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A.Goldberg

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Being a person that is frugal with no money you get the cheapest you can get, Cheapest cars, cheapest oil, cheapest Antifreeze, cheapest tyres, cheapest batteries we get DieHard batteries and those are not what you'd call cheap when you have to pay over $100 bucks. Hell I'd throw in a tiny $50 lawn tractor battery in my cars if i could! I don't believe for one second the cold as a thing to do with it. My Daewoo starts ALL the time even when it is 60 below zero ACTUAL tempature outside and the DieHard battery in it right now is going to be 7 years old this August, The battery in the Impala however is 2 years old and already needing a battery charger every week on it. It too is a DieHard battery that cost use almost $200 (650 Cold Cranking Amps my ass) I can get by just fine on a cheaper ($80) battery that has 580 CCA. As my line of logic goes... A Tyre is a Tyre, A battery is a battery, oil is oil. They all work the same and do the same thing

EDIT: A Daewoo is just BADGED a GM in reality is is still Korean (GM just owns Daewoo) and most GM Daewoos are built in Korea and imported to the US and sold as GM rather than Daewoo.

Cold temperatures are absolutely related to shortened battery life. It's basic chemistry. Especially if it's -60 below zero. I could be wrong, but if it's -60 that must include the wind chill. At -60 you'll have problems with gas freezing and oil viscosity issues. Just because I had to the record low in your city was -40 in 1951. Since 2000 the lowest temperature was -26 in 2009.

It sounds like the Impala in this case has something that's causing the battery to drain that the BRP. BRP typically only handles things like dome lights and the light in the glove compartment. Assuming you have nothing plugged into the power outlet which I assume you checked, I know in some cars the BCM is a likely culprit. They manufactured a bazillion impalas so there must be some information out there about the issue.

I'm not sure where the logic is that a all batteries, tires, and oils are the same. From a philosophical point of view, yes. In a practical sense, no. You're telling me there is no difference between a $35 tire vs a $250 snow tire? Yes, they'll get you from point A to B. But the handling and longevity will most definitely be different...

Daewoo are part of GM which means they share parts. Doesn't necessarily matter where they're made. They keep their costs down by recycling the same parts throughout all their cars whenever possible.

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Exactly. And I don't know how many times I've said it here.

I don't think the differentiation was clear, especially with so many conversations going on at once.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Absolutely. Doesn't help either that a Q5 is a family car, as is an E class and by any reasonable argument are fairly large vehicles for a single persons runabout.

Saying that individual variations do apply, I actually find the q5 to have more useable interior space than the q7. But found our 2014 Mercedes GL AMG a much better proposition all round for our main family transport. And that is a family of four.
 

LadyX

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I don't think the differentiation was clear, especially with so many conversations going on at once.

Yes but is it really worth arguing over? Why is it important to spill out every single detail on a public forum filled with strangers. Who the car is for, etc. is really not important when asking for a general opinion of the car itself. I particularly don't understand what AutoUnion39's issue is. Ever since I've started posting in this thread he keeps replying back in a hostile manner. Don't know why, very strange.


Absolutely. Doesn't help either that a Q5 is a family car, as is an E class and by any reasonable argument are fairly large vehicles for a single persons runabout.

Saying that individual variations do apply, I actually find the q5 to have more useable interior space than the q7. But found our 2014 Mercedes GL AMG a much better proposition all round for our main family transport. And that is a family of four.

American families are small. We're a family of seven. Now is the Q5 the right family car for us? I don't think so.
 

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But also the current models, service interval for my 2015 Golf R is about 20K miles and then it is only about £275....Not bad for two years motoring, and due to the safety features incorporated, full comprehensive insurance is only £136 per year...


The intervals on US VWs are much different than the EU market models, but yes, you're right. The cost isn't that much different. It's every 1yr/10k in the US.

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in the US VWs cost alot to maintain because its German its no difference than working on a Merc they are a bitch to work on and 9 times out of 10 the only places you can get parts are from dealers which in most cases over 200 bucks for example a seatbelt for a 1999 VW Bug is $275... a new door lock and key is over $180.... a Power Window Regulator is $150 they cost WAY more to fix than a GM or a Honda


Just because it's German doesn't make it more complicated...

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Absolutely. Doesn't help either that a Q5 is a family car, as is an E class and by any reasonable argument are fairly large vehicles for a single persons runabout.

