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The *COMPLETE* list of 27" 5K Displays?
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9to5Mac has a review on the BenQ PD2730S published today. Quite a bit of focus on contrasting it with the Apple Studio Display. The reviewer seemed impressed, but near the end of the review, included this interesting blurb:
"BenQ has also opened pre-orders for its PD3226G monitor, a 32-inch 4K UHD 144Hz Refresh Rate 95% P3 Thunderbolt 4 Designer Monitor for $1099. Expect availability on Amazon after the initial launch period."
5K Displays are the topic of this thread and that isn't, but some people like larger displays and/or faster refresh rates, plus it's $100 cheaper. Just mentioning it in case it's of interest to anyone.
"BenQ has also opened pre-orders for its PD3226G monitor, a 32-inch 4K UHD 144Hz Refresh Rate 95% P3 Thunderbolt 4 Designer Monitor for $1099. Expect availability on Amazon after the initial launch period."
5K Displays are the topic of this thread and that isn't, but some people like larger displays and/or faster refresh rates, plus it's $100 cheaper. Just mentioning it in case it's of interest to anyone.
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OLEDs have a very low grey to grey pixel response time, most of the TVs and desktop size monitors already out are close to 100% 120Hz capable, since the manufacturers fear they would miss out on "gaming" buyers if they sticked to 60Hz.
I don't think there is are OLED displays on the market, outside of the extreme low budget no name ones, that doesn't go above 100hz?
I've been a bit out of the loop here - is "DIY if you can find a busted Retina iMac" or Kuycon still the go-to for budget offerings, or have new players entered the field? The HopeStar looks interesting to me, but if the Kuycon or DIY are significantly better in terms of color accuracy etc to the point that they're worth the price differential/effort I could make it work. I don't do any professional graphics work, but I am currently working on a Samsung 4k that I got off Craigslist and no matter what I do, the colors vary from "washed out" to "wildly oversaturated" in a way I find irritating even as a layman.
Truth, I’ve grown fond of my Apple 32” 6k monitor.
Clarity, screen real estate, everything.
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here in the UK
Asus PA27JCV due 21st Feb. £749
Benq PD2730S due 14th Feb. £1000
Here's one trusted seller offering both for pre-order
www.scan.co.uk
www.scan.co.uk
Asus PA27JCV due 21st Feb. £749
Benq PD2730S due 14th Feb. £1000
Here's one trusted seller offering both for pre-order
ASUS 27" ProArt PA27JCV 5K HDR Professional Monitor
Buy from Scan - 27" ASUS ProArt PA27JCV 5K HDR Monitor, 99% DCI-P3/95% AdobeRGB, 5120x2880, 60Hz, HDR10, HDMI2.1/DP1.4/USB-C
BenQ 27" PD2730S 5K Designer Monitor
Buy from Scan - 27" BenQ PD2730S Monitor, 5K, IPS, 5120x2880, 60Hz, 98% P3, 100% sRGB/Rec.709, HDR10/HDR400
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I assume the 6K monitors will be pretty expensive.
Really excited to see how much the 32" 5K monitor costs.
The main reason I haven't pulled the trigger on a 32" 4K monitor is because people say it just isn't sharp enough.
Only 1.63 physical pixels per logical pixel. Ugh.
Looks like the Acer 32" 5K monitor won't have power delivery or a USB hub. I would have to buy a Thunderbolt hub to run it and still be able to "dock" my laptop with one cable.
The Asus 32" 6K is only US$1199 MSRP, and may go for lower than that for street pricing (at least after the initial launch). However, it does not include IPS Black support, and the design isn't very pretty.
I suspect the LG will be considerably more expensive, given that it has both Thunderbolt 5 and IPS Black, and on the surface looks like a Pro Display XDR but bezel-less. However, I hope it will be much less expensive than the Dell 6K. The Dell is well over US$2000, but it's several years old. Here's hoping the LG 6K will be well under US$2000, given that the Asus 6K is only $1199.
Originally I had guessed the LG might be something like $2299-$2499, but after seeing the price of the Asus 6K, I've revised that down to $1999. So, not well under $2000, but hopefully still below $2000 nonetheless.
I agree. 32" 4K is too low a ppi for good text, unless you're sitting at well over 25" away from the screen (which is somewhat far). 27" 4K has much better text quality. (I tried an Asus ProArt 32" 4K and was quite unimpressed, but currently run a 28.2" monitor with the same pixel density as 27" 4K, and text looks very good at my 22"+ seating distance.)
A Thunderbolt 4 hub goes for only US$68 these days. Mind you, not all monitors work properly through a Thunderbolt hub. My Huawei 28.2" 4K+ monitor worked fine through my Plugable Thunderbolt 4 hub with my M1 Mac mini, but has sleep issues through the same hub with my my M4 Mac mini. The monitor works fine without sleep issues when directly connected to the M4 Mac mini though.
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Ugh. Thanks for the heads up. Guess I'll continue to use my 27" 4K Dell monitor which has USB-C PD and also downstream USB ports. Works pretty well, just wish it was bigger.
