saw a 2012 Touareg V6 at a VW dealer for $26,000 with 50,000 miles. At a Jeep Dealer (within the same dealer network) a 2012 Grand Cherokee Laredo (w/cloth, virtually no options) with 36,000 miles was $24,000 and a 2012 Grand Cherokee Laredo with 55,000 (w/leather, nav) was $26,000.
A Grand Cherokee Laredo is still much cheaper than a Touareg. It's not until you get the Limited or Overland versions where you get the better quality leather and dashboard materials.