Saying that individual variations do apply, I actually find the q5 to have more useable interior space than the q7. But found our 2014 Mercedes GL AMG a much better proposition all round for our main family transport. And that is a family of four.


I agree. The GL is the best family luxury SUV out there, especially in diesel trim. It's the only luxury SUV where I can fit into the 3rd row and sit there for a long trip (I'd rather be driving...) I'm 6ft and 185 lb

I'm not sure how the Q5 has more usable room than the Q7. I've owned a Q7 and it feels much larger than the Q5 on the inside
 

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Yes but is it really worth arguing over? Why is it important to spill out every single detail on a public forum filled with strangers. Who the car is for, etc. is really not important when asking for a general opinion of the car itself. I particularly don't understand what AutoUnion39's issue is. Ever since I've started posting in this thread he keeps replying back in a hostile manner. Don't know why, very strange.




American families are small. We're a family of seven. Now is the Q5 the right family car for us? I don't think so.


No it won't, still doesn't chance the fact that it is a family segment vehicle. Not sure why the need for the attitude.

For an suv I'd only consider the Mercedes GL and Landrover Discovery to have enough interior space and able to seat adults in all seven seats.
 

A.Goldberg

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Yes but is it really worth arguing over? Why is it important to spill out every single detail on a public forum filled with strangers. Who the car is for, etc. is really not important when asking for a general opinion of the car itself. I particularly don't understand what AutoUnion39's issue is. Ever since I've started posting in this thread he keeps replying back in a hostile manner. Don't know why, very strange.

What I was saying was not intended to come off as argumentative or confrontational. ANWAYS, if you don't mind me asking, how is your car search going? Have you found or ruled out any more options? In terms of the family car, I think the MDX is a great all around choice if you're looking for something middle of the road cost wise, size wise, amenity wise, and with outstanding reliability. Trunk space will be limited though. Like the others have said the GL is also a great choice, but it obviously costs a lot more and won't have the same service record as something like an Acura. The LR4/Discovery4, despite being a gas guzzling beast is also a very nice 7-seater. It's not a huge car but still has functional trunk space behind the third row. I will tell you though being a real truck underneath, the driving dynamics are not nearly as good as a lot of other cars you may cross shop. The old Volvo XC90 also has "decent" trunk space with the third row up. The new models aren't on sale yet but they look fantastic.

Back in the mid-late 90's when my family was young, we were a family of 5, and gas was cheap my dad owned a couple Land Cruisers. You really can't beat it it terms of size and functionality except a Suburban/Yukon XL/Esclade ESV (the king of 3rd row comfort and trunk space). The Land Cruisers are well built and especially luxurious these days. They cost A LOT, more than what most would probably expect, but the resale value is there. Check out the used prices on these things they hold their value like gold.
 
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MatthewLTL

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Cold temperatures are absolutely related to shortened battery life. It's basic chemistry. Especially if it's -60 below zero. I could be wrong, but if it's -60 that must include the wind chill. At -60 you'll have problems with gas freezing and oil viscosity issues. Just because I had to the record low in your city was -40 in 1951. Since 2000 the lowest temperature was -26 in 2009.

It sounds like the Impala in this case has something that's causing the battery to drain that the BRP. BRP typically only handles things like dome lights and the light in the glove compartment. Assuming you have nothing plugged into the power outlet which I assume you checked, I know in some cars the BCM is a likely culprit. They manufactured a bazillion impalas so there must be some information out there about the issue.

I'm not sure where the logic is that a all batteries, tires, and oils are the same. From a philosophical point of view, yes. In a practical sense, no. You're telling me there is no difference between a $35 tire vs a $250 snow tire? Yes, they'll get you from point A to B. But the handling and longevity will most definitely be different...

Daewoo are part of GM which means they share parts. Doesn't necessarily matter where they're made. They keep their costs down by recycling the same parts throughout all their cars whenever possible.

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I don't think the differentiation was clear, especially with so many conversations going on at once.

actually it was -60 ACTUAL tempature the night before the day i went it was actually -44 with WIND Chills of 65 below. I have a video of the car starting at -44 below here.

