The difference between LAG & STUTTER and why it matters!

[DoctorKrabs]

I'm simply pointing out what you are saying as you say it and then at the same time backtrack from it. In any case, it's all right there and the point has been (self-)made.

Quote me saying iOS 9 is bad because it isn't perfect, because I don't remember ever saying that. You're the one who loves to tell me how things aren't black and white, but then you take any of my demands for improved quality as demands for perfection.

 

[C DM]

Quote me saying iOS 9 is bad because it isn't perfect, because I don't remember ever saying that. You're the one who loves to tell me how things aren't black and white, but then you take any of my demands for improved quality as demands for perfection.

Because the way what you've been talking about it all has been framing them as demands for perfection rather than just improved quality. When it comes to simply improved quality then you and I are in agreement there.

 

[danleon950410]

A piece of unoptimized software isn't enough for us to turn our backs to eachother. Don't forget: We're all after the same goal, and we all want the same thing.

 

[dk001]

Sorry, but with Apple, "good enough" is not good enough. If you think it's fine that these performance issues are still in iOS because most people won't see them, you don't understand Apple well.

"Be a yardstick of quality. Some people aren't used to an environment where excellence is expected."

-Steve Jobs​

Too bad it still isn't SJ's Apple. Now we have the TC era and it isn't looking as polished/bright.

But why should I even need to compromise the visuals when iOS 9 gave me near ZERO added functionality over 8.4.1 and 8.4.1 had smooth animations with both options off.
Again,I find RT absolutely terrible and horrible to look at.Even on my old iPad Mini which is slow as **** I still don't turn on those options even when the tablet flies with it on

Want your device to run faster and smoother? Hamstring it.

You don't use any Apple apps? Wouldn't you be better served with a Nexus 6P? No joke, not trying to deflect. Android is at a point where I honestly think you'd be happier with the 6P.

One of the iOS challenges is usually using the iOS core / stock apps. Apple used to minimize the functions to provide a better more polished experience. You had the option of using alternative apps but could not make them default. Now a-days, the stock iOS apps for the most part are either decent due to in part to their uniqueness or crap.

With iOS core apps, I feel like they used to come from REI and now they come from Walmart.

For me, when work rolls out the new Android tie in I will in all likely-hood be retiring from the iPhone world.

 

[Radon87000]

You don't use any Apple apps? Wouldn't you be better served with a Nexus 6P? No joke, not trying to deflect. Android is at a point where I honestly think you'd be happier with the 6P.

Apple's only good with hardware.Their services have been lacking for a very long time.Both Microsoft and Google provide cross platform services beyond Android and Windows which is what makes them compelling and both are essentially software companies.I often find third party apps better ONLY because they get updated with features more frequently and provide sync between all of my Android,Windows,Mac and Chromebooks.On the other hand,I find Apple's mass produced hardware quality to be among the top tiers in the industry

Yeah I agree the Nexus 6P is compelling.Played with it a while in the store and honestly it had faster and better animations than my iPhone 6 on iOS 9.No bashing.Just my 2 cents.But I am stuck with the 6 till my contract is up

 

[Radon87000]

Too bad it still isn't SJ's Apple. Now we have the TC era and it isn't looking as polished/bright.




Want your device to run faster and smoother? Hamstring it.

Tim Cook is first and foremost a businessman.Steve Jobs actually was a visionary who strived for a very high bar of perfection even in the most minor areas.For I know Steve Jobs would never release a 10GB iPhone with 4K recording.I mean those terms contradict each other but Tim Cook's greedy for greater margins over customer satisfaction

 

[I7guy]

Tim Cook is first and foremost a businessman.Steve Jobs actually was a visionary who strived for a very high bar of perfection even in the most minor areas.For I know Steve Jobs would never release a 10GB iPhone with 4K recording.I mean those terms contradict each other but Tim Cook's greedy for greater margins over customer satisfaction

Not much hyperbole in this post is there?

