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2298754

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Went to a huge Italian car show in Brookline, MA today! Unreal number of Ferraris and Lambos!

http://larzanderson.org/events/lawn-events/2015lawnschedule/tutto15/

Album link with more pics: http://imgur.com/a/5MdTk

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D.T.

macrumors G4
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Sep 15, 2011
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Vilano Beach, FL
Huge Italian ... like Fat Tony?

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That looks like a terrific show - after I slop the hogs, I'm going to spend some quality time with your most excellent photos.
 

puma1552

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Nov 20, 2008
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Seriously giving consideration to giving up the 5.0. Haven't broached the subject to the wife yet since she will probably have my balls on a platter for looking to maybe get into the third new vehicle since we bought her new '12 Beetle three years ago...

I've always been pretty anti-lease but it's starting to maybe make more sense for me, or at least maybe for one time to reduce expenses. I've had three cars since coming home from Japan in late 2011. I financed $32k for the Mustang at the top tier interest rate of 2% for 6 years and have a payment of about $475. It's a comfortable payment, comfortable enough I pay a little extra each month. I owe $25.5k, which is probably pretty borderline on breaking even (would not unload unless I was even or better on trade). Haven't looked into what Brembo GT Premiums with all the goodies have been going for, but trade should be around that area.

However since we just bought a house two months ago, I'm just thinking that if I downsized and did a true zero down lease on something, I could cut the payment in half. In the interim before that lease is up, my wife's car would be paid off as would the last tail end of my student loans. Next time around I could either lease something else and keep the cheap payments, or buy something again at that point and pay it down quickly. Also a factor here is a 23 mile commute I have to work each way now, though the job situation will probably change sooner than later. 19.9 mpg average with lots of rush hour traffic is amazing for a 420 hp V8, but it still eats away at your pocket. Insurance probably won't matter, my Mustang costs about the same as any other car I've had.

So I was looking to just get into something bulletproof, something that is zero hassle which brings me to - dare I say it - a new Honda. I was thinking of either a Civic EX-L, or an Accord Sport. Comparable sticker prices, and trying to limit myself to the sport trim on the Accord to really keep the payment low enough that it's actually worth giving up the 5.0. *Note* either of these would be 2016 models, which should be substantially better (refreshed Accord, redesigned Civic), so this wouldn't happen for a couple months at least.

The Accord is probably the better car overall, but in the Sport trim you give up quite a few features compared to the Civic EX-L. Too bad the sport trim is a trim and not a package that can be added to any trim, because it's easily the best looking Accord for sale which is a consolation on the features given up at least. It's also probably the more appropriate, "grown-up" choice for a 31 year old chemical engineer. Biggest downer to the Accord sport (which doesn't seem to be changing for 2016) is halogen headlights, swore I'd never ever buy another halogen headlight car.

The Civic has all the bells and whistles, and in 2016 a higher trim will likely have LED headlights to finally bring it in line with the Corolla. Better features, but maybe a bit more juvenile. Coming from muscle cars I don't at all want to get mistaken for an import tuner (either car would stay bone stock though so maybe no big deal).

Both cars are slow as ****, so who cares about that. The biggest benefit to either car is I wouldn't have to detail it and obsess about it like I already do the Mustang, the Camaro, and my wife's Beetle. I could just drive it, run it through the wash, etc. Just drive and not worry about having to be meticulous with it, which would be liberating.

What do you guys think on A) the choice to get into a lease to reduce the payment by a solid $200-$250 plus a gas savings, and B) which of those two choices? Just looking at the lease configurator on a local dealer's website with the advertised modest discounts, I could lease either of these, sign and drive with $0 out of pocket for about $285/month with 15,000 miles per year. I suspect I could negotiate the sticker price lower and get closer to $250/mo on either. I also realize at $300/month I could look at A3s and 320s, but not with 0 down and not optioned how I'd like - if I were to buy an A3, I would never go 1.8 FWD, it would have to be 2.0 Quattro etc., but by the time I did that and added options then I no longer have a substantial enough gap against the Mustang payment to actually make this worth doing.
 

senseless

macrumors 68000
Apr 23, 2008
1,887
257
Pennsylvania, USA
With all the transaction costs and depreciation hit from buying and selling, I would just stick with the Mustang GT until it's paid off. Switching to a Civic is going to be a let down, anyway. Those advertised special leases are probably for stripper base models you would hate driving.
 

AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Oct 20, 2011
12,699
10,567
Austin, TX
With all the transaction costs and depreciation hit from buying and selling, I would just stick with the Mustang GT until it's paid off. Switching to a Civic is going to be a let down, anyway. Those advertised special leases are probably for stripper base models you would hate driving.
While I mostly agree, the GT is probably worth more now than it will ever be. I wouldn't sell a Mustang to switch to something more economical, but if he wants to go Honda, he needs to go Accord and get the latest and greatest so he gets Carplay/Android Auto. That's not quite out yet.
 

AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Oct 20, 2011
12,699
10,567
Austin, TX
The Accord is probably the better car overall, but in the Sport trim you give up quite a few features compared to the Civic EX-L. Too bad the sport trim is a trim and not a package that can be added to any trim, because it's easily the best looking Accord for sale which is a consolation on the features given up at least. It's also probably the more appropriate, "grown-up" choice for a 31 year old chemical engineer. Biggest downer to the Accord sport (which doesn't seem to be changing for 2016) is halogen headlights, swore I'd never ever buy another halogen headlight car.
The 2016 Accord looks really great and the Android Auto/Carplay interface is the first to come to the market. Yeah, the power goes to the front wheels and no, it's not a luxury vehicle, but it is a fantastic car for the price.
 

2298754

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Jun 21, 2010
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The 2016 Accord looks really great and the Android Auto/Carplay interface is the first to come to the market. Yeah, the power goes to the front wheels and no, it's not a luxury vehicle, but it is a fantastic car for the price.
Correction: first Honda to come with it to the US market.

I don't get their technology department at all. Apparently, the 2016 Accord gets it, but the 2016 Pilot (that just came out) will not have CP/AA support, even though it has the same Android-based headunit.

The Sonata just got Android Auto a few weeks ago and the update for CarPlay is supposed to be coming soon.

The first "regular" automaker to really push it across their lineup is VW. All 2016 cars will have CarPlay.
 

Suture

macrumors 65816
Feb 22, 2007
1,003
213
I want CarPlay :( I despise the RNS-315. The MDI cable is junk; it's slow, and the sound quality is actually BETTER over Bluetooth in both the Golf R and the TTS. I am not sure how the heck that is possible. The nav is barebones and scrolling through songs is a chore sometimes -- sometimes it will even lock up while doing so.
 

2298754

Cancelled
Jun 21, 2010
4,890
941
I want CarPlay :( I despise the RNS-315. The MDI cable is junk; it's slow, and the sound quality is actually BETTER over Bluetooth in both the Golf R and the TTS. I am not sure how the heck that is possible. The nav is barebones and scrolling through songs is a chore sometimes -- sometimes it will even lock up while doing so.
Time for a new Golf R for you!

But yes, RNS315 sucks. The tiny screen is ridiculous
:)
 

Suture

macrumors 65816
Feb 22, 2007
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213
I've considered it. But I don't want a payment, and I'm far too lazy to return to vehicle to stock for selling. :)
 

arggg14

macrumors 6502a
Dec 30, 2014
708
1,830
Seriously giving consideration to giving up the 5.0. Haven't broached the subject to the wife yet since she will probably have my balls on a platter for looking to maybe get into the third new vehicle since we bought her new '12 Beetle three years ago...