As for the Impala, It does have BCM (I think all GMs since the late 90s do). The Power outlet is on at all times however I have a switched Power socket extension cord plugged in (to run to the front of the car to power the GPS) and i flip this switch on and off manually (mostly on the rare times i drive at night so i can read the map for what road it what) I assume the hard start/stall issues when it is driven is a factor. However how it dies in a week when my Daewoo sat for a month in 2013 (brake line blew) and it started right up. Daewoo is part of GM now when the ACTUAL Daewoo's (Lanos, Nubira, Laganza) where in porduction the only GM part they had was a GM engine The parts themse;ves were not GM which is why fixing these cars require either doing it yourself or take it to a shop that will install parts you buy.

EDIT: When i stated a tyre is a tyre i was meaning a class of tyre like a snow tyre is a snow tyre a studded snow tyre is a studded snow tyre and a all season tyre is a all season tyre regardless of the cost. A $150 dollar 225/60/R16 tyre for example is not going to be better than a $75 225/60/R16 tyre just because it costs more.

yes there is Oils of different kinds but in principal conventional oil is the same regardless of cost (the extra crap and the name brand are what makes it cost more dont mean its better oil) than you have synthetic and synthetic blend again 2 different kinds of oil but they are all the same in that category regardless of the cost.
 
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MatthewLTL

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Yes but is it really worth arguing over? Why is it important to spill out every single detail on a public forum filled with strangers. Who the car is for, etc. is really not important when asking for a general opinion of the car itself. I particularly don't understand what AutoUnion39's issue is. Ever since I've started posting in this thread he keeps replying back in a hostile manner. Don't know why, very strange.




American families are small. We're a family of seven. Now is the Q5 the right family car for us? I don't think so.

seems like what you are looking for is a Minivan or a XL SUV (Such as a GMC Yukon XL or a Surburban, either way Minivans and SUVs are gas hogs so make sure u get something flexfuel capable so you can run the cheaper E85 in it
 

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What I was saying was not intended to come off as argumentative or confrontational. ANWAYS, if you don't mind me asking, how is your car search going? Have you found or ruled out any more options? In terms of the family car, I think the MDX is a great all around choice if you're looking for something middle of the road cost wise, size wise, amenity wise, and with outstanding reliability. Trunk space will be limited though. Like the others have said the GL is also a great choice, but it obviously costs a lot more and won't have the same service record as something like an Acura. The LR4/Discovery4, despite being a gas guzzling beast is also a very nice 7-seater. It's not a huge car but still has functional trunk space behind the third row. I will tell you though being a real truck underneath, the driving dynamics are not nearly as good as a lot of other cars you may cross shop. The old Volvo XC90 also has "decent" trunk space with the third row up. The new models aren't on sale yet but they look fantastic.

Back in the mid-late 90's when my family was young, we were a family of 5, and gas was cheap my dad owned a couple Land Cruisers. You really can't beat it it terms of size and functionality except a Suburban/Yukon XL/Esclade ESV (the king of 3rd row comfort and trunk space). The Land Cruisers are well built and especially luxurious these days. They cost A LOT, more than what most would probably expect, but the resale value is there. Check out the used prices on these things they hold their value like gold.

No, I did quote you but this wasn't directed at you at all. The car search is still going. I'm browsing. For myself, I'm debating between the Q5, E-Class, and 5-series. I'm leaning towards the E-Class more. I know a lot of you here are BMW fans but I honestly can't say I am. I've always loved Mercedes more, I feel BMW cars are dull looking. But that's just my opinion. For the family, I'm searching for SUVs with three rows. Lots of good options you've mentioned there, I'll look into. Thank you.
 

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When i stated a tyre is a tyre i was meaning a class of tyre like a snow tyre is a snow tyre a studded snow tyre is a studded snow tyre and a all season tyre is a all season tyre regardless of the cost. A $150 dollar 225/60/R16 tyre for example is not going to be better than a $75 225/60/R16 tyre just because it costs more.

So there can absolutely be not quality difference between a $75 or $150 tire. They'll both handle the same way and last the amount of time and wear appropriately.
 

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seems like what you are looking for is a Minivan or a XL SUV (Such as a GMC Yukon XL or a Surburban, either way Minivans and SUVs are gas hogs so make sure u get something flexfuel capable so you can run the cheaper E85 in it


Yes exactly. I appreciate the advice.
 

MatthewLTL

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So there can absolutely be not quality difference between a $75 or $150 tire. They'll both handle the same way and last the amount of time and wear appropriately.

Don't put words in my mouth... I never said there IS no differences (Mostly name brand for example a GoodYear tyre costs more than a Bridgestone tyre) but with everything made like **** these days a more expensive tyre does not automatically make it "better"

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Out of curiosity, if you're from Minnesota, why do you use the European spelling of Tyre?

