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MBAir2010

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when the Nikon was swung around my shoulders at a public park, shooting birds
many humans looked at me as i was toting a firearm, this was in new jersey tho-
i feel embarrassed going to a local beach now with the camera and
get a few uncomfortable looks when the is slung around my back not focused on anyone.
the camera is for birds, water and other non-human objects.
still people are threatened by camera because they forgot they exist.
kinda like bicycles or drawing pads, which is anther story!
 

tizeye

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Don’t have the time now but it may be considered in the future.
Step #1 is to look critically at what you take...and that doesn't take time, just insight. Sure, knowing how to alter with different shutter speeds or aperture is nice, but begin by looking at composition. There is a minor discussion today in the POTD thread of unrequested feedback...leveling the horizon as everyone knows the ocean doesn't slant (I have had similar feedback - we all have - (and I might add unnatural slanting wall, windows, cabinets, doors, etc in buildings that are naturally vertical). As such, it now becomes natural checking horizonal level and vertical camera position roll when composing even with a phone. There is always time to hone the skills, you just have to think about it. Begin with composition, rule of thirds?, how objects lead to tell the story, etc.

Probably my pet peeve that screams clueless (doesn't even qualify for amateur) are these videos you see taken in portrait mode and on wide screen displays have these sidebars with ghostly unsynchronized images. Would they turn their TV on it's side for playback? NO! Take a video to correspond with 99.9% of playback devices...turn your phone to landscape mode when recording a video!
 
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bsamcash

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My Camera has lots of dial presets. Like I said and have said many times I am no pro photographer! I am a hobbyist. Having so many dial presets, snow mode, beach mode, fireworks mode, and so on is definitely an advantage over a phone camera. Many more advantages exist with my camera over a phone.
These shooting modes are not the advantages your Canon has over a smart phone. The true advantages would be sensor size, manual controls, RAW capture, and handling. Challenge yourself to learn about manual and RAW.
 
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tizeye

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when the Nikon was swung around my shoulders at a public park, shooting birds
many humans looked at me as i was toting a firearm, this was in new jersey tho-
i feel embarrassed going to a local beach now with the camera and
get a few uncomfortable looks when the is slung around my back not focused on anyone.
the camera is for birds, water and other non-human objects.
still people are threatened by camera because they forgot they exist.
kinda like bicycles or drawing pads, which is anther story!
I've always thought they were thinking I was a pro. :D

What is really fun is taking your camera to a naturalist beach...wearing sun glasses of course.

Another time, before cell phones had cameras and I didn't have my camera with me I was learning to fly a plane with normal practice in the 1000-3000' altitude. This was England, so more like 1500' to stay below clouds I wasn't qualified to fly in, and a clear day was usually to windy. A common exercise is dropping a wing and circling around a fixed point...or better yet, a moving object like a train. One time I didn't pay attention to the setup other than "a house" then during the circling realized there were a couple of ladies in the back garden getting a tan all over. OOPS. They didn't seem o mind as it was a cordial wave...but unforgettable. Unfortunately, I was flying solo so didn't even have an instructor in the right hand seat to verify the experience. Now if I had only had a camera, where today I would have an iPhone camera!
 
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Clix Pix

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OP, since you apparently are not really interested in learning photography, not even to the extent of looking in the manual that came with your P&S when you couldn't figure out what "TV" meant (not to mention running a quick Google search, which would have provided the answer, too), why have you been wasting your supposedly valuable time, not to mention ours, with these various threads you have started here? People provide answers but they never seem to quite satisfy you. Why is that? If you were genuinely interested in photography, you would take some initiative and do a little research on your own. Read the manual. Use Google to answer some of your very basic questions. Play with the mysterious buttons and dials on your P&S, take a look at the various "scene modes" or whatever they're called. Then after that, save yourself a bunch of time and simply set the thing on auto so you can just click away.....
 

iluvmacs99

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Apr 9, 2019
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Everywhere I go I see people taking photos with phones. Sometimes I see people using SLR’s but most of the time it’s phones. What does this spell out for the future of regular cameras? Will the P&S cameras go away in 5-10 years? Will you not be able to buy a pro camera at Best Buy but only online? Let’s speculate.

I mean I love my SX740HS Canon. It has a big manual and loads of features and certainly far more than my iPhone 12 or iPad Mini 5.

I don't speculate, because there's really nothing to speculate about how one should take photographs. Let's take another technology that had gone through a similar transformation. It's called a telephone. When Alexander Graham Bell and Antonio Meucci brought out the concept of a telephone, did both them conceived the fact that today, the telephone is really a smartphone? Nope they didn't and neither did hundreds of years when people use the telephone that they did not foresee the day that you don't even need a landline or even a cell phone provider to talk to other people on the phone. When just using an app like Whatsapp, Fongo, SoftPhone, Skype etc would allow you to connect to billions of people around the world. In fact, 20 years ago, I got laughed at by many people when I said people will dump their land lines and use a cellphone. But of course today, there's nothing to laugh about having no land line, because the majority of people today had shifted to having a cell line as their only line. What a significant progress telephone went through to come to this day. What we had just witnessed is the digitization of telephony and also allowing the successful transition from office work to working from home. And yet the same with photography, there are some people who still insist in owning a land line, the traditionislts. This number, however, is small.

