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Light and heat are key elements when detailing. One of my main side passions aside from physical fitness is detailing cars. I _literally_ could spend three hours detailing one of my cars alone (Including interior and under Hood). I’m always shocked at those who use poor detailing techniques with washing, drying and applying cleaners/waxes, but I understand its mainly ignorance. (My neighbor is the worst, I almost feel bad for him.)
I know this sounds different, however; a four hour course at a local technical college in my area is offered of how to properly detail a car instructed by professionals (I believe its hosted by Meguiars). If somebody was truly passionate in personally detailing their own cars, {especially} if they are more expensive cars or simply just want to learn proper techniques, Choosing Product selection and the best environments to detail in, there is a lot to learn here for a novice or even those who compete in car shows. I for one have learned more about waxing/applying detailers and how they affect the clear coat/paint on a vehicle in ways I didn’t know possible.
I will mention it again, Carguys is my choice and the results are stellar across the line up with their waxes/Hybrid, wheel cleaner, All purpose, restorers, ect. Expensive, yes. Are their cheaper alternatives offered that produce similar results, yes (A very subjective Yes). But, Find the Product that works Best for your vehicle and what someone is comfortable in spending.
I know this sounds different, however; a four hour course at a local technical college in my area is offered of how to properly detail a car instructed by professionals (I believe its hosted by Meguiars). If somebody was truly passionate in personally detailing their own cars, {especially} if they are more expensive cars or simply just want to learn proper techniques, Choosing Product selection and the best environments to detail in, there is a lot to learn here for a novice or even those who compete in car shows. I for one have learned more about waxing/applying detailers and how they affect the clear coat/paint on a vehicle in ways I didn’t know possible.
I will mention it again, Carguys is my choice and the results are stellar across the line up with their waxes/Hybrid, wheel cleaner, All purpose, restorers, ect. Expensive, yes. Are their cheaper alternatives offered that produce similar results, yes (A very subjective Yes). But, Find the Product that works Best for your vehicle and what someone is comfortable in spending.
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So it finally came time to get serious about replacing the family/beach/utility/tow vehicle. As I’ve posted previously, it's a 4th gen T4R, V8/AWD, most options - it has done its duty, been on the beach countless times, pulled cars, boats, trailers, dealt with snow, sand, mud. We loved it.
I’ve made several posts about my thoughts on the replacement, but here’s a [not so] brief recap:
Ruled out up front the new 4R, it’s a solid SUV, but in 2018 it's time for a better transmission, the electronics are kind of dated (no CarPlay).
We really fell in love with the Jeep GC Overland with the High Altitude Package (we dig blacked out trim, dark wheels, dug the 5.7L V8 option, the look, the electronics.
Then, a 3rd row got more priority, JGC off the table.
We considered a land behemoth, Suburban/Yukon / Excursion, but they get stupid expensive quickly, ruled them out also because of their slightly too big size.
Ruled out the German options, they're just silly with option expenses, we owned a X5 4.4i so been there done that, and there are no local dealers (Audi and BMW dealers are a crappy hour drive away ...)
The Explorer Sport isn't a bad option, but there's a few things where it falls short (tranny, 3rd row space, a few other things).
The MDX popped up on the radar, but not the regular model, the Sport Hybrid, it's sporty, quick, has outstanding build/fit/finish, and 3rd row seats, however, it can't tow, and ultimately neither of us was a fan of the design.
My most recent post about this was highly favoring the Durango R/T, it looks great, has nearly the same seating room (3 row) as much bigger SUVs, Hemi is standard, sport lowered suspension, dynamic AWD with an actual low range (2-speed), for MY18 CarPlay and AA, same electronics as the GC (they’re outstanding), lots of passive and active safety (lane control, ACC),heated/cooled everything, inc. the 2nd row, remote start/hatch including smart app control, tows a bunch, easily.
SUVs can be boring to begin with, so we loved the idea of an in-your-face package like the R/T with a Hemi, with all blacked out trim, black chrome interior bits, and a big, bold color. This has the Blacktop package, so the wheels and side mirrors are black, the contrast looks pretty terrific against the exterior we chose.
We originally we're shopping Octane Red, it's kind of the "hot" color right now (see lots of small SAVs in that color), you know, the darker, +almost+ shifting into burgundy-ish type red - I really started digging the more red-red (Redline), it's a 2-stage pearl coat like Octane - plus all the other red highlights (all the interior stitching, etc.) match the Redline. The wife didn't care too much, just loved the overall look of the R/T (new for ‘18 it has the front, rear, over fenders and the awesome ducted/vented hood of the SRT).