I have always prefered the "British" English spelling. I never understood why us Americans use different phases and spelling for the same Language. Its English there is only 1 English language and since it originated in England that's what I use.
 

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No, I did quote you but this wasn't directed at you at all. The car search is still going. I'm browsing. For myself, I'm debating between the Q5, E-Class, and 5-series. I'm leaning towards the E-Class more. I know a lot of you here are BMW fans but I honestly can't say I am. I've always loved Mercedes more, I feel BMW cars are dull looking. But that's just my opinion. For the family, I'm searching for SUVs with three rows. Lots of good options you've mentioned there, I'll look into. Thank you.

I'm a BMW owner. My father gave me his after I graduated college and my Jeep was becoming a money pit. I like my 5-series, but I know what you mean by saying they're dull, I agree. Their interior have looked generally the same forever as well. I'm looking to sell it within the next year and I will not be buying another. Personally out of all of the cars in the segment, I like the Audi A6 the most. I'm looking to sell my 5 within the next year and I will not be buying another.

The E-Class is nice as well though. BMW and Audi are sportier and driver oriented. The Mercedes, while still very capable is designed more for comfort and luxury. They're all good cars in one of the most competitive classes of vehicles. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.

I love the W211 E-Class, especially the later models. Honestly I think it's one of the best looking Mercedes ever made and a timeless car. The new ones with the square headlights, not so much. Mercedes seems to be killing it with their new releases. The S-Class is miles ahead (no pun intended) of it's competition and the C-Class is reinventing it's cohort. I expect when the E-Class comes out that it will be impressive.

If you've owned Mercedes and have been happy with them, stick with it. My grandfather has owned E-Classes since the 1980's. Off the top of my head he's owned a 1987 300E, 1993 300E, 1997 E320 Turbo Diesel, 2002 E320 4Matic, and now the 2008 E350 4Matic. He's loved them and continues to buy them. Some he's liked better than others. Some have been more reliable than others. Now that he's 88 years old and his 2008 has only 45,000 miles, I'm not sure if he'll be upgrading.

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Don't put words in my mouth... I never said there IS no differences (Mostly name brand for example a GoodYear tyre costs more than a Bridgestone tyre) but with everything made like **** these days a more expensive tyre does not automatically make it "better"

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I have always prefered the "British" English spelling. I never understood why us Americans use different phases and spelling for the same Language. Its English there is only 1 English language and since it originated in England that's what I use.

That's not what you said though you said a "Tyre is a Tyre". I didn't suggest that the more expensive tire is always better, thus the use of the word "can" to imply that what I was saying was not absolute. My point is you can buy a cheap tire that will wear out faster and not handle the car as well, or you can spend more money on a tire that lasts longer. That is the general theme. Depending on the tire size, you may have hundreds of options. Some deals are better than others. But in general, you have to pay more for a better quality product.

You will find that with (I would assume every) most global languages huge differences exist depending on where you are. Look at languages like Spanish and French.
 

cyb3rdud3

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No, I did quote you but this wasn't directed at you at all. The car search is still going. I'm browsing. For myself, I'm debating between the Q5, E-Class, and 5-series. I'm leaning towards the E-Class more. I know a lot of you here are BMW fans but I honestly can't say I am. I've always loved Mercedes more, I feel BMW cars are dull looking. But that's just my opinion. For the family, I'm searching for SUVs with three rows. Lots of good options you've mentioned there, I'll look into. Thank you.


Don't know about the US pricing but servicing our Mercedes GL is very economical. I bought a 3 year £1000 package for it. Includes everything even unlimited valet cleaning except for tyres.

When it was serviced I had the current E class, C class and CLA class as loaners. There is nothing wrong with the E class versus a BMW. It is very very well balanced and handles fine. I was looking to get a E63 for myself but decided against it as it would be just me. I got the new Golf R instead.

Oh and one thing for the Mercedes GL as a full size suv. If it isn't standard, it is in the UK, get the airmatic suspension with active cornering. It is absolutely amazing how such a car can corner. Very very comfortable. We've taken ours from the UK across France, Germany, Switserland to Northern Italy lakes. Super super comfortable fast cruiser.

Anyway, good luck with your choice.
 

