The Car Thread ... !

[Apple fanboy]

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Didn't say home chargers. It's the lithium batteries that catch fire. Seems they catch fire in an accident easy but its just what i see in the news here.
You can search for those too, it happens.

Here is one that mentions the % but not sure this is the exact one. I don't recall where it came from.
Not sure why it matters so much unless you are a keep up with the Jones type and think it's the cool thing to do.
There are several articles and you could find it yourself if you are so interested. Also not sure why it matters, which car. Its an overall survey. Again, you want details, you can look that up. I just did a quick search. But here's one. I am in the USA so its going to mostly talk about us in the USA with a mention of other areas.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/automotive/half-us-ev-owners-switch-back-normal-cars-study/

What you said was 49% of UK EV owners would switch back to petrol.

That isn't the point. It's expensive to get a charger in your garage. Agree it's convenient, til it catches fire. Unless they want to use a basic 120v power that takes hours and hours to charge the car,....and it's 49% UK people that said they would go back to ICE. That's even more than us.
You like it and that's great but half the people seem to not be sold on it.

I think what they do and the electronic info is cool on the inside and it's cheaper than had to charge at a charge station but as of now, I've no plans to buy a EV anytime soon..

But the article you spent the day looking for says US.

It matters because whenever false narrative is posted it needs to be corrected. The search I posted shows it to be between 88-92% that wouldn’t switch back. This matches the experience of every EV driver I’ve spoken to (well technically that’s 100%) but I appreciate it’s a small sample unlike my Google search.

Also they don’t catch fire easily by accident as you say. Again the number of EV fires per 10,000 cars is much less than hybrid or ICE cars.

Like I have said many times maybe EV’s aren’t for you. But to say half the owners want to switch back or they catch fire is false.

Again think about who benefits from spreading this nonsense. It’s a shame that some people believe this false information.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Look, those of you that think EVs are great, That's nice. Its the all new thing. Doesnt mean its better but it can be and still has a way to go.

It was a interesting thought at first for me till thinking about it more. Id only be interested in a self driving car which i tell it where I want to go, and I sit back and watch TV or do whatever. ..take a nap. We are far from that being perfected.
I've driven golf cart type vehicles many times over the years and I just prefer gas engines cars for driving around town and long trips. Im just more a car enthusiest than an adapter.
My guess is Gen Z is the most interested in EVs but even they have to shell out the money and they like convenience more than anyone.
I don't knock anyone for wanting an EV it's just for me, they have a way to go and I'm not an early adopter of most things.
Hec I don't even care if I have the latest phone or the latest update that some go crazy over.
Just because I am here and replied to this, doesn't mean I'm in the market for a EV.

You call it mis information because it doesnt suit your purchase of one. Everybody wants to be verified they did the right thing.

Far too late to be an early adopter now. They’ve been out for years. The technology is proven and is here to stay.

 

[Vegastouch]

What you said was 49% of UK EV owners would switch back to petrol.

But the article you spent the day looking for says US.

It matters because whenever false narrative is posted it needs to be corrected. The search I posted shows it to be between 88-92% that wouldn’t switch back. This matches the experience of every EV driver I’ve spoken to (well technically that’s 100%) but I appreciate it’s a small sample unlike my Google search.

Also they don’t catch fire easily by accident as you say. Again the number of EV fires per 10,000 cars is much less than hybrid or ICE cars.

Like I have said many times maybe EV’s aren’t for you. But to say half the owners want to switch back or they catch fire is false.

Again think about who benefits from spreading this nonsense. It’s a shame that some people believe this false information.

No it doesn't. 46% says US. Says 49% UK. Not my fault you didn't interpret it the way it's written.
It really isn't that important to me,.... you guys are making a big deal of out an article I didn't write. Believe it, don't believe it,. .....I don't care! I did not say anything, I posted an article.

Write to them and ask them to correct it. They did the survey, you have not done a survey so your can't say either way.

Wheres your survey for the care fire numbers?
Your username says alot about your arguments.