 

[scjr]

Tim Cook is first and foremost a businessman.Steve Jobs actually was a visionary who strived for a very high bar of perfection even in the most minor areas.For I know Steve Jobs would never release a 10GB iPhone with 4K recording.I mean those terms contradict each other but Tim Cook's greedy for greater margins over customer satisfaction

A bit dramatic. You should have added this to your post.

 

[Michael Goff]

Apple's only good with hardware.Their services have been lacking for a very long time.Both Microsoft and Google provide cross platform services beyond Android and Windows which is what makes them compelling and both are essentially software companies.I often find third party apps better ONLY because they get updated with features more frequently and provide sync between all of my Android,Windows,Mac and Chromebooks.On the other hand,I find Apple's mass produced hardware quality to be among the top tiers in the industry

Yeah I agree the Nexus 6P is compelling.Played with it a while in the store and honestly it had faster and better animations than my iPhone 6 on iOS 9.No bashing.Just my 2 cents.But I am stuck with the 6 till my contract is up

Yeah, contracts suck.

Hope your next phone works for you better than this one has. Technology is supposed to make our lives better, not annoy us.

 

[CupertinoSlave]

Apple's only good with hardware.Their services have been lacking for a very long time.Both Microsoft and Google provide cross platform services beyond Android and Windows which is what makes them compelling and both are essentially software companies.I often find third party apps better ONLY because they get updated with features more frequently and provide sync between all of my Android,Windows,Mac and Chromebooks.On the other hand,I find Apple's mass produced hardware quality to be among the top tiers in the industry

Yeah I agree the Nexus 6P is compelling.Played with it a while in the store and honestly it had faster and better animations than my iPhone 6 on iOS 9.No bashing.Just my 2 cents.But I am stuck with the 6 till my contract is up

Id say any modern android phone has better animations than iOS 9 right now.

 

[Cakefish]

Id say any modern android phone has better animations than iOS 9 right now.

I'd say my Galaxy S6 edge equals the iPad Air 2 in UI animation fluidity. However, my Z5 Compact blows both out of the water. The Nexus 5 with Marshmallow comes a very close second place.

If you're wondering why I have so many devices;

Nexus 5 - my previous phone, now enjoying retirement as a spare WiFi-only phone as the SIM tray is stuck, making it unsellable.
Z5 Compact - my replacement for the Nexus 5, currently on temporary hiatus in favour of Galaxy S6 edge.
Galaxy S6 edge - the phone Samsung gave me for work and personal use.
iPad Air 2 - my first ever tablet I bought a couple of months back.

 

[CupertinoSlave]

I'd say my Galaxy S6 edge equals the iPad Air 2 in UI animation fluidity. However, my Z5 Compact blows both out of the water. The Nexus 5 with Marshmallow comes a very close second place.

If you're wondering why I have so many devices;

Nexus 5 - my previous phone, now enjoying retirement as a spare WiFi-only phone as the SIM tray is stuck, making it unsellable.
Z5 Compact - my replacement for the Nexus 5, currently on temporary hiatus in favour of Galaxy S6 edge.
Galaxy S6 edge - the phone Samsung gave me for work and personal use.
iPad Air 2 - my first ever tablet I bought a couple of months back.

I also have a Nexus 5 but on 5.1.1 and never had frame drops during the any animations. It is on par with my iPhone 5S on 8.2. Compared to my iPhone 6S on iOS 9.1, makes the 6S look like garbage (animation wise, not speed)

 

[I7guy]

I also have a Nexus 5 but on 5.1.1 and never had frame drops during the any animations. It is on par with my iPhone 5S on 8.2. Compared to my iPhone 6S on iOS 9.1, makes the 6S look like garbage (animation wise, not speed)

Your 6s has an issue. No lag or stutter or anything else but smoothness (except control panel) on my 6s, even with animations and transparency off..

 

[CupertinoSlave]

Your 6s has an issue. No lag or stutter or anything else but smoothness (except control panel) on my 6s, even with animations and transparency off..

Could you tell me the issue then? How can I get a perfect phone like yours?

 

[I7guy]

Could you tell me the issue then? How can I get a perfect phone like yours?