Funny how this came together, we're headed OOT, and found this DDRT at a dealer on the way to our destination (Universal)!
So we're drove our "trade", the T4R which was really just a dealer buy since we're not applying any money from it, picking up the new ride, loading it up, continuing on our trip
So the new ride ...
'18 DD R/T Redline Pearl
AWD
Tech
Tow
Blacktop
Capt's Chairs
Redline with black interior. Funny enough my car is black with a red interior ... and the interior option is called Redline (it was meant to be)
Only got about an hour driving it (highway) but extremely pleased so far. It’s currently just hanging out in the parking garage at the resort while we relax at the pool with some tasty beverages
I’ve made several posts about my thoughts on the replacement, but here’s a [not so] brief recap:
Ruled out up front the new 4R, it’s a solid SUV, but in 2018 it's time for a better transmission, the electronics are kind of dated (no CarPlay).
We really fell in love with the Jeep GC Overland with the High Altitude Package (we dig blacked out trim, dark wheels, dug the 5.7L V8 option, the look, the electronics.
Then, a 3rd row got more priority, JGC off the table.
We considered a land behemoth, Suburban/Yukon / Excursion, but they get stupid expensive quickly, ruled them out also because of their slightly too big size.
Ruled out the German options, they're just silly with option expenses, we owned a X5 4.4i so been there done that, and there are no local dealers (Audi and BMW dealers are a crappy hour drive away ...)
The Explorer Sport isn't a bad option, but there's a few things where it falls short (tranny, 3rd row space, a few other things).
The MDX popped up on the radar, but not the regular model, the Sport Hybrid, it's sporty, quick, has outstanding build/fit/finish, and 3rd row seats, however, it can't tow, and ultimately neither of us was a fan of the design.
My most recent post about this was highly favoring the Durango R/T, it looks great, has nearly the same seating room (3 row) as much bigger SUVs, Hemi is standard, sport lowered suspension, dynamic AWD with an actual low range (2-speed), for MY18 CarPlay and AA, same electronics as the GC (they’re outstanding), lots of passive and active safety (lane control, ACC),heated/cooled everything, inc. the 2nd row, remote start/hatch including smart app control, tows a bunch, easily.
SUVs can be boring to begin with, so we loved the idea of an in-your-face package like the R/T with a Hemi, with all blacked out trim, black chrome interior bits, and a big, bold color. This has the Blacktop package, so the wheels and side mirrors are black, the contrast looks pretty terrific against the exterior we chose.
We originally we're shopping Octane Red, it's kind of the "hot" color right now (see lots of small SAVs in that color), you know, the darker, +almost+ shifting into burgundy-ish type red - I really started digging the more red-red (Redline), it's a 2-stage pearl coat like Octane - plus all the other red highlights (all the interior stitching, etc.) match the Redline. The wife didn't care too much, just loved the overall look of the R/T (new for ‘18 it has the front, rear, over fenders and the awesome ducted/vented hood of the SRT).
Funny how this came together, we're headed OOT, and found this DDRT at a dealer on the way to our destination (Universal)!
So we're drove our "trade", the T4R which was really just a dealer buy since we're not applying any money from it, picking up the new ride, loading it up, continuing on our trip
So the new ride ...
'18 DD R/T Redline Pearl
AWD
Tech
Tow
Blacktop
Capt's Chairs
Redline with black interior. Funny enough my car is black with a red interior ... and the interior option is called Redline (it was meant to be
)Only got about an hour driving it (highway) but extremely pleased so far. It’s currently just hanging out in the parking garage at the resort while we relax at the pool with some tasty beverages
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Interesting lingering events concerning my recent used Miata purchase. I arranged a temporary loan though my credit union. (Plan on paying it off an a month or two). The car Nissan car dealer where this Miata was sold, the salesperson spoke of 2-3%, but they actually came up with 6.7% loan, so I went with the CU at 2.9%.
So I asked the dealer do you want a personal check today or a cashiers check in a couple of days? They came back with personal check. Then a couple of days later I was advised that my check did not clear. I checked and the funds were in my account, so I called this company UPT (something like that) where the dealership had sent the check and it did not bounce, but they refused to cash it. I explained that I was the person who wrote the check, that I could verify who I was, and that I authorized it to be cashed. Not good enough, I had to have the Credit Union call and verify. Why did they not call themselves and verify funds?