 

[Apple fanboy]

No it doesn't. 46% says US. Says 49% UK. Not my fault you didn't interpret it the way it's written.
It really isn't that important to me,.... you guys are making a big deal of out an article I didn't write. Believe it, don't believe it,. .....I don't care! I did not say anything, I posted an article.

Write to them and ask them to correct it. They did the survey, you have not done a survey so your can't say either way.

Wheres your survey for the care fire numbers?
Your username says alot about your arguments.

I posted 4 surveys this morning in a 30 second search. All say different to the one you found. You say you don’t care. I believe you. I really do.

I care. That’s why I can no longer buy ice vehicles. I can’t see the planet continue to heat up and not care. But we are all different. Some people care about others. Some don’t.

Posted this chart yesterday in this thread.

As for my username lol. Says absolutely nothing about me.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Lol, well sorry I didn't even know this thread existed til recently. I don't think it's misinformation, you just don't like it.
I'm not being negative, just saying I'm not going to buy an EV based on they have a ways to go ,....for my liking. Didn't say, I didn't like anything.
I haven't told anyone they made a bad choice and I won't.
Don't be so sensitive.

How can you say with a straight face that it is not misinformation when the official source clearly states that ICE vehicles are just over 60x likely to be involved in a fire? That is not me being sensitive, that is you being disingenuous 🤷‍♂️ It simply is what it is, a verifiable and measurable fact.

 

[Vegastouch]

I posted 4 surveys this morning in a 30 second search. All say different to the one you found. You say you don’t care. I believe you. I really do.

I care. That’s why I can no longer buy ice vehicles. I can’t see the planet continue to heat up and not care. But we are all different. Some people care about others. Some don’t.

Posted this chart yesterday in this thread.
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As for my username lol. Says absolutely nothing about me.

Lol my first reply got deleted
So I'll just reply to your last comment. And yes your username does say alot. I'm sure you have similar arguments about Android users too that you just can't get past, so kind of the same thing going on here.

It's all good.

 

[I7guy]

A few points for @Vegastouch
1. The US grid can handle the current load: https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/can-the-nations-electrical-grid-support-electric-cars
2. The government has allocated resources toward the grid: usenergy.gov
3. AFB is from the UK

Whatever your beliefs are you are entitled to them. But EVs are here, the grid will be fine. That "study" says nothing just like so many others on the internet.

 

[Vegastouch]

How can you say with a straight face that it is not misinformation when the official source clearly states that ICE vehicles are just over 60x likely to be involved in a fire? That is not me being sensitive, that is you being disingenuous 🤷‍♂️ It simply is what it is, a verifiable and measurable fact.

It's not but whatever. I can post other stats to, just not going to. It's fruitless. Like what you like and be happy.

 

[Vegastouch]

A few points for @Vegastouch
1. The US grid can handle the current load: https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/can-the-nations-electrical-grid-support-electric-cars
2. The government has allocated resources toward the grid: usenergy.gov
3. AFB is from the UK

Whatever your beliefs are you are entitled to them. But EVs are here, the grid will be fine. That "study" says nothing just like so many others on the internet.

No it won't.
Your must not live in Texas or CA.

 

[I7guy]

No it won't.
Your must not live in Texas or CA.

Your argument is a case of taking a specific data point and making it the general case. A time honored internet tradition to be sure.

And do you have a citation that the grid issues in California and Texas are EV related. Here is some data from 2023:

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Maps and Data - Electric Vehicle Registrations by State

- CA 1.2M
- FL .254M
- TX .152M
- NJ .134M

You're welcome to believe what you want, but the data proves you wrong.

 

[Vegastouch]

Your argument is a case of taking a specific data point and making it the general case. A time honored internet tradition to be sure.

And do you have a citation that the grid issues in California and Texas are EV related. Here is some data from 2023:

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Maps and Data - Electric Vehicle Registrations by State

- CA 1.2M
- FL .254M
- TX .152M
- NJ .134M

You're welcome to believe what you want, but the data proves you wrong.

Ok, just wait.

 

[jz0309]

No it won't.
Your must not live in Texas or CA.