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That's not what you said though you said a "Tyre is a Tyre". I didn't suggest that the more expensive tire is always better, thus the use of the word "can" to imply that what I was saying was not absolute. My point is you can buy a cheap tire that will wear out faster and not handle the car as well, or you can spend more money on a tire that lasts longer. That is the general theme. Depending on the tire size, you may have hundreds of options. Some deals are better than others. But in general, you have to pay more for a better quality product.

You will find that with (I would assume every) most global languages huge differences exist depending on where you are. Look at languages like Spanish and French.

One of the great ironies is that less expensive tires often actually last longer than more expensive ones. More expensive tires often use softer rubber, which is better for handling, but worse for wear. Head over to tirerack.com and you will often see that the higher speed rated(and more expensive tires) within a given class will have lower wear ratings.

In any case, my car uses something of an odd size of tire-235/50/R17, and there's a limited selection of tires on the market in that size.

When I bought it, it had some cheap Coopers that rode like crap and handled like crap, but I thought the things would never wear out. When the time finally came, I really wanted to buy Michelins, but the shop I generally use couldn't source the ones I wanted in the size I wanted. They instead sold me on a set Bridgestone Serenitys which was a significant upgrade both in ride quality and in handling, but didn't last a huge amount of time(maybe 30,000 miles). Most recently, I finally sourced the Michelin Pilot Sport A/Ss(which were about the same price as the Bridgestones I bought), but are an even bigger step up and I couldn't possibly be happier with them. I wish I'd made more effort to find them the first time around.

I'm really curious to try the Michelin MXM4s, which were the OEM tire on my car. I'm not ready to pay the extra $50/tire they would cost me, though, especially when-as per the reviews-they would be actually be somewhat of a downgrade. Over on the Lincoln LS owner's club, one of the guys who was an engineer on the design team told me that Lincoln choice the MXM4 for noise and ride quality reasons, rather than the better performing but more noisy Pilots that I'm using now.

BTW, I don't care how cheap or expensive of a car I'm driving-I don't skimp on tire quality. That doesn't mean that I necessarily buy the most expensive, but tires can make or break how well a car handles and IMO are one of the most important(and probably most overlooked) aspects to the safety of a car. I have a strong preference for Michelin, although have bought my fair share of other brands.
 

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BTW, I don't care how cheap or expensive of a car I'm driving-I don't skimp on tire quality. That doesn't mean that I necessarily buy the most expensive, but tires can make or break how well a car handles and IMO are one of the most important(and probably most overlooked) aspects to the safety of a car. I have a strong preference for Michelin, although have bought my fair share of other brands.

Yes, you can spend $35/tire to hundreds of dollars per tire. There is price range though that will get you a good handling, reliable tire. I would not trust a $35 tire and shudder to think people spend that little.

I prefer Michelin myself though you pay a premium. I had Goodyear Wranglers originally on my old Jeep and I had 2 blow outs in 2 sets (which could be my fault, but who knows). In one instance, I was driving about 45mph and nearly scraped the entire side of the car on a rock cliff because I temporarily lost control. Luckily I escaped with just a broken mirror. The unfortunate thing about full time 4wd is you're supposed to replace all the tires if one blows so you have even tread. So I switched to Michelins. They cost more but wore slower and I never had a blow out. I probably went through 5-6 pairs of tires on that car considering I put 180,000 miles on it.

On the other hand, my father has a Range Rover Sport. It's two years old and had its first set of tires replaced at 21,000 miles. I believe he uses Michelin as well. The thing weighs 6000 lbs and I guess it's well known the RRS and LR3/4 (same vehicle, different body) eat right through their tires.

My BMW has the Bridgestone model it came with. They're run flats which I absolutely hate. The ride quality is much worse compared to 5's I have driven without. I haven't had a flat yet which is good. I'm probably half way through the tread and will probably look for a non runflat option in the future.
 

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actually it was -60 ACTUAL tempature the night before the day i went it was actually -44 with WIND Chills of 65 below. I have a video of the car starting at -44 below here.

I live in MN too. Stop spouting ********. The actual temperature in southern MN has never been -60F. During the polar vortex we had windchills up to -50 to -55F, but the temperature was probably -25.

Out of curiosity, if you're from Minnesota, why do you use the European spelling of Tyre?

I have always prefered the "British" English spelling. I never understood why us Americans use different phases and spelling for the same Language. Its English there is only 1 English language and since it originated in England that's what I use.