I've always been pretty anti-lease but it's starting to maybe make more sense for me, or at least maybe for one time to reduce expenses. I've had three cars since coming home from Japan in late 2011. I financed $32k for the Mustang at the top tier interest rate of 2% for 6 years and have a payment of about $475. It's a comfortable payment, comfortable enough I pay a little extra each month. I owe $25.5k, which is probably pretty borderline on breaking even (would not unload unless I was even or better on trade). Haven't looked into what Brembo GT Premiums with all the goodies have been going for, but trade should be around that area.

However since we just bought a house two months ago, I'm just thinking that if I downsized and did a true zero down lease on something, I could cut the payment in half. In the interim before that lease is up, my wife's car would be paid off as would the last tail end of my student loans. Next time around I could either lease something else and keep the cheap payments, or buy something again at that point and pay it down quickly. Also a factor here is a 23 mile commute I have to work each way now, though the job situation will probably change sooner than later. 19.9 mpg average with lots of rush hour traffic is amazing for a 420 hp V8, but it still eats away at your pocket. Insurance probably won't matter, my Mustang costs about the same as any other car I've had.

So I was looking to just get into something bulletproof, something that is zero hassle which brings me to - dare I say it - a new Honda. I was thinking of either a Civic EX-L, or an Accord Sport. Comparable sticker prices, and trying to limit myself to the sport trim on the Accord to really keep the payment low enough that it's actually worth giving up the 5.0. *Note* either of these would be 2016 models, which should be substantially better (refreshed Accord, redesigned Civic), so this wouldn't happen for a couple months at least.

The Accord is probably the better car overall, but in the Sport trim you give up quite a few features compared to the Civic EX-L. Too bad the sport trim is a trim and not a package that can be added to any trim, because it's easily the best looking Accord for sale which is a consolation on the features given up at least. It's also probably the more appropriate, "grown-up" choice for a 31 year old chemical engineer. Biggest downer to the Accord sport (which doesn't seem to be changing for 2016) is halogen headlights, swore I'd never ever buy another halogen headlight car.

The Civic has all the bells and whistles, and in 2016 a higher trim will likely have LED headlights to finally bring it in line with the Corolla. Better features, but maybe a bit more juvenile. Coming from muscle cars I don't at all want to get mistaken for an import tuner (either car would stay bone stock though so maybe no big deal).

Both cars are slow as ****, so who cares about that. The biggest benefit to either car is I wouldn't have to detail it and obsess about it like I already do the Mustang, the Camaro, and my wife's Beetle. I could just drive it, run it through the wash, etc. Just drive and not worry about having to be meticulous with it, which would be liberating.

What do you guys think on A) the choice to get into a lease to reduce the payment by a solid $200-$250 plus a gas savings, and B) which of those two choices? Just looking at the lease configurator on a local dealer's website with the advertised modest discounts, I could lease either of these, sign and drive with $0 out of pocket for about $285/month with 15,000 miles per year. I suspect I could negotiate the sticker price lower and get closer to $250/mo on either. I also realize at $300/month I could look at A3s and 320s, but not with 0 down and not optioned how I'd like - if I were to buy an A3, I would never go 1.8 FWD, it would have to be 2.0 Quattro etc., but by the time I did that and added options then I no longer have a substantial enough gap against the Mustang payment to actually make this worth doing.
If you're leasing something and coming from a Mustang, I don't know if I would go for the Accord or Civic. Both use CVT's, (except for the V6 accord and SI Civic). I'd go with a somewhat "zippy" Mazda 3 or 6.
 

poiihy

macrumors 68020
Aug 22, 2014
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Look at this! A mobile power bank 1/20th the size of a booster pack that can start your car!! :eek:

 
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2298754

Cancelled
Jun 21, 2010
4,890
941
If you're leasing something and coming from a Mustang, I don't know if I would go for the Accord or Civic. Both use CVT's, (except for the V6 accord and SI Civic). I'd go with a somewhat "zippy" Mazda 3 or 6.
I wouldn't call the Mazda 3 zippy at all.

The new MK7 Golf with the 1.8T is pretty zippy though!
 
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