Thanks. That's interesting. I'd read somewhere that it was 10 seconds. Pretty sure it had to do with a Tesla vehicle in their hyper mode. This is for the quarter mile, right?
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Here's a good link where it's written out clearly:
http://i29dragway.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Basic-NHRA-Safety-Rules.pdf
Relevant to our discussion:
Street Cars
The following items are required for a vehicle and driver to pass tech: Good tires, a solid battery hold down, radiator overflow reservoir, functioning neutral-safety switch, seat belts, and a valid state driver's license or NHRA competition license for all participants. The driver must wear long pants, closed toe shoes, and a shirt.
13.99 seconds (8.59 1/8th) Drive Line Loop with slicks Approved helmet (Full face in open cars), see below SFI 3.2A/1 Jacket in vehicles equipped with non-OEM nitrous oxide, turbochargers or superchargers
13.49 seconds (8.25 1/8th) Roll bar in convertibles SFI seat belts in convertibles
11.99 seconds (7.49 1/8th) Steel Valve Stems Arm Restraints (open cars)
11.49 seconds (7.35 1/8th)
SFI 1.1 or 1.2 Flywheel / Clutch
SFI 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 or 9.1 Flywheel shield
SFI 3.2A/1 approved jacket
6 point roll bar
SFI approved seat belts
10.99 seconds (6.99 1/8th) or Super Street SFI 4.1 Transmission Shield, or at 135 mph Locking transmission dipstick tube Aftermarket axles and axle retainers SFI Harmonic Balancer Roll Cage with altered floor pans, or 135 mph - Window net required Ignition cut-off on all bikes / snowmobiles that exceed 135 mph
9.99 seconds (6.39 1/8th) or Super Gas or 135 mph NHRA Chassis Certification NHRA Competition License SFI jacket & pants 3.2A/5 SFI neck collar & gloves 3.3/1 SFI 29.1 flexplate / 30.1 flexplate shield (AT equipped cars) Full Face Helmet meeting Snell or SFI specifications
150 mph Parachute
(Also note that's a rollbar, which is still multipoint, vs. a full cage)
http://i29dragway.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Basic-NHRA-Safety-Rules.pdf
Relevant to our discussion:
Street Cars
The following items are required for a vehicle and driver to pass tech: Good tires, a solid battery hold down, radiator overflow reservoir, functioning neutral-safety switch, seat belts, and a valid state driver's license or NHRA competition license for all participants. The driver must wear long pants, closed toe shoes, and a shirt.
13.99 seconds (8.59 1/8th) Drive Line Loop with slicks Approved helmet (Full face in open cars), see below SFI 3.2A/1 Jacket in vehicles equipped with non-OEM nitrous oxide, turbochargers or superchargers
13.49 seconds (8.25 1/8th) Roll bar in convertibles SFI seat belts in convertibles
11.99 seconds (7.49 1/8th) Steel Valve Stems Arm Restraints (open cars)
11.49 seconds (7.35 1/8th)
SFI 1.1 or 1.2 Flywheel / Clutch
SFI 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 or 9.1 Flywheel shield
SFI 3.2A/1 approved jacket
6 point roll bar
SFI approved seat belts
10.99 seconds (6.99 1/8th) or Super Street SFI 4.1 Transmission Shield, or at 135 mph Locking transmission dipstick tube Aftermarket axles and axle retainers SFI Harmonic Balancer Roll Cage with altered floor pans, or 135 mph - Window net required Ignition cut-off on all bikes / snowmobiles that exceed 135 mph
9.99 seconds (6.39 1/8th) or Super Gas or 135 mph NHRA Chassis Certification NHRA Competition License SFI jacket & pants 3.2A/5 SFI neck collar & gloves 3.3/1 SFI 29.1 flexplate / 30.1 flexplate shield (AT equipped cars) Full Face Helmet meeting Snell or SFI specifications
150 mph Parachute
(Also note that's a rollbar, which is still multipoint, vs. a full cage)
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I'm usually a stickler for originality, but in the case of any European car from the 70s/80s that was imported for sale in the US, the first thing I'd chuck would be the awful US-spec 5mph bumpers, to be replaced with Euro bumpers.
And no, I don't think I'd have the cojones to take an MG much past 80mph or so without a five point harness, helmet and roll cage!
By the way, those old "hot hatches" from the 1970's are not as great as you think. My 2015 Honda Fit with its 130 bhp (97 kW) L15B engine could likely keep up with most of those cars as they came from the factory.
That's the point. Old cars, as awful as they were, had a unique quality about them. Especially if you were lucky or maybe unlucky to not have power steering. It felt thrilling to drive. Most new cars now have electrical steering and it's no fun. Porsche has improved their 991 e-steering in the .2 segment, and the 992 is supposed to miles ahead of where it is now.
Anyway, we've got some test drives scheduled tomorrow. We're set on what we want, but it doesn't hurt to shop around. Who knows, maybe we'll find something else we like but never knew we'd like.