Now get this, the CU does not give me authorization to spend my money and when they called back on a conference call they simply said this is the credit union, there are funds in the account. We were put on hold and I told the lady, you could have been my wife vouching for funds available. They cashed the check at that point. :-/ By accepting a personal check, the are taking a chance it will bounce, vs a cashiers check where funds are set aside. I find it interesting that there are also issues with fake cashier checks, so I’m not sure what the problem was.
I may have already said this, but if you are a novice at car buying make sure you have a clear understanding of what you are being charged, via the purchase order. My car listed as $23.8k, but when all was said and done, it totaled at close to $26k with taxes, gems like handling fees, dealer fees, and a special one, they charged me $345 for Mazda lug nut locks that were on the vehicle when it was traded in. When I asked about this, they actually said more “ profits”. At that point I was willing to eat it as there were no other stick shift low mileage used red Miatas in the Houston metro area.
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Can I ask how much it cost? In 2013 we were faced with the realization we really did not need a truck, and we needed to replace our aging Murano, so we went with a new Toyota Highlander, not the largest, but bigger than the Murano, it will hold 7 people, 3 rows of seats, the back ones fold down into the bed, and I can put 20, 8’ 2x4s in it in a pinch, for about $32k. It listed for $41k.
So I asked the dealer do you want a personal check today or a cashiers check in a couple of days? They came back with personal check. Then a couple of days later I was advised that my check did not clear. I checked and the funds were in my account, so I called this company UPT (something like that) where the dealership had sent the check and it did not bounce, but they refused to cash it. I explained that I was the person who wrote the check, that I could verify who I was, and that I authorized it to be cashed. Not good enough, I had to have the Credit Union call and verify. Why did they not call themselves and verify funds?
Now get this, the CU does not give me authorization to spend my money and when they called back on a conference call they simply said this is the credit union, there are funds in the account. We were put on hold and I told the lady, you could have been my wife vouching for funds available. They cashed the check at that point. :-/ By accepting a personal check, the are taking a chance it will bounce, vs a cashiers check where funds are set aside. I find it interesting that there are also issues with fake cashier checks, so I’m not sure what the problem was.
I may have already said this, but if you are a novice at car buying make sure you have a clear understanding of what you are being charged, via the purchase order. My car listed as $23.8k, but when all was said and done, it totaled at close to $26k with taxes, gems like handling fees, dealer fees, and a special one, they charged me $345 for Mazda lug nut locks that were on the vehicle when it was traded in. When I asked about this, they actually said more “ profits”.
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So it finally came time to get serious about replacing the family/beach/utility/tow vehicle. As I’ve posted previously, it's a 4th gen T4R, V8/AWD, most options - it has done its duty, been on the beach countless times, pulled cars, boats, trailers, dealt with snow, sand, mud. We loved it.
I’ve made several posts about my thoughts on the replacement, but here’s a [not so] brief recap:
Ruled out up front the new 4R, it’s a solid SUV, but in 2018 it's time for a better transmission, the electronics are kind of dated (no CarPlay).
We really fell in love with the Jeep GC Overland with the High Altitude Package (we dig blacked out trim, dark wheels, dug the 5.7L V8 option, the look, the electronics.
Then, a 3rd row got more priority, JGC off the table.
We considered a land behemoth, Suburban/Yukon / Excursion, but they get stupid expensive quickly, ruled them out also because of their slightly too big size.
Ruled out the German options, they're just silly with option expenses, we owned a X5 4.4i so been there done that, and there are no local dealers (Audi and BMW dealers are a crappy hour drive away ...)
The Explorer Sport isn't a bad option, but there's a few things where it falls short (tranny, 3rd row space, a few other things).
The MDX popped up on the radar, but not the regular model, the Sport Hybrid, it's sporty, quick, has outstanding build/fit/finish, and 3rd row seats, however, it can't tow, and ultimately neither of us was a fan of the design.
My most recent post about this was highly favoring the Durango R/T, it looks great, has nearly the same seating room (3 row) as much bigger SUVs, Hemi is standard, sport lowered suspension, dynamic AWD with an actual low range (2-speed), for MY18 CarPlay and AA, same electronics as the GC (they’re outstanding), lots of passive and active safety (lane control, ACC),heated/cooled everything, inc. the 2nd row, remote start/hatch including smart app control, tows a bunch, easily.