LOL. Nice try. You spelled tire "tyre" because that's just how you thought it was spelled. I know this because your spelling and grammar are terrible in general.

Anyway it's hard to take anything you say with any seriousness when it seems your only experience is with severely neglected 15 year old cars.
 

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I live in MN too. Stop spouting ********. The actual temperature in southern MN has never been -60F. During the polar vortex we had windchills up to -50 to -55F, but the temperature was probably -25.

LOL. Nice try. You spelled tire "tyre" because that's just how you thought it was spelled. I know this because your spelling and grammar are terrible in general.

Anyway it's hard to take anything you say with any seriousness when it seems your only experience is with severely neglected 15 year old cars.

This is hilarious. Can't stop laughing. Keep it up!

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Yes, you can spend $35/tire to hundreds of dollars per tire. There is price range though that will get you a good handling, reliable tire. I would not trust a $35 tire and shudder to think people spend that little.

It's scary IMO. $35 doesn't even cover the mounting/balancing of one tire around here.

If I was really broke, I would buy "used" Michelin/Goodyear/Yoko/Bridgestones, etc off eBay and mount them. Even those at 50% thread are probably better than any POS Chinese tire.

My BMW has the Bridgestone model it came with. They're run flats which I absolutely hate. The ride quality is much worse compared to 5's I have driven without. I haven't had a flat yet which is good. I'm probably half way through the tread and will probably look for a non runflat option in the future.
I had Bridgestones too. I dumped them about a year early because I couldn't take the ride quality or noise anymore. Dreadful tire. I went with some quality Michelins non-RFTs. Night and day difference.

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Don't know about the US pricing but servicing our Mercedes GL is very economical. I bought a 3 year £1000 package for it. Includes everything even unlimited valet cleaning except for tyres.

My brother has a GLK diesel and his service package for 3 years was over $3k! One of the better reasons for buying a BMW in the US. Included maintenance. Haven't spent a dime on my BMW in 3.75 years.
 
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This is hilarious. Can't stop laughing. Keep it up!
It's ridiculous isn't it.

It's scary IMO. $35 doesn't even cover the mounting/balancing of one tire around here.

If I was really broke, I would buy "used" Michelin/Goodyear/Yoko/Bridgestones, etc off eBay and mount them. Even those at 50% thread are probably better than any POS Chinese tire.
I know! I like those Buy 3 tires get one free + free installation for $99 deals or w/e that you see. I'd feel safer riding on the castors on my desk chair than those.

I had Bridgestones too. I dumped them about a year early because I couldn't take the ride quality or noise anymore. Dreadful tire. I went with some quality Michelins non-RFTs. Night and day difference.
They're terrible. And changing a tire isn't rocket science. The annoying thing is if I want to put non-RFT's on then I'm not going to drive around without a spare. That means I have to buy the whole spare tire kit which costs $500-$1000 which pisses me off. I'd prefer not to have a donut or "space saver" either.
 

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I know! I like those Buy 3 tires get one free + free installation for $99 deals or w/e that you see. I'd feel safer riding on the castors on my desk chair than those.

:D

Costco was running a special on Michelins recently. Very similar to that. I don't think I'd buy tires from there because they don't do alignments in house.

They're terrible. And changing a tire isn't rocket science. The annoying thing is if I want to put non-RFT's on then I'm not going to drive around without a spare. That means I have to buy the whole spare tire kit which costs $500-$1000 which pisses me off. I'd prefer not to have a donut or "space saver" either.
Typical BMW. Always half-assed. Does the E60 not have space for the kit? I remember it was a $150 option on the E70.

I don't get their logic for run-flats. There is no positives to RFTs at all. Give us regular tires!
 

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Costco was running a special on Michelins recently. Very similar to that. I don't think I'd buy tires from there because they don't do alignments in house.


Typical BMW. Always half-assed. Does the E60 not have space for the kit? I remember it was a $150 option on the E70.

I don't get their logic for run-flats. There is no positives to RFTs at all. Give us regular tires!

I believe there is room for a spare, there is just a support that must be removed. I'm not sure if it can accommodate a full though. I'll have to research it a little bit more seriously.

