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jwolf6589

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Everywhere I go I see people taking photos with phones. Sometimes I see people using SLR’s but most of the time it’s phones. What does this spell out for the future of regular cameras? Will the P&S cameras go away in 5-10 years? Will you not be able to buy a pro camera at Best Buy but only online? Let’s speculate.

I mean I love my SX740HS Canon. It has a big manual and loads of features and certainly far more than my iPhone 12 or iPad Mini 5.
 

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Will the P&S cameras go away in 5-10 years?
Sorry to break it to you man, but this transition started as early as the iPhone 4S. P&S cameras just don’t make a lot of sense to most people anymore. In fact, all small format digital cameras have been in a sharp decline over the past decade. It seems reasonable to predict that in the next few years there will only be phone cameras for most people, and prosumer/professionals will have to special order crop sensor and full frame cameras like they already have to do with medium and large format.
 
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jwolf6589

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Sorry to break it to you man, but this transition started as early as the iPhone 4S. P&S cameras just don’t make a lot of sense to most people anymore. In fact, all small format digital cameras have been in a sharp decline over the past decade. It seems reasonable to predict that in the next few years there will only be phone cameras for most people, and prosumer/professionals will have to special order crop sensor and full frame cameras like they already have to do with medium and large format.
I believe you but Best Buy and other stores like Amazon still sell a wide selection of P&S cameras. Perhaps in the future this will not be the case. It was wise to buy the warranty with my latest camera.
 

jwolf6589

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Sorry to break it to you man, but this transition started as early as the iPhone 4S. P&S cameras just don’t make a lot of sense to most people anymore. In fact, all small format digital cameras have been in a sharp decline over the past decade. It seems reasonable to predict that in the next few years there will only be phone cameras for most people, and prosumer/professionals will have to special order crop sensor and full frame cameras like they already have to do with medium and large format.
Yes I remember my first iPhone. I remember my first smart phone (a BB Curve) which was a piece of crap for shooing photos. The iPhone 4S was a world of difference.
 

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I think the P&S is on life support at this point. There are some really great ones out there, like the little Sony ones, but for the most part a phone can do about anything a P&S would just as well if not better. Phone cameras really are phenomenal these days.

I don't see interchangeable lens cameras going anywhere, although DSLRs will probably be fading off into the sunset into the sunset in the next few years except maybe for some niche uses. MILCs are getting a lot better, but I don't know know if they're quite ready to replace action cameras like the D6 yet. It's a matter of time, I'm sure, but I know Nikon(I don't really keep up with Canon) has released some phenomenal albeit specialized and super expensive lenses in the past year like the 120-300mm f/2.8.

I've yet to see a P&S that can match a DSLR or good MILC in focus speed and shutter lag. Newer ones are better than ever, but the motivation to improve them just isn't there. MILCs use to have issues with focus speed, but from what I've seen that's gotten a whole, whole lot better. Contrast detect is focus should inherently be more accurate than phase detect, but of course is slower. If I'm not mistaken(and forgive me if I am) most of the higher end MILCs use phase detect to get close and then do the final tweaks with contrast detect. I'm not sure if there's ever been a P&S that used phase detect-most of the old film ones used active focusing, which is fast but has a lot of lot of limitations.
 

jwolf6589

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I think the P&S is on life support at this point. There are some really great ones out there, like the little Sony ones, but for the most part a phone can do about anything a P&S would just as well if not better. Phone cameras really are phenomenal these days.

I don't see interchangeable lens cameras going anywhere, although DSLRs will probably be fading off into the sunset into the sunset in the next few years except maybe for some niche uses. MILCs are getting a lot better, but I don't know know if they're quite ready to replace action cameras like the D6 yet. It's a matter of time, I'm sure, but I know Nikon(I don't really keep up with Canon) has released some phenomenal albeit specialized and super expensive lenses in the past year like the 120-300mm f/2.8.