SUVs can be boring to begin with, so we loved the idea of an in-your-face package like the R/T with a Hemi, with all blacked out trim, black chrome interior bits, and a big, bold color. This has the Blacktop package, so the wheels and side mirrors are black, the contrast looks pretty terrific against the exterior we chose.
We originally we're shopping Octane Red, it's kind of the "hot" color right now (see lots of small SAVs in that color), you know, the darker, +almost+ shifting into burgundy-ish type red - I really started digging the more red-red (Redline), it's a 2-stage pearl coat like Octane - plus all the other red highlights (all the interior stitching, etc.) match the Redline. The wife didn't care too much, just loved the overall look of the R/T (new for ‘18 it has the front, rear, over fenders and the awesome ducted/vented hood of the SRT).
Funny how this came together, we're headed OOT, and found this DDRT at a dealer on the way to our destination (Universal)!
So we're drove our "trade", the T4R which was really just a dealer buy since we're not applying any money from it, picking up the new ride, loading it up, continuing on our trip
So the new ride ...
'18 DD R/T Redline Pearl
AWD
Tech
Tow
Blacktop
Capt's Chairs
Redline with black interior. Funny enough my car is black with a red interior ... and the interior option is called Redline (it was meant to be
Only got about an hour driving it (highway) but extremely pleased so far. It’s currently just hanging out in the parking garage at the resort while we relax at the pool with some tasty beverages
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Can I ask how much it cost? In 2013 we were faced with the realization we really did not need a truck, and we needed to replace our aging Murano, so we went with a new Toyota Highlander, not the largest, but bigger than the Murano, it will hold 7 people, 3 rows of seats, the back ones fold down into the bed, and I can put 20, 8’ 2x4s in it in a pinch, for about $32k. It listed for $41k.
So it finally came time to get serious about replacing the family/beach/utility/tow vehicle. As I’ve posted previously, it's a 4th gen T4R, V8/AWD, most options - it has done its duty, been on the beach countless times, pulled cars, boats, trailers, dealt with snow, sand, mud. We loved it.
I’ve made several posts about my thoughts on the replacement, but here’s a [not so] brief recap:
Ruled out up front the new 4R, it’s a solid SUV, but in 2018 it's time for a better transmission, the electronics are kind of dated (no CarPlay).
We really fell in love with the Jeep GC Overland with the High Altitude Package (we dig blacked out trim, dark wheels, dug the 5.7L V8 option, the look, the electronics.
Then, a 3rd row got more priority, JGC off the table.
We considered a land behemoth, Suburban/Yukon / Excursion, but they get stupid expensive quickly, ruled them out also because of their slightly too big size.
Ruled out the German options, they're just silly with option expenses, we owned a X5 4.4i so been there done that, and there are no local dealers (Audi and BMW dealers are a crappy hour drive away ...)
The Explorer Sport isn't a bad option, but there's a few things where it falls short (tranny, 3rd row space, a few other things).
The MDX popped up on the radar, but not the regular model, the Sport Hybrid, it's sporty, quick, has outstanding build/fit/finish, and 3rd row seats, however, it can't tow, and ultimately neither of us was a fan of the design.
My most recent post about this was highly favoring the Durango R/T, it looks great, has nearly the same seating room (3 row) as much bigger SUVs, Hemi is standard, sport lowered suspension, dynamic AWD with an actual low range (2-speed), for MY18 CarPlay and AA, same electronics as the GC (they’re outstanding), lots of passive and active safety (lane control, ACC),heated/cooled everything, inc. the 2nd row, remote start/hatch including smart app control, tows a bunch, easily.
SUVs can be boring to begin with, so we loved the idea of an in-your-face package like the R/T with a Hemi, with all blacked out trim, black chrome interior bits, and a big, bold color. This has the Blacktop package, so the wheels and side mirrors are black, the contrast looks pretty terrific against the exterior we chose.
We originally we're shopping Octane Red, it's kind of the "hot" color right now (see lots of small SAVs in that color), you know, the darker, +almost+ shifting into burgundy-ish type red - I really started digging the more red-red (Redline), it's a 2-stage pearl coat like Octane - plus all the other red highlights (all the interior stitching, etc.) match the Redline. The wife didn't care too much, just loved the overall look of the R/T (new for ‘18 it has the front, rear, over fenders and the awesome ducted/vented hood of the SRT).