I stayed out of this as it is another FUD conversation, but:
SHOW the data that the CA grid cannot handle EV charging please.
Because it can just fine, we have not had rolling blackouts for the past 2 years.
And please don’t bring up the pilot that EA is doing to limit charge time, that ONLY has to do with managing the congestion at chargers, because, there currently are more EVs than the non-Tesla charging network can accommodate in the greater LA area.

 

[I7guy]

Ok, just wait.

I'm sure there are some "studies" out there - maybe conspiratorial.

But my links are from government websites.

And it doesn't mean things are all hunky-dory in EV land. But as the technology continues to ramp up and more end-to-end process are put in place to handle the cradle to grave lifecycles of EVs and materials, things will be fine. And because things are not picture perfect 24x7 in every square inch of the United States, doesn't mean they are in the toilet either.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

It's not but whatever. I can post other stats to, just not going to. It's fruitless. Like what you like and be happy.

The stats are from your government department 🤷‍♂️ There are no other official stats. This is getting rather weird and surreal. You could have chosen to just say, oh yeah I didn’t know that I was wrong. Yet you seem to want to double down. Most peculiar behavior.

 

[ducknalddon]

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I wonder why hybrid is so far out there. I'm not surprised it is higher than gas, you would expect that as it has more technology to cause a problem but those figures seem particularly extreme.

Unless it is caused by a specific model. I know we have had a lot of problems in the UK with Range Rovers catching fire, could it be something similar in the US.

 

[Alameda]

A few points for @Vegastouch
1. The US grid can handle the current load: https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/can-the-nations-electrical-grid-support-electric-cars
2. The government has allocated resources toward the grid: usenergy.gov
3. AFB is from the UK

Whatever your beliefs are you are entitled to them. But EVs are here, the grid will be fine. That "study" says nothing just like so many others on the internet.

Engineering Explained shows exactly how the US Power Grid could handle the demands even if every car in the US was electric:

 

[Apple fanboy]

I wonder why hybrid is so far out there. I'm not surprised it is higher than gas, you would expect that as it has more technology to cause a problem but those figures seem particularly extreme.

Unless it is caused by a specific model. I know we have had a lot of problems in the UK with Range Rovers catching fire, could it be something similar in the US.

I've always thought of Hybrid as the worst of both worlds.

I guess because whatever causes so many petrol fires plus whatever causes EV fires are both present. So it's kind of damed both ways so to speak. Plus they are more complex than either due to the way they work and potentially self charge. So lots to go wrong potentially.

 

[Vegastouch]

I'm sure there are some "studies" out there - maybe conspiratorial.

But my links are from government websites.

And it doesn't mean things are all hunky-dory in EV land. But as the technology continues to ramp up and more end-to-end process are put in place to handle the cradle to grave lifecycles of EVs and materials, things will be fine. And because things are not picture perfect 24x7 in every square inch of the United States, doesn't mean they are in the toilet either.

Not disregarding but the Government is wrong often. They don't seem to want to upgrade any of our infrastructure til bad things happen

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

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Didn't say home chargers. It's the lithium batteries that catch fire. Seems they catch fire in an accident easy but its just what i see in the news here.
You can search for those too, it happens.

Here is one that mentions the % but not sure this is the exact one. I don't recall where it came from.
Not sure why it matters so much unless you are a keep up with the Jones type and think it's the cool thing to do.
There are several articles and you could find it yourself if you are so interested. Also not sure why it matters, which car. Its an overall survey. Again, you want details, you can look that up. I just did a quick search. But here's one. I am in the USA so its going to mostly talk about us in the USA with a mention of other areas.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/automotive/half-us-ev-owners-switch-back-normal-cars-study/

EV’s aren’t catching fire whilst charging in concerning numbers so not going to spend anytime worrying about that. They don’t catch fire easily and commonly in accidents either and are responsible for 0.013% of vehicle fires in the UK which is extremely low.

If you don’t want one, you don’t have to convince me. I couldn’t give a toss what you drive, just don’t post propaganda and expect everybody to worry about it.

 

[xJustxMegx]

I got my new work car today, a Toyota Aygo X and I must say it's awesome!