If anyone remembers or cares, my youngest nephew was looking into getting some Mini. Ended up getting the smaller Lexus SUV. He likes it. It's not a bad car. Transmission hunts here and there, but it could be one of those transmissions that programs itself over time to a driver? Not a bad car overall. He's not much of a car person so he was long lost to the crossover crowd. At least his older brother loves cars.
Not to say I have favorites....
Anyway, we've got some test drives scheduled tomorrow. We're set on what we want, but it doesn't hurt to shop around. Who knows, maybe we'll find something else we like but never knew we'd like.
If anyone remembers or cares, my youngest nephew was looking into getting some Mini. Ended up getting the smaller Lexus SUV. He likes it. It's not a bad car. Transmission hunts here and there, but it could be one of those transmissions that programs itself over time to a driver? Not a bad car overall. He's not much of a car person so he was long lost to the crossover crowd. At least his older brother loves cars.
Not to say I have favorites....
It’s true that a modern V6 Camry can ‘beat’ many (most?) sporty classic cars from the 70s and 80s. But if you gave me the choice of a V6 Camry or , say, a BMW 2002, Im taking the 2002 10 Times out of 10. The 2002’s performance is going to be quite a bit worse by pretty much every metric, it’s less safe, much smaller, far more liable to breakdown, and probably squeaks and rattles. Maintenance is going to be more frequent and parts harder to get. But that’s not the point, is it? It’s a freakin’ 2002. Fun. Cool. Classic.
The new 4 pot Camry would beat it.
Now love for the 2000 or the 3200? Shame on you!
Don’t get me started listing classic cars I love. It could go on for days.
And yes, you haven’t really experienced driving until you’ve spent some time in a car without power steering. There are cars with very good electric steering, but those systems will just never, ever be the same as a good straight mechanical unassisted steering unit, especially at speed. (Parking, on the the other hand, is a pain in the neck. But builds character!).
You develop good triceps. Nothing like turning in narrow streets during the summer then, no AC too. JFC.
On a light car, the lack of power steering isn't really noticeable at speed.
With that said, I've always been told that you really shouldn't turn the steering wheel with the car stationary. Not only is it hard on the steering components, but on conventional hydraulic P/S it makes the pressure crazy high. When you've actually TRIED turning the wheels with the car stationary, you realize how true that is.
It always amazes me how much of a difference just rolling the car a little bit makes in steering effort.
But yes, as a regular driver of a non-P/S car I can attest to the fact that parking is most certainly a work-out.
Folks also like to complain about manual transmissions in stop-and-go traffic. The only manual I currently own doesn't have any kind of assist on the brakes, and I can safely say that in heavy stop and go I tend to end up with my RIGHT leg/ankle aching a bit.
With that said, I've always been told that you really shouldn't turn the steering wheel with the car stationary. Not only is it hard on the steering components, but on conventional hydraulic P/S it makes the pressure crazy high. When you've actually TRIED turning the wheels with the car stationary, you realize how true that is.
It always amazes me how much of a difference just rolling the car a little bit makes in steering effort.
But yes, as a regular driver of a non-P/S car I can attest to the fact that parking is most certainly a work-out.
Folks also like to complain about manual transmissions in stop-and-go traffic. The only manual I currently own doesn't have any kind of assist on the brakes, and I can safely say that in heavy stop and go I tend to end up with my RIGHT leg/ankle aching a bit.
You're correct. I was told that when I was very young, that was a hellava long time ago. I don't believe it's an issue on newer or new cars, but it's still a bad idea. Ideally, you'll want to let the car move just a bit under its own power when in gear and steer the wheel quickly. It doesn't seem to put as much pressure. In older cars, like from the 80s and 90s, on a quiet day you can hear the pump work hard when you steer without moving.
Other reasons I've seen or been told over the years is that it causes degradation in the tire walls and that it slowly introduces bald spots. I can believe the first to a point, the second point seems to be a stretch. Some companies like BMW or Porsche offer dynamic steering which, if I'm not mistaken, exaggerate steering direction when under a certain speed, I think 10 MPH. I'm curious how fast damage incurs than a vehicle without the option.
Not as long ago as it was for me
[doublepost=1512318120][/doublepost]So my brake boot was a little short, it was almost exactly the same size as the factory one, but with the much thicker leather, without as much give and needing to use a decent about to re-attach (more than the original factory), it really needed another solid inch. Well, I couple of email exchanges and I got a brand new one - this was actually a few weeks ago, just started working on it today - anyway, solid customer service
We're heading out to the dealers soon. We had some light drizzle this morning so the roads are damp. We're hitting five different dealers. God help me with the utter boredom and drivel I'll have to endure.
What car?Not as long ago as it was for me
I'm disappointed that you can't get an S with 2WD on the Panamera. In any case, the power in the two we test drove was remarkable. Even the regular Panamera 2 felt faster despite having 50 or 60 HP less than the current vehicle we have. I wasn't too impressed with the Gran Turismo. It looks great in photos and video, but it felt out of place in real life. In any case, it's not going to be my car or my daily driver, so my personal opinion isn't worth much.