Well, it's no different now with photography. Photography has also gone through a similar transformation from physical product of photography into the digitization of photography.

What is photography? In its basic form, photography allows the sharing of one's factual and/or creative vision to the masses through film, print and today via social media like TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, Flickr etc.. Before the digitization of photography, photography is a difficult art to master because the equipment weren't as automated as they are today. You need skills and knowledge. To some, this becomes a trade and with a trade comes the mastery of that trade. This is what we see today with people who use a SLR or a DSLR; it is the continuation of the mastery of the photography trade, the innate skills necessary to create unique visions. However, the ideology in photography that is generally accepted today is about mastering the trade and you can see this with people who sell professional equipment, run Youtube shows about professional equipment and educating the public in how to getter better photos. In essence, photography to them is an art form, a trade that they strive to achieve higher mastery. And in order to achieve that higher mastery, they would need to have more manual control on their equipment; more granular adjustments with their software. So that's the group we see today that use professional equipment which also includes an iPhone.

And then, we have another bigger group of people. These people are only interested in recording and sharing the photos and videos. And because of the digitization of photography with iPhones and Android phones, many of the skills photographers used to need to learn like lighting, exposure, focus, depth of field are now fully automated through apps and the neural engine of the Apple's Bionic chip. The computer does all of the heavy lifting and the user only needs to snap a photo. These people have only a desire to share, to make a name for themselves but they do not consider themselves needing to go beyond automation as they are content with automation. This is the majority of the group you see today. And just like a telephone, you will see a small number of photographers who plow and perfect their photographic trade, being professional and pro-photographers. They're like the land line for telephones.

Why then do we still see people use a DSLR? It's the ideology behind using the DSLR that keeps people buying a DSLR or a serious camera. When that ideology in using a DSLR is replaced completely with just an automated computer app or artificial intelligence where anyone can use it to create professional photographs in place of a human being is when it becomes pointless to compete with a machine.

That's what happened with the digitization of telephony. Currently, there is this ideology that stipulates one can only get better photos with a DSLR. But who created this ideology and why do you think this ideology will and can stand the test of time? It's obvious that fewer and fewer people are accepting this type of ideology that you should need a DSLR or a mirrorless camera to take better and more professional photos as shown with the shrinking sales of professional cameras and the shrinking sales of conventional telephone.
 
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MBAir2010

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I've always thought they were thinking I was a pro. :D

What is really fun is taking your camera to a naturalist beach...wearing sun glasses of course.
i loved that pilot scene, now the drones are taboo

there are many photographs on european bikinis and biker bar pics on Flickr I know I can take better.
especially here in southern florida, but i don't want to imposed on anyone.
 

Steven-iphone

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When I got back into photography started with my Google Pixel phone (for the camera software processing). Wanted more. Purchased a Moment case, then add on lenses, a filter mount, phone grip attachment. It took me 5 min in the car to 'assemble' the camera. Back to a dedicated camera (with aperture and shutter dial controls) I went. And loved the simplicity of it. My story.
 
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macsound1

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I have a millennial friend (we're the ones ruining everything right?) who recently bought a point and shoot camera.
She's absolutely not a photographer and could care less about good vs bad photos.
She did love going to concerts though and iPhone cameras were too wide for her to have truly usable photos and video after the fact.
She also had about 0 self control on scrolling through instagram all day so by the time the headlining act came on at 9:15pm, her phone was on power save so she could get a lyft home, but absolutely not enough battery to take pictures and videos of her favorite band.
So the Canon powershot with 8x zoom was a big winner and at about $200, about the same price as 1 concert ticket and a double vodka cran, it was a great deal.
 

jwolf6589

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OP, since you apparently are not really interested in learning photography, not even to the extent of looking in the manual that came with your P&S when you couldn't figure out what "TV" meant (not to mention running a quick Google search, which would have provided the answer, too), why have you been wasting your supposedly valuable time, not to mention ours, with these various threads you have started here? People provide answers but they never seem to quite satisfy you. Why is that? If you were genuinely interested in photography, you would take some initiative and do a little research on your own. Read the manual. Use Google to answer some of your very basic questions. Play with the mysterious buttons and dials on your P&S, take a look at the various "scene modes" or whatever they're called. Then after that, save yourself a bunch of time and simply set the thing on auto so you can just click away.....
You assume too much. I have looked at my manual and have read some of it.
 

jwolf6589

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These shooting modes are not the advantages your Canon has over a smart phone. The true advantages would be sensor size, manual controls, RAW capture, and handling. Challenge yourself to learn about manual and RAW.
My camera can shoot in raw?
 

Steven-iphone

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My cell phone can do Jpg and DNG (raw) output. However the cell phone Jpg image processing is so good, I rarely use the DNG output. This image was taken with an add on lens. The issue I did not like with the cell phone image (it does work in this image) is the fixed f-stop - depth of field control.
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