Funny how this came together, we're headed OOT, and found this DDRT at a dealer on the way to our destination (Universal)!
So we're drove our "trade", the T4R which was really just a dealer buy since we're not applying any money from it, picking up the new ride, loading it up, continuing on our trip
So the new ride ...
'18 DD R/T Redline Pearl
AWD
Tech
Tow
Blacktop
Capt's Chairs
Redline with black interior. Funny enough my car is black with a red interior ... and the interior option is called Redline (it was meant to be
Only got about an hour driving it (highway) but extremely pleased so far. It’s currently just hanging out in the parking garage at the resort while we relax at the pool with some tasty beverages
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Looks awesome. As I said the other day, it's a great looking car and seems to make you guys happy and that's what counts. It does look pretty mean, so it'll stand out in the sea of SUVs. Octane Red always gives me a hankering for liver and onions. It's one of those things.
I suspect the other part of your trip turned out to be an awesome surprise, too.
Anyway, like I said, it'll contrast with your Mustang that's black with red trim here and there. One thing that surprises me is I had no freaking idea the Durango came with captain's chairs. Unless I did recommend it/bring it up and my memory sucks. Happy cruising!RE Toyota 4 Runner: I caught Doug Lovato's video last week of an optioned out 4 Runner with a metallic blue paint. I had to rewind three times thinking I was hearing the total price wrong. Toyota could charge an extra 15 grand and people would still buy it. INSANE!
Most of us gawk at the new Accord's pricing when optioned out, but Toyota takes it to a whole new level on an old platform and non-efficient engine, while not having newer tech.
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Just how institutions work. I ran into this issue when I bought my first dealer car a few decades ago. Generally with large purchases, you want a cashier's check. Any good dealer will call up the bank and verify the issuance is legitimate. You dealt with a crappy dealer and I guess your CU is to blame, too.
These days buying something expensive as a car or property is a vastly different experience. Plus it comes with espresso and dessert. They've got some health consequence crap, too. You know, that stuff that looks and tastes like gerbil food.
That said, for my current car which I bought a while back I did a trade in, plus check and paid off the rest of the balance within 6-8 months. I paid just over MSRP for something that was just about fully loaded. Repeat customer benefit, I suppose. When car shopping, go for someone middle aged or older. They're a no-bull-**** type of person unlike the younger rascals that behave like sharks wanting a meal. And those rascals, such drama queens.
The CU is not to blame really, imo. They did not put a stop on my check.Looks awesome. As I said the other day, it's a great looking car and seems to make you guys happy and that's what counts. It does look pretty mean, so it'll stand out in the sea of SUVs. Octane Red always gives me a hankering for liver and onions. It's one of those things.
I suspect the other part of your trip turned out to be an awesome surprise, too.
RE Toyota 4 Runner: I caught Doug Lovato's video last week of an optioned out 4 Runner with a metallic blue paint. I had to rewind three times thinking I was hearing the total price wrong. Toyota could charge an extra 15 grand and people would still buy it. INSANE!
Most of us gawk at the new Accord's pricing when optioned out, but Toyota takes it to a whole new level on an old platform and non-efficient engine, while not having newer tech.
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Just how institutions work. I ran into this issue when I bought my first dealer car a few decades ago. Generally with large purchases, you want a cashier's check. Any good dealer will call up the bank and verify the issuance is legitimate. You dealt with a crappy dealer and I guess your CU is to blame, too.
These days buying something expensive as a car or property is a vastly different experience. Plus it comes with espresso and dessert. They've got some health consequence crap, too. You know, that stuff that looks and tastes like gerbil food.
That said, for my current car which I bought a while back I did a trade in, plus check and paid off the rest of the balance within 6-8 months. I paid just over MSRP for something that was just about fully loaded. Repeat customer benefit, I suppose. When car shopping, go for someone middle aged or older. They're a no-bull-**** type of person unlike the younger rascals that behave like sharks wanting a meal. And those rascals, such drama queens.
Elon Musk Made some interesting announcements and statements:
Its announced the Model 3 will now be offered in July with a performance model that has the ability to have a dual motor AWD that will top at 155 MPH at 0-60 in 3.5. It includes a carbon fiber spoiler, 20” wheels and white/black interior. Starting price is at $78,000. (Considering a base model starts around $35,000).