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The US$1199 Asus 32" 6K will have a built-in Thunderbolt 4 / USB hub and USB-C PD.
The LG 32" 6K will have IPS Black with 2000:1 contrast ratio. The ASD does not have IPS Black and is spec'd at 1200:1. However, like the ASD, the LG 6K will not be mini-LED.
@EugW that's an improvement, but probably not a super noticeable one. I think it's pretty silly LG is calling 2000:1 "high contrast" in today's world.
I have an 8 year old LED TV with a 7000:1 contrast ratio and it doesn't really look much punchier than the ASD. I think this is because contrast is perceived logarithmically. Not even comparable to OLED or the MiniLED MBP panels
I have an 8 year old LED TV with a 7000:1 contrast ratio and it doesn't really look much punchier than the ASD. I think this is because contrast is perceived logarithmically. Not even comparable to OLED or the MiniLED MBP panels
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FWIW, a lot of LED TV specs are bogus because they make their own measurement methodologies that cannot always be compared across brands or even models within the same brand. That's not necessarily true for yours, which I'm guessing may be a FALD VA panel, because FALD VA LEDs can definitely reach that these days, although again, the methodology to calculate that may be non-standard. Also, VA panels are not really the best technology for computer screens for other reasons, which is why all Apple desktop displays have been IPS. Anyhow, IPS black is close to 2000:1 real world with standardized measurements. As a frame of reference, IPS Black panels have a real-world contrast ratio as good as older lower end VA panels. Newer higher end VA panels have significantly higher contrast ratio, but often at the expense of other aspects of the image quality too.
I'm fine not having mini-LED, because personally I'm not a fan of mini-LED or FALD for that matter. Although it improves the picture in some ways, it also can cause other problems.
@EugW I'm sure that old LED TV is VA based on the poor horizontal viewing angles. The 7000:1 contrast ratio was measured by RTINGS. I'm wondering what other issues miniLED / FALD have that concern you, and have you used MBP 14" / 16"?
I think the dimming algorithm apple is using is the best of any miniLED monitor in regards to minimizing blooming
I think the dimming algorithm apple is using is the best of any miniLED monitor in regards to minimizing blooming
Blooming yes, I find it distracting. Mind you the "fix" for this is similar to the "fix" for IPS glow, which is just not to use it in a very dark room. And truth be told I haven't seen the most recent screens in the M4 series MacBook Pros so maybe they're better. And yes I HATE the poor viewing angles and colour shift of VA TVs. FALD / mini-LED's lag can also sometimes be an issue for some people, but that usually isn't a problem for me.
BTW, in this house I have several TVs, including an OLED, a FALD VA, and a couple of IPS TVs. I dislike the FALD VA the most. The black levels and contrast still cannot compare to OLED, it has noticeable blooming, and it has the added bonus of terrible viewing angles. Even if I just stand up from where I was sitting on the couch, the colour shifts significantly, and this was a well rated FALD VA for its time, the Sony X900F. It's rated at about 5100-5700:1 by RTINGS. I'd rather have the low contrast of my lower end IPS TV than the crappy viewing angles and blooming of the VA TV.
Is there something new to the 6K Asus? Do any of you have a contact address at Asus where I can inquire about a release date?
Sounds great when compared to the 32" Apple display, but $1200 is a tough pill to swallow if your cross-shopping against a $260 LG 32" 4K IPS panel at Costco... 5K seems like it might be a happy compromise if it works well with hubs.
Probably because it's a VA panel... very believable contrast ratio when viewed straight-on. As soon as you look at it a few degrees off-axis, the blacks turn to grays and your contrast ratio is ruined.
I recently bought a new mini-LED TV with a VA panel. Mistake. I tried to convince myself that the limited viewing angles would be okay because of all the positive reviews of the TV, but they aren't.
The image looks amazing if you're sitting on the MIDDLE COUCH CUSHION.
If you're sitting on the left or right cushion, the blacks at the far edge of the TV are gray and the colors become washed-out.
I'm never buying another VA panel for the rest of my life.
Mini-LED with IPS seems like a good option, too bad so few companies seem to sell this combination for TVs.
I tried a colour calibrated 32" 4K Asus ProArt display aimed at multi-media content creators. I hated it. The text quality was horrible at my 22" seating distance. I guess that should not come as a surprise, considering it's not even close to being Retina, at 138 ppi (which is Retina at 25"). Text quality from a 27" 4K monitor is much, much better, at 163 ppi (which is Retina at 21"). Night vs. day difference.
32" 5K should be great for text quality, at 184 ppi (Retina at 19"). I will check out the Acer. However, I'm not so optimistic because it's an Acer gaming monitor. Acer is lower end brand, and gaming monitors are not really designed for colour accuracy and what not. The good news though is the Acer is supposed to support 144 Hz, for those who want that. The other 32" 6K monitors may be 60 Hz (which is actually fine for me). However, I do wonder about that LG with Thunderbolt 5.
Yeah at 30” it should be fine since those are Retina at 25”, but 30” seating distance is further than average for a desktop monitor.