 

[Vegastouch]

EV’s aren’t catching fire whilst charging in concerning numbers so not going to spend anytime worrying about that. They don’t catch fire easily and commonly in accidents either and are responsible for 0.013% of vehicle fires in the UK which is extremely low.

If you don’t want one, you don’t have to convince me. I couldn’t give a toss what you drive, just don’t post propaganda and expect everybody to worry about it.

Not trying to convince anyone. I said my peace and getting some punch back. I don't care who buys them, I'm not planning to. No harm, no foul.

 

[jz0309]

I got my new work car today, a Toyota Aygo X and I must say it's awesome!

never head of that model (I'm in the US) - can you post a pic?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not trying to convince anyone. I said my peace and getting some punch back. I don't care who buys them, I'm not planning to. No harm, no foul.

I just don’t get the ‘fire’ comments when we’ve been driving around in cars powered by flammable substances for decades. Over a 100k ICE vehicles catch fire in my country every year yet nobody comments on this with any alarm. Why? Because EV’s are change, and change they don’t want to accept so they exaggerate the minuscule incidents with those to convince themselves not to transition to them.

Worrying about cars catching fire whilst charging but we stand next to our cars for several minutes pumping fuel into ICE vehicles but again, no worries there because we are used to it and it’s not a change we don’t want to make. I hear all the negative things about EV’s from people who have never driven or lived with them, so have no experience with them, yet seem to know all about the dangers. These people don’t listen to those that have driven them though and take all their advice from social media posts and from other non-EV drivers.

 

[Vegastouch]

I just don’t get the ‘fire’ comments when we’ve been driving around in cars powered by flammable substances for decades. Over a 100k ICE vehicles catch fire in my country every year yet nobody comments on this with any alarm. Why? Because EV’s are change, and change they don’t want to accept so they exaggerate the minuscule incidents with those to convince themselves not to transition to them.

Worrying about cars catching fire whilst charging but we stand next to our cars for several minutes pumping fuel into ICE vehicles but again, no worries there because we are used to it and it’s not a change we don’t want to make. I hear all the negative things about EV’s from people who have never driven or lived with them, so have no experience with them, yet seem to know all about the dangers. These people do listen to those that have driven them though and take all their advice from social media posts and from other non-EV drivers.

I didn't go by statistics just went by what I see on the news and YouTube and seems it's the often, and by some experience.
More concerned that the batteries when they catch fire, won't go out.

We had a truck carrying a bunch of batteries that turned over on its side on the highway here and they caught fire, and they closed the highway for three days till it went out.as they couldn't put it out.

I worked at a old power plant in CA a few years ago that they went to a huge battery bank if lithium batteries and they catch fire all the time and we had to replace a crap load of them because they are stacked and when I've goes, it catches others on fire.

While we were there, another building had some catch on fire. So I've been around them as well I'm not just shooting from the hip.

I'm sure it's still going on but I'm not in CA now and haven't been since.

Like I said, I'm just interested in them at this time. They aren't ready imo for convenience and what I'd want out of them.

That's just me, you guys are buying,. Cool. It's your money

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I didn't go by statistics just went by what I see on the news and YouTube and seems it's the often.
More concerned that the batteries when they catch fire, won't go off.

We had a truck carrying a bunch of batteries that turned over on its side on the highway here and they caught fire, and they closed the highway for three days till it went out.as they couldn't put it out.

I worked at a old power plant in CA a few years ago that they went to a huge battery bank if lithium batteries and they catch fire all the time and we had to replace a crap load of them and while we were there, another building had some catch in fire. So I've been around them as well I'm not just shooting from the hip.

I'm sure it's still going on but I'm not in CA now and haven't been since.

Like I said, I'm just interested in them at this time. They aren't ready imo for convenience and what I'd want out of them.

That's just me, you guys are buying,. Cool. It's your money

They are ready as they are being used all over the world. It’s just your region isn’t up to speed if it’s true what you claim. They are plenty convenient enough in Europe and we have no issues travelling long distances and charging at home here. I drove 197 miles in ours today, all motorway and no issues whatsoever. It’s sat on my drive now charging and not on fire.