I was, OTOH, very impressed with the interior and ride quality and handling. For big heavy cars, they sure are one hell of a machine.The future A7 might be of interest. Realistically, we're 8 or 9 months away from replacing the three pointer. Thing is, all cars in that class now or rather will come with nearly full digital dashes. The actual interiors set them apart now apart from exterior looks. I'm maybe a little over a year away from replacing my own car.
I'd be open to the idea of Chevy making an 800 HP luxobarge Corvette wagon. That would be amazing. And I've always wanted a legitimate reason to buy a Corvette.
Any luck on your end?
CTS-V Wagon 550+ HP of wagon fun, 700 with a tune and a couple of bolt-ons (sadly they stopped production in 2014).
Luck, like us committing to a purchase? Not yet, we had a bunch of things on deck this month, a big Christmas show with the little G, we were OOT in Savannah for Thanksgiving (actually that whole week), we're getting things done for our NYC trip (lots of pre-Christmas shopping), finalizing lots of work items for the end of year. I don't think we'll even get really serious till well into January, then it's still looking like the GC 4x4 High Altitude ... maybe with the Hemi for fun
550+ HP of wagon fun, 700 with a tune and a couple of bolt-ons (sadly they stopped production in 2014).Luck, like us committing to a purchase? Not yet, we had a bunch of things on deck this month, a big Christmas show with the little G, we were OOT in Savannah for Thanksgiving (actually that whole week), we're getting things done for our NYC trip (lots of pre-Christmas shopping), finalizing lots of work items for the end of year. I don't think we'll even get really serious till well into January, then it's still looking like the GC 4x4 High Altitude ... maybe with the Hemi for fun
The Panamera and (spits) Cayenne look like diseased 911s. The Sport Turismo almost works, in the same way the ultra-rare Ferrari 456 shooting brake is intriguing (I have a big soft spot for wagons).
4-seater GT cars are fine, but creating a sedan and trying to make it look like a 911 is saddening. Mind you, the buying public just loves the Panamera and Cayenne, so I'm certainly in the minority here. I'm sure that, were Porsche to build a van and slap a vaguely 911-ish nose on it, people would stampede to the dealerships to buy them.
Exactly, that's why I greatly prefer the ST, with it's more wagon-ish - and subsequently - has more "natural" lines that look like a unique model vs. a failed science experiment.
They look great once you slap on about 30K worth in aesthetics options. It and the Cayenne are money-makers for Porsche. If it allows them to pump more research into the 911, then so be it. Seems every GT3 and 911 Turbo/S owner also owns a Cayenne.
Anyway, most of my time was spent perusing the inside of the dealer as it was far too cold to stand outside. Saw a few well optioned GTS, and some .1 holdovers. No Turbos, surprisingly. They had about 20 in stock the last time I was there. It's not like Turbos are big sellers either.
At least their espresso was decent.
Anyway, most of my time was spent perusing the inside of the dealer as it was far too cold to stand outside. Saw a few well optioned GTS, and some .1 holdovers. No Turbos, surprisingly. They had about 20 in stock the last time I was there. It's not like Turbos are big sellers either.
At least their espresso was decent.
Agreed, that you have to at the very least get a larger wheel/tire setup, some of the aero goodies, the rear wing on the GTS/Turbo models do a good job of breaking up that elongated rear glass.
It's one of those designs that just look horrible as a base model. The current 911 variants are beautiful and effective in the most entry level variants (and get spectacular in super aero trim).
They just look like 10 feet of sedan with a weird aftermarket "911" nose grafted onto the front end and a torturous blob on the rear that they spent millions in a failed attempt to not look like a hatchback.
Pretty much everyone has caved in to the temptation to build an SUV or 4 door. It may be profitable, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
When I see someone blow by my Fiesta in a Huracán, I cheer and bask in secondhand glory. When I see someone do the same in a Cayenne Turbo, I mutter darkly about wealth inequality, think about the latest tax bill in Congress, and hope to see it in a ditch a few miles down the road.
Pretty much everyone has caved in to the temptation to build an SUV or 4 door. It may be profitable, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
When I see someone blow by my Fiesta in a Huracán, I cheer and bask in secondhand glory. When I see someone do the same in a Cayenne Turbo, I mutter darkly about wealth inequality, think about the latest tax bill in Congress, and hope to see it in a ditch a few miles down the road.
They have this hysterical "warp jump" effect too, from the front as they approach it _looks_ like a 911, then as it passes, the profile just continues to stretch out longer and longer, then so much it's clearly being warped by faster-than-light gravitational forces ...
"Quantum carburetor"? Jesus, Morty. You can't just add a Sci-Fi word to a car word and hope it means something. Huh, looks like something's wrong with the microverse battery."They have this hysterical "warp jump" effect too, from the front as they approach it _looks_ like a 911, then as it passes, the profile just continues to stretch out longer and longer, then so much it's clearly being warped by faster-than-light gravitational forces ...