I've yet to see a P&S that can match a DSLR or good MILC in focus speed and shutter lag. Newer ones are better than ever, but the motivation to improve them just isn't there. MILCs use to have issues with focus speed, but from what I've seen that's gotten a whole, whole lot better. Contrast detect is focus should inherently be more accurate than phase detect, but of course is slower. If I'm not mistaken(and forgive me if I am) most of the higher end MILCs use phase detect to get close and then do the final tweaks with contrast detect. I'm not sure if there's ever been a P&S that used phase detect-most of the old film ones used active focusing, which is fast but has a lot of lot of limitations.
Play with my Canon. It has allot more features than my iPhone 12.
 

jwolf6589

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What features are those?
One example is the ability to change resolutions of video and photos. Another examples that it has a sports mode. There are dozens of other features as it has a big manual so don't expect me too name every single one of them for you.
 

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One example is the ability to change resolutions of video and photos. Another examples that it has a sports mode. There are dozens of other features as it has a big manual so don't expect me too name every single one of them for you.
1. What advantage does using lower than native resolution offer you?

2. What, in Canon jargon, does sports mode do exactly?
 

jwolf6589

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1. What advantage does using lower than native resolution offer you?

2. What, in Canon jargon, does sports mode do exactly?
It means smaller files and not taking up as much space. I shoot at 10M on my Canon not 20.3MP. Also uploading large files can be a pain in the butt. Its easier with smaller files. If I were to shoot a photo o my family I may choose the 20.3MP option. But for all else 10MP is just fine.

Like I said there are many many many more features as I have a big manual. Not going to name every one of them for you.
 

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It means smaller files and not taking up as much space. I shoot at 10M on my Canon not 20.3MP. Also uploading large files can be a pain in the butt. Its easier with smaller files. If I were to shoot a photo o my family I may choose the 20.3MP option. But for all else 10MP is just fine.

Like I said there are many many many more features as I have a big manual. Not going to name every one of them for you.
You haven't actually made a point here other than your camera has a big manual :) .
 

bunnspecial

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It means smaller files and not taking up as much space. I shoot at 10M on my Canon not 20.3MP. Also uploading large files can be a pain in the butt. Its easier with smaller files. If I were to shoot a photo o my family I may choose the 20.3MP option. But for all else 10MP is just fine.

Like I said there are many many many more features as I have a big manual. Not going to name every one of them for you.
You brought up one specific feature as an advantage. If you're going to name it as an advantage, it's helpful to actually have some idea of what it does...
 
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It means smaller files and not taking up as much space. I shoot at 10M on my Canon not 20.3MP. Also uploading large files can be a pain in the butt. Its easier with smaller files. If I were to shoot a photo o my family I may choose the 20.3MP option. But for all else 10MP is just fine.

Like I said there are many many many more features as I have a big manual. Not going to name every one of them for you.
This is nuts mate, Run your sensor at native resolution. Change your monitor at less than native resolution and see the degradation to understand why.

20mp files are NOT big files 2.6GB TIFF files are big files.
 

bunnspecial

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This is nuts mate, Run your sensor at native resolution. Change your monitor at less than native resolution and see the degradation to understand why.

20mp files are NOT big files 2.6GB TIFF files are big files.

I can't throw away information I paid good money for my camera to be able to capture.

That's why I shoot uncompressed RAW...and a 20mp JPEG is small compared to a 36mp+ RAW file(my D800/D810 ones are around 80mb each, which is still a lot smaller than a 2.6gb TIFF, but a lot bigger than a 20mp JPEG).
 
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1. What advantage does using lower than native resolution offer you?

2. What, in Canon jargon, does sports mode do exactly?
Since he's got a P&S camera I would guess that "Sports Mode" is a preset function that the user can quickly click on and the camera will automatically set itself to what might be the appropriate settings to shoot something which is happening quickly, such as in a sports activity. Photographers who know what they're doing don't need that silly preset "mode" business, of course -- they simply adjust the camera's setting themselves in order to achieve the goal they want.
 
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