Musk quotes: “The AWD performance Model 3 [Can beat anything in its class at the track].”
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/05/19...ns-for-teslas-model-3-calling-it-amazing.html
Its announced the Model 3 will now be offered in July with a performance model that has the ability to have a dual motor AWD that will top at 155 MPH at 0-60 in 3.5. It includes a carbon fiber spoiler, 20” wheels and white/black interior. Starting price is at $78,000. (Considering a base model starts around $35,000).
Musk quotes: “The AWD performance Model 3 [Can beat anything in its class at the track].”
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/05/19...ns-for-teslas-model-3-calling-it-amazing.html
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All the current models sold are all around $75,000 for a $35,000 car. Until they can sell at close to $35,000, this is meaningless.
My thoughts are is someone willing to pay $78,000 for a EV That has a few Additional cosmetic options and a second drive motor? By the way, it does Not even include auto pilot in the performance model for this price. If someone was willing to Pay $78,000, why not just buy the Model S P85D, Which starts around $75,000 AND is just as fast (Maybe slightly faster), which I also believe you can opt for ludicrous mode, if its not already included.
Musk is pushing the performance marketing, just a guess, perhaps its because Porsche has their EV in the upcoming.
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Maybe, but I'm more inclined to believe that performance models have such high margins that Tesla almost has to push them. It would appear Tesla simply cannot afford to sell a $35,000 BEV.
On The topic of Tesla, I also found out that our Council Board just approved three charging stations will be allocated variously throughout our City. The first one Is to be in our downtown district (Not surprising) where the most traffic is prevalent. Something that has been discussed a lot why we didn’t have any charging stations in our area for over two years, being it’s a large city.
Something else to add, apparently now they are also going introduce some option in an app where the owner can opt for service where the vehicle can be picked up at their location without any type of hassle if their vehicle needs servicing.
Something else to add, apparently now they are also going introduce some option in an app where the owner can opt for service where the vehicle can be picked up at their location without any type of hassle if their vehicle needs servicing.
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Just how many new future vehicles do you think Elon can introduce to the world before they latch onto reality and figure out what Tesla's doing?
So on the lower end, the Highlander doesn't stack up vs. the base model DD, the latter comes standard with way more tow, the Highlander is sort of gutless with the base 2.7L 185HP option.
When you get into the mid/upper range Highlander with the 3.5L, it starts to balance out with the DD, the latter still has a good bit better tow capacity, and price comparison I haven't done a feature-vs-feature in the mid-range, there's a lot to consider: AWD options (FWIW, the DD is RWD when not AWD), electronics, safety, convenience, and of course more subjective stuff like styling. The Highlander does have 8 vs. 7 passenger (without 2nd row captains chair in either), but that's a 3rd row, limited travel distance, the DD has excellent space in all three rows, not from just specs, but actually sitting in the seats. Toyota is also _way_ behind in the electronics department, still no CP/AA, the overall system tech in the DD is extremely good (UConnection on an 8.4" display with an additional 7" drivers console display).
I'd imagine at the highest trim they both have plenty of tech: ACC, lane control, parking assist, all sorts of heated, cooled interior components, remote access, etc.
Then when you get into the next level of DD in terms of capacity/performance (not even counting the beastly SRT), the the Highlander get's really left behind, the 5.7L Hemi V8 (360/390) pushes the tow capacity up to 7400 lbs adds a better transmission, HD brakes - with the tow package it has oil coolers, transmission coolers, auto-leveling suspension - the R/T model (that's what we purchased) has sport suspension with selectable steering and throttle controls, Nappa leather, unique black chrome trim/front/rear facias, SRT hood, etc. Also the R/T with AWD is on demand + 2-speed diff with low range (i.e., off-road, it's way more capable).
The Highlander does offer a hybrid model which is kind of neat (reduces the tow capacity a good bit), the DD has a big gas tank, so even with the Hemi, it still should see a good 500+ miles of range.
DDs start at $29K, and for a loaded AWD R/T (with the few options for the trim level) get up to $50K-55K.
