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Micky Do

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The best camera is the one you have with you, the the one on their smartphone for many folks. Many folks do snap some great shots, some great photographers among then.

The best photos will continue to be taken by cameras set up with a suitable lens and adjusted to suit the situation. For dedicated photographers, pro and enthusiast, there will always be a place for a ”proper” camera.
 

jwolf6589

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Many years ago, I remember when Mark McGwire was chasing the home run record. Near the end of the season, seemingly with every pitch, the entire stadium lit up with flashbulbs. It was quite a spectacle. The funny part was this was still in the pre-digital age of photography, and I suspect most of those were your one-time-use film cameras. The number of non-keepers had to have been through the roof, since the guy only hit 70 home runs that year, and he took way more pitches than that!
Only hit 70???? Only hit 70??? How many homers have you hit in a MLB stadium?
 

Darmok N Jalad

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Only hit 70???? Only hit 70??? How many homers have you hit in a MLB stadium?
Do the math. A batter sees substantially more pitches than they swing at, they put a fraction of those in play, and then a fraction of those end up over the back wall. If thousands of people photograph every pitch said player takes, they are wasting a significant amount of shots on pitches that were NOT home runs. The purpose of my comment was to talk about the number of wasted photographs, shooting a moment that wasn't going to look like much anyway. No one was taking pictures early on in the season, but from probably around HR 50 and on, since 52 broke Maris' record, and then it was just every one after that until the end of the season. So now think of the number of pictures taken to capture those 20 or so home runs, with the batter facing maybe 5-10 pitches per at bat, 4 to 5 at bats per game. Maybe 3-5% of those ended up being photos of actual home runs!

The comment was never about McGwire's actual accomplishment, but photographing it from the stands. It's all about context.
 
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One2Grift

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The best camera is the one you have with you, the the one on their smartphone for many folks. Many folks do snap some great shots, some great photographers among then.

The best photos will continue to be taken by cameras set up with a suitable lens and adjusted to suit the situation. For dedicated photographers, pro and enthusiast, there will always be a place for a ”proper” camera.

The burgeoning quality of smartphone cameras really drives that truth. The best pic is that once in 10,000 moments: lightning strikes a tree, the flowers are just right, the sky and clouds are coalesced amazingly, the sand to shallows to ocean water to the horizon is a 1000 colors, or the girlfriend gets hit by a wave and loses her bikini top at that same beach. Moment!
 
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bunnspecial

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May 3, 2014
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My first ever baseball game I was expecting every shot to go out of the park. There was one home run in the entire game!

I didn't grow up watching baseball and didn't really pay attention to it until I started dating my wife and now especially moving to a city where it's a big deal. My home state doesn't have a major league team, and it likely wouldn't catch any attention if it did because college basketball is the big thing.

I now live in-or rather outside-a city where baseball is a big deal. One of my wife's Christmas gifts from me this year was cable TV(which she'd ditched a few years ago) so that she could watch the local team.

We went to watch a local minor league team a few weeks ago and had a blast, but yeah not hitting the ball at all was more common than not, and most of the "out of the park" balls were foul balls(we had a few close calls since we were about halfway between home and first base and only a couple of rows back).

I'm tempted to share some photos from this past weekend, but also don't want to post photos of my in-laws on here. I managed to get some decent ones in 400 photos, although even with a relatively high frame rate(there again, 11fps on a D3/D3s) I've realized that timing is still critical and machine gunning doesn't necessarily get the shot. It increases your chances, but you can still easily miss something like the person actually in contact with the ball(one photo might show it coming towards them and the next away from them).

With all of that said, this stuff isn't exactly difficult to learn and understand how to make it work without twisting the dial to "sports mode." The biggest thing on modern cameras is the AF system. As they've become more powerful(faster, more sensitive, smarter), they've also come with a dizzying array of options. The D3s, which is now better than a decade old, has 51 points. That allows it to track action decently well, although it would be nice to have them spread out more in the frame(Nikon still seems to design AF systems for DX frames even though though most of their pro cameras are FX). The biggest obstacle, though, is that in a fast moving situation where you're tracking with the camera, it's easy for the system to get "distracted" and focus on something other than what you're tracking. This is where focus lock can be useful, and especially when it's on the lens by your fingers on your left hand. Still, though, you don't exactly have anything to lose in a situation like where I was where you can play with settings and it's no big deal if you don't get exactly what you're looking for.
 

bunnspecial

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May 3, 2014
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My main car is a manual, but I shoot aperture priority.

19 pages later, I think we can conclude what some of us have always known.

For many people, driving a manual is a chore that they might do if they have to. Most of us who drive one today(confession for me-only in my fun car, my daily is an auto but that's mostly because it's next to impossible to find a mid to full size manual now) do so because we enjoy it.

Some people consider learning how to operate a camera a chore. Others enjoy it, or at least do so because it's a means to getting the results we want.