You should reinstall it without loading a backup from itunes. I didn't have to do that and my phone, the 6s, is not "garbage" as you put it as is yours. So I'm not sure what you have on it to make it perform like that.

 

[CupertinoSlave]

You should reinstall it without loading a backup from itunes. I didn't have to do that and my phone, the 6s, is not "garbage" as you put it as is yours. So I'm not sure what you have on it to make it perform like that.

Why is it that my iPod 6th gen started to have the same frame drops when I updated it from 8.4.1 to iOS 9.1? Surely it cant be iOS 9. Can it? (No backups, restored and updated)

 

[I7guy]

Why is it that my iPod 6th gen started to have the same frame drops when I updated it from 8.4.1 to iOS 9.1? Surely it cant be iOS 9. Can it? (No backups, restored and updated)

I can't speak for an ipod on IOS 9, only for an ipad 2, iphone 5s, iphone 6 and 6s. It does seem with IOS 9, like IOS 8 and IOS 7 and IOS 6 people have varied experiences with these builds.

 

[stooovie]

I can't speak for an ipod on IOS 9, only for an ipad 2, iphone 5s, iphone 6 and 6s. It does seem with IOS 9, like IOS 8 and IOS 7 and IOS 6 people have varied experiences with these builds.

And iOS 5, 4, 3 and iphoneOS 2 and 1. I remember having tweetdeck display "iOS 3.0 faster" and iOS 3.0 slower" with very similar split and wordings as we have today. It's still the same story. Perception is everything.

 

[dark_knight177]

Id say any modern android phone has better animations than iOS 9 right now.

Couldn't agree more. iOS fluidity as we knew it, is now gone. Unfortunately that's the new reality.

Android is more fluid and smoother than iOS.

 

[dark_knight177]

You should reinstall it without loading a backup from itunes. I didn't have to do that and my phone, the 6s, is not "garbage" as you put it as is yours. So I'm not sure what you have on it to make it perform like that.

I am holding Nexus 6P and my wife's iPhone 6S plus side by side. Needless to say animations on 6S are trash compare to Nexus. Her iPhone was set up as new and didn't have any previous backups.

 

[I7guy]

I am holding Nexus 6P and my wife's iPhone 6S plus side by side. Needless to say animations on 6S are trash compare to Nexus. Her iPhone was set up as new and didn't have any previous backups.

That's your opinion, which of course you are entitled to and of course that is what the various posts are all about. Are they? Arent they? It does. It doesn't. etc. Saying some of these things in an on-line forum does not make any of this "fact".

 

[Radon87000]

That's your opinion, which of course you are entitled to and of course that is what the various posts are all about. Are they? Arent they? It does. It doesn't. etc. Saying some of these things in an on-line forum does not make any of this "fact".

You should use Nexus 6P if you ever get the chance.You would realise how stuttery iOS is of late

 

[I7guy]

You should use Nexus 6P if you ever get the chance.You would realise how stuttery iOS is of late

Trying to be reasonable with a straightforward response; it really doesn't matter to me as I have no intention of purchasing a Nexus and maybe when I'm in the phone store I will take a look at it. My focus is, and maybe there are a bunch of us, is what can I do on my iphone and how can I get it done? It would be nice if the phone was perfect, but nothing is perfect at least for me. Using the phone for business, means due to configuration, can't really switch back and forth on devices without reconfiguration.

 

[C DM]

You should use Nexus 6P if you ever get the chance.You would realise how stuttery iOS is of late

People have been saying that in comparison to iOS 8.4.1 and yet various people aren't seeing much of a difference between that and iOS 9 (short of perhaps a few stutters in a few fairly inconsequential places). So clearly we are back to it being mostly a subjective thing.

 

[Radon87000]

People have been saying that in comparison to iOS 8.4.1 and yet various people aren't seeing much of a difference between that and iOS 9 (short of perhaps a few stutters in a few fairly inconsequential places). So clearly we are back to it being mostly a subjective thing.

The difference between 8.4.1 and 9 is too obvious to be subjective.Even the most tolerant of the stutters admit iOS 9 is slower than 8 in animations