I think it's designed with the stereotypical yuppie or soccer mom that can't change their own tire. Even if you can't change a tire, at least you can call AAA and easily get on your way. I've called AAA once to change a tire because it was 7:00 PM during Boston rush hour on the Mass Pike and it was snowing. I'd rather the tow truck guy risk his life than mine :p ;)
 

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I believe there is room for a spare, there is just a support that must be removed. I'm not sure if it can accommodate a full though. I'll have to research it a little bit more seriously.

http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?part=E60+SPARE+KIT

Even at $339, that's ridiculous

I think it's designed with the stereotypical yuppie or soccer mom that can't change their own tire.
Still not worth it. They can't be patched. And if you replace one, you have to replace the other on the same axle to match tread depth. $500+ every single time.

Even if you can't change a tire, at least you can call AAA and easily get on your way. I've called AAA once to change a tire because it was 7:00 PM during Boston rush hour on the Mass Pike and it was snowing. I'd rather the tow truck guy risk his life than mine :p ;)

:D That's completely valid. I wouldn't do it either.
 

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actually it was -60 ACTUAL tempature the night before the day i went it was actually -44 with WIND Chills of 65 below. I have a video of the car starting at -44 below here.

I think you may have confused this video with a thermometer. Just because you edit the video and put in the comment that you misspoke about the temperature does not make me believe you any more. The record low in your city in the past 10 years was -26.

Most people in cold temperatures would just use an engine block heater. Maybe your car started because you hand no oil in it and all the metal contracted ;) (I'm being facetious here)

Seriously though, I'd be quite surprised you could start a car at -60 considering gasoline freezes between -50 and -40. If you use 50/50 antifreeze like most people, that freezes around -35 as well. Riddle me that one.
 

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The Car Thread ... !

I'm a BMW owner. My father gave me his after I graduated college and my Jeep was becoming a money pit. I like my 5-series, but I know what you mean by saying they're dull, I agree. Their interior have looked generally the same forever as well. I'm looking to sell it within the next year and I will not be buying another. Personally out of all of the cars in the segment, I like the Audi A6 the most. I'm looking to sell my 5 within the next year and I will not be buying another.

The E-Class is nice as well though. BMW and Audi are sportier and driver oriented. The Mercedes, while still very capable is designed more for comfort and luxury. They're all good cars in one of the most competitive classes of vehicles. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.

I love the W211 E-Class, especially the later models. Honestly I think it's one of the best looking Mercedes ever made and a timeless car. The new ones with the square headlights, not so much. Mercedes seems to be killing it with their new releases. The S-Class is miles ahead (no pun intended) of it's competition and the C-Class is reinventing it's cohort. I expect when the E-Class comes out that it will be impressive.

If you've owned Mercedes and have been happy with them, stick with it. My grandfather has owned E-Classes since the 1980's. Off the top of my head he's owned a 1987 300E, 1993 300E, 1997 E320 Turbo Diesel, 2002 E320 4Matic, and now the 2008 E350 4Matic. He's loved them and continues to buy them. Some he's liked better than others. Some have been more reliable than others. Now that he's 88 years old and his 2008 has only 45,000 miles, I'm not sure if he'll be upgrading.

I currently have a 2009 W211 E-Class. It's old, I know :) But yes I have a Mercedes and have been inside several different models and have to agree with you about Mercedes cars being more on the luxury and comfort side, even the C-Class looks great even though it's not labelled as a luxury car. But what do you mean by "I expect when the E-Class comes out that it will be impressive"? The 2015 model is already out. Do you mean next year's model?

Don't know about the US pricing but servicing our Mercedes GL is very economical. I bought a 3 year £1000 package for it. Includes everything even unlimited valet cleaning except for tyres.

When it was serviced I had the current E class, C class and CLA class as loaners. There is nothing wrong with the E class versus a BMW. It is very very well balanced and handles fine. I was looking to get a E63 for myself but decided against it as it would be just me. I got the new Golf R instead.

Oh and one thing for the Mercedes GL as a full size suv. If it isn't standard, it is in the UK, get the airmatic suspension with active cornering. It is absolutely amazing how such a car can corner. Very very comfortable. We've taken ours from the UK across France, Germany, Switserland to Northern Italy lakes. Super super comfortable fast cruiser.

Anyway, good luck with your choice.

Thank you, Cyberdude. I'm pretty sure the GL is great but I'm not thinking of buying at all. The base price is almost $100,000 here. No, It's just too pricey. To give you an idea of the kind of SUV I have in mind, for example: Chevrolet Tahoe, Nissan Patrol, Infiniti QX80, Toyota Land Cruiser, Ford Expedition, GMC Yukon.
 
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