The dealer where we scored the new ride had some +nice+ classic MOPARs in the showroom (the owner is a huge car guy / collector). Just a couple of pics:
I love out Highlander Limited and use it occasionally for towing UHaul type trailers. It serves our needs well, gets good gas mileage, but I’m embarrassed to say I don’t know what size engine it has. If anything has aggravated me, it’s that this model (2013) is not easy to update it’s installed gps map. The dealer has to do it. that’s ok because I have my iPhone/Waze and a portable Garmin with lifetime maps, so I don’t update it.
Oh, the Toyota tailgate issue after I swapped out the tail light assembly, seems to have resolved itself.
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Drool...
Found a minimal amount of oil under the SHO yesterday. Fairly disgruntled. I’m assuming it’s when I had my oil changed last week, the tech likely spilled some and it trickled its way down to the ground. I realize when oil hits the ground, it expands, so its likely a non-issue hopefully, Either way; it won’t reach the dealership until Tuesday due to the extended Holiday.
I love out Highlander Limited and use it occasionally for towing UHaul type trailers. It serves our needs well, gets good gas mileage, but I’m embarrassed to say I don’t know what size engine it has. If anything has aggravated me, it’s that this model (2013) is not easy to update it’s installed gps map. The dealer has to do it. that’s ok because I have my iPhone/Waze and a portable Garmin with lifetime maps, so I don’t update it.
Oh, the Toyota tailgate issue after I swapped out the tail light assembly, seems to have resolved itself.
Drool...
Oh yeah, I was just framing the new ride in the context of alternatives (specifically the Highlander since you mentioned it, how much you paid, etc.). The Highlander is a very solid choice, especially if you plan on keeping it for 3+ years, or buying it used - we won't keep this DD past 36 months, it'll always be under warranty (even maintenance), I'm back to wanting to keep the family vehicle always new without any unknown costs.
The owner's collection was pretty amazing, in the pickup lane, his custom SRT Challenger was right next to our new DDRT, same color/scheme ... looked good, made me think ...
So, here's the thing. I heard this on a podcast and I believe it. Musk has an odd relationship to the media because Tesla cannot afford traditional marketing and advertising. Musk admits that Tesla doesn't advertise. The media is the only way to hear about Teslas. For this reason, when the tech media was promoting how great and innovative Tesla was, all was well. When it became clear Tesla is not a good manufacturer of automobiles, the media turned its tide. Now Musk is calling out the media because he can't afford bad press.
I’m not sure if I mentioned this here or another forum discussing Tesla, but I find it amazing how much Elon is struggling to get Tesla going, but SpaceX is hitting its stride.
Who knew electric cars were more complicated than rocket science. Ignoring the QC and production issues, I’m still a fan of Tesla. Just for the fact for disrupting the status quo and trying to change how things are done( like being able to do direct sales vs the dealership system).
Who knew electric cars were more complicated than rocket science.
Ignoring the QC and production issues, I’m still a fan of Tesla. Just for the fact for disrupting the status quo and trying to change how things are done( like being able to do direct sales vs the dealership system).
I actually appreciate Musk in his achievements and I like Tesla as a whole, as I don’t have an issue with Tesla as some do. (You know... the _typical_ garbage media complaints about “Tesla is going bankrupt”, “Tesla can’t build a proper car, Look At those Panel gaps” [I like this next media complaint ->] “Tesla knowingly selling defective vehicles” or “Buyers reporting Model 3 issues”, {and} “Tesla reports “Biggest loss ever”, or the endless frivolous rant about “Model 3 Delays”).
Aside from the media hype:
I would say Tesla has the lead right now with not much competition. But obviously that will change clearly with other contenders like Jaguar, Audi, Porsche and Mercedes all on board with their own electric vehices. The concern that I mentioned earlier in a previous post, is The large city I live in has no charging stations until approved about a week ago (Not sure when they will be installed or how long it takes either), and we are about to receive our first three (Which actually, is was set to have six, but somehow it was decreased to three). I think that is where their needs to be more continuity for accessibility to the driver for when they might need it.
And as small as it might seem, I mentioned previously Tesla is looking at implementing some type of application where the owner can select service from their current location to have the vehicle picked up directly without any type of hassle or paperwork. I think that is something that might prove to be a convenience factor when needed.
Aside from the media hype:
I would say Tesla has the lead right now with not much competition. But obviously that will change clearly with other contenders like Jaguar, Audi, Porsche and Mercedes all on board with their own electric vehices. The concern that I mentioned earlier in a previous post, is The large city I live in has no charging stations until approved about a week ago (Not sure when they will be installed or how long it takes either), and we are about to receive our first three (Which actually, is was set to have six, but somehow it was decreased to three). I think that is where their needs to be more continuity for accessibility to the driver for when they might need it.