I do think we have to recognize technology playing a role. These days automatics have ridiculous numbers of gears, shift almost instantaneously, and often give better gas mileage and performance than a manual. That's why most supercars are automatic now, or at least are automatically shifted manual(dual clutch) transmissions. Still, though, a manual gives me what I want when I want it, and I enjoy the process of making it do that. Even 30 years ago, your typical automatic was slow shifting power-zapper, where a properly driven manual gave you both a performance and economy advantage. The 3-speed BW35 transmission that was in my 74 Austin Marina was almost a joke for how miserable it was in an 80 horsepower, 3000lb car, and if you wanted it to downshift you'd better ask it well ahead of time.

Cameras are smart now, and many times they can guess what people would "like" a photo to look like. They are far from infallible, though, and having the ability to over-ride them or take the information they offer you and make your own decisions from it is invaluable. My focusing example above, IMO, is a good example of this. Even though I was telling it what I wanted to focus on, it easily got confused. Still, though, they're better than an 80s camera that might not give you any controls over it and just make a best(often poor) guess of what you might want. Back then, learning how to use a better camera(typically, but not always, an SLR in 35mm, and an SLR in medium format) was virtually a requirement for anyone who wanted to take their photography to the next level. At that time, some cameras were starting to get really smart about metering-like the 5 zone matrix on the Nikon FA-but you still needed to know what was going on and when you needed to over-ride it.
 
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Sep 12, 2015
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Many years ago, I remember when Mark McGuire was chasing the home run record. Near the end of the season, seemingly with every pitch, the entire stadium lit up with flashbulbs. It was quite a spectacle. The funny part was this was still in the pre-digital age of photography, and I suspect most of those were your one-time-use film cameras. The number of non-keepers had to have been through the roof, since the guy only hit 70 home runs that year, and he took way more pitches than that!
Did a match once (1999, Rugby), opening pan across the crowd first main match had load of flashes going off. Down the TV circuit near its end, a manager was shouting we had terrible artefacts on the picture. Probably the same type of camera's. Had to quieten down the manager and explain it was normal.

Edit. Didn't mean to post this, I had prepared something and it and decided not to post and it slipped by. Didn't think it was in keeping. Not sure how to delete. Oh well.

Edit.2. I was going to post that I keep a very good Panasonic about me when out and about taking pics as I would likely have the long lens on the DSLR, swapping back to the smaller can be an issue in a rush. It is very handy and very good picture but old now and it dawned on me that to upgrade to a comparative model would be nigh on the cost of a new iPhone.

Trawling through Flickr there are some good examples however the compact still beats my iPhone SE for quality. Which means I may have to wait till 13 camera reviews......
 
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jwolf6589

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19 pages later, I think we can conclude what some of us have always known.

For many people, driving a manual is a chore that they might do if they have to. Most of us who drive one today(confession for me-only in my fun car, my daily is an auto but that's mostly because it's next to impossible to find a mid to full size manual now) do so because we enjoy it.

Some people consider learning how to operate a camera a chore. Others enjoy it, or at least do so because it's a means to getting the results we want.

I do think we have to recognize technology playing a role. These days automatics have ridiculous numbers of gears, shift almost instantaneously, and often give better gas mileage and performance than a manual. That's why most supercars are automatic now, or at least are automatically shifted manual(dual clutch) transmissions. Still, though, a manual gives me what I want when I want it, and I enjoy the process of making it do that. Even 30 years ago, your typical automatic was slow shifting power-zapper, where a properly driven manual gave you both a performance and economy advantage. The 3-speed BW35 transmission that was in my 74 Austin Marina was almost a joke for how miserable it was in an 80 horsepower, 3000lb car, and if you wanted it to downshift you'd better ask it well ahead of time.

Cameras are smart now, and many times they can guess what people would "like" a photo to look like. They are far from infallible, though, and having the ability to over-ride them or take the information they offer you and make your own decisions from it is invaluable. My focusing example above, IMO, is a good example of this. Even though I was telling it what I wanted to focus on, it easily got confused. Still, though, they're better than an 80s camera that might not give you any controls over it and just make a best(often poor) guess of what you might want. Back then, learning how to use a better camera(typically, but not always, an SLR in 35mm, and an SLR in medium format) was virtually a requirement for anyone who wanted to take their photography to the next level. At that time, some cameras were starting to get really smart about metering-like the 5 zone matrix on the Nikon FA-but you still needed to know what was going on and when you needed to over-ride it.
Yes cameras are smart. I took video at the ballpark in wide mode and am surprised at how well it looked on my HD TV. It also instantly transferred to my appleTV so I could play it without a HDMI cable.

Still like taking shots and videos on my canons but the phone is a great backup.
 

kenoh

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Jul 18, 2008
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Glasgow, UK
Forget a Miata-my fun car was considered the "Spiritual Inspiration" for the Miata.

But yes, a lively little roadster comes alive with a manual.


OK, I am going to do it... I can't resist....

We mainly drive manual in the UK because........ we know how to drive..... :eek: there I said it....

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Expos of 1969

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No we drive on the right side. The rest of you are on the wrong side.... if we drove on the right we couldn't draw our swords and attack the oncoming lane - even though swords are illegal.
The Japanese are with you and they have a history with swords as well :oops:
 
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