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That's not my finding. I use a 5k@27" (218 ppi) and a 4k@27" (163 ppi) side-by-side, both at the default 2:1 integer scaling.@theorist9 , but it's not the PPI at fault. Using the pixel doubled mode on my 185 ppi display, text is as sharp as my 220 ppi iMac. This is a unique problem of fractional scaling on OS X being bad on any display regardless of ppi.
Or in other words, no you do not need 220 ppi for sharp text, you need 220 ppi for sharp text + a normal sized UI.
A user with 4K@27 could do the same trick I do and get razor sharp text, at the cost of rather large UI elements.
What makes the Apple glossy displays for me is the quality of the AR coating. It gives you the sharpness of a glossy display, and at the same time does pretty good job managing reflections. [Not as good as a matte screen, but I don't need it to be.] So a key question about this one is: How good is the AR?
And it seems it's not easy to do, since even the LG Ultrafine, which uses the same panel as that on the Retina iMac, didn't have as good an AR coating (too many reflections).
And of course you want the other aspects of the display, like screen illumination uniformity and color accuracy/uniformity to be there as well. [Color uniformity was reportedly also an issue with the LG.]
So given that it seems difficult to get this right, if I wanted to save $$$ I'd be inclined to buy a used ASD rather than a new Kucyon or Aliexpress display (esp. if I could buy it locally and get it with AC+).
Yeah, that's my situation. It looks like the Kuycon can still be had from ClickClack for cheaper (they're ~$1,000 from Kuycon directly vs ~$800 from ClickClack) but the cheapest ASD I've seen locally is about $1500, and that's like, "slight cosmetic wear item on Craigslist" pricing. That's also 3x the price of my Mac Mini and since I'm not a graphic, photo, or video professional it's very hard to justify.To be clear, this is also made by Kuycon. If they have the ability to fully laminate a 27 inch lcd panel (far from trivial) they are probably able to make the AR coating decent too. I mean some of these Aliexpress items are literally from the same factory, using the same equipment.
I believe the 27 and 21.5 Ultrafines were very reflective, and the 24 a bit better.
A used ASD where I am is $1500. This is $800.
That's a good point—I can match brightness but not contrast, and the 4k is matte, which does affect sharpness.@theorist9, does your 4K have the same brightness, the same contrast, and most importantly, is it glossy? A matte coating immediately downgrades the sharpness.
I sometimes switch between 1440p and 1692p logical resolution on my 4K monitor. The latter looks noticeably blurrier to me, but not because of fractional scaling. Because they're both doing fractional scaling. Presumably it's because the same stuff is being rendered at a lower physical resolution.@motrek, I also have a 285 ppi portable monitor. Even on that extreme pixel density, when I switch from 2x scaling to fractional scaling I notice everything is slightly blurry.
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Be prepared for QC issues with the Kuycon. No one outside Kuycon or its vendors has statistics on the the actual frequency, but there does appear to be cause for concern.Yeah, that's my situation. It looks like the Kuycon can still be had from ClickClack for cheaper (they're ~$1,000 from Kuycon directly vs ~$800 from ClickClack) but the cheapest ASD I've seen locally is about $1500, and that's like, "slight cosmetic wear item on Craigslist" pricing. That's also 3x the price of my Mac Mini and since I'm not a graphic, photo, or video professional it's very hard to justify.
But I have compared text on 163 ppi matte to >163 ppi matte (">" b/c of subpixel text rendering) and found that effective increase in pixel density was sufficient to create a noticeable improvement in sharpness.@theorist9, but you haven't compared text on 163 ppi glossy nor 185 ppi glossy to 220 ppi glossy with 2x scaling, so it's unknown if your eyes would find either of those less sharp.
True, I don't know the threshold, but that's an entirely different question from what we were discussing, which was whether I can see a difference between 163 ppi and a 218 ppi (see screenshot below), and whether this is due to pixel density rather than coating.@theorist9, except for the fact that sharpness differences plateau at some point. You don't know what that threshold is for you until you try the intermediate points. Both of the cases you describe are further down the scale.
I actually returned a 285 ppi matte monitor as it was worse than any of my glossies except in the pitch dark.
Except for the fact that sharpness differences plateau at some point, as I have already pointed out.Since that difference would be less perceptible than the difference between a 163 ppi glossy and a 218 ppi glossy, it follows logically that I could percieve the latter as well.
I have 2 that were purchased around the same time (April 2023) and am still happy with them as well. Considered moving to the PD2730s for the thunderbolt daisy chaining but their shipping keeps getting delayed so am going to wait and see what the next Studio Display brings as wellI purchased a Kuycon G27X from ClickClack back in July 2023 and am pretty satisfied—it's still my daily driver. No dead pixels or backlight issues with mine. I don't doubt that it's a lottery though and am glad that I got lucky.
That said, I will be purchasing the successor to the Studio Display for the following reasons in order of priority:
Miss having those built-in from when I was on an iMac 5K.
- True Tone
- Auto-Brightness
- Speakers
- Camera