And as small as it might seem, I mentioned previously Tesla is looking at implementing some type of application where the owner can select service from their current location to have the vehicle picked up directly without any type of hassle or paperwork. I think that is something that might prove to be a convenience factor when needed.
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Nice ride.The lighting is fun, especially combined with the mean ~n~ nasty front end
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(It's super bright white IRL, and the LED strip under the main headlights looks very slick - fogs are pairs of projector of LEDs as well)
Looks nice, DT. The sporty suspension must be a godsend on long road trips? Firm but smooth. And not smooth and wobbly.
Good post. Very good, and it's something I wanted to post, too. Though, it wasn't what I was alluding to. My point was, that at a certain point, even Tesla's fan boys will realize the company makes grand promises and delivers on some. And that each major unveiling sole goal is to raise capital to begin the project. The facts you pointed out merely solidifies that theory. Though, the funny bit is he's doing Queen Orange Julius's shtick. I would have thought a clever man like Elon would have realized that hasn't worked for anyone but the tangelo himself.
Well, it's WAY better today, the tires were super overinflated from the dealer (that's generally how they store/ship), so it was getting a little too much road feedback, down to the manufacturers spec (~36 psi), cross checked with my good gauge vs. the car info display.
But yeah, in general I don't like floaty feeling vehicles, this has a much more confident feel, the seats are supportive, comfortable but not mushy. This is only our 3rd day of actual use since Thursday, we picked it up, I drive an hour to the resort, drove it ~2 hours home on Sunday, then today the wife finally got to drive it (hahaha, and it's her car).
The paint is way slicker than I realized, I thought the Octane was the 2/3-stage, and the Redline was more a traditional "flat" red, but it's got a beautiful pearl 2-stage topcoat, really sparkled and adds a ton of depth.
Ordering these
Here's what I see as the difference between SpaceX and Tesla:
SpaceX basically can devote all its attention to a single unit at a time. Launching a rocket is a big deal, and you have time to cross your Ts and dot your is before launching it. Countdowns to launch often start a week out, and can be halted up to the time the engines fire if something isn't right.
By contrast, Tesla is turning out(relatively) large volumes of consumer products and they lose some control over them when they get in the hands of consumers. Of course, Tesla does have a tighter leash on cars after they leave the factory-something that actually makes me a bit nervous even though it allows quick fixes(as opposed to the FCA cruise control problem, which is apparently software related but requires a few hours at the dealer to fix).
There's also the fact that, regardless of the power source, you're still fundamentally building a car. Probably the most significant competition now to the Model 3 is the Chevy Bolt-a car that you can actually get and get it for well under $40K-and they're going up against a company that has been making cars for over 100 years. That's not to say that the Bolt is problem free, but from what I've seen the reliability is at least as good as Tesla and there are Chevy dealers all over the place.
Also, I think that Tesla sometimes tries to reinvent the wheel too much. I detest touch screens in cars. If I want to change the temperature or radio volume in my car, I'd much rather have a button or knob I can reach out and grab.
SpaceX basically can devote all its attention to a single unit at a time. Launching a rocket is a big deal, and you have time to cross your Ts and dot your is before launching it. Countdowns to launch often start a week out, and can be halted up to the time the engines fire if something isn't right.
By contrast, Tesla is turning out(relatively) large volumes of consumer products and they lose some control over them when they get in the hands of consumers. Of course, Tesla does have a tighter leash on cars after they leave the factory-something that actually makes me a bit nervous even though it allows quick fixes(as opposed to the FCA cruise control problem, which is apparently software related but requires a few hours at the dealer to fix).
There's also the fact that, regardless of the power source, you're still fundamentally building a car. Probably the most significant competition now to the Model 3 is the Chevy Bolt-a car that you can actually get and get it for well under $40K-and they're going up against a company that has been making cars for over 100 years. That's not to say that the Bolt is problem free, but from what I've seen the reliability is at least as good as Tesla and there are Chevy dealers all over the place.
Also, I think that Tesla sometimes tries to reinvent the wheel too much. I detest touch screens in cars. If I want to change the temperature or radio volume in my car, I'd much rather have a button or knob I can reach out and grab.