All of the chatter on the dark web is that Vega is going to be late and short, and Apple will wait for Sirius for the next tube.
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The "I'm Waiting for a New Mac Pro Tower" Thread
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Think there is a decent chance of a 7,1 this year with Vega, a 2TB SSD option, Skylake Xeons, and TB3/USB-C ports?
This is an artificial constraint imposed by Apple. Xamarin.IOS runs on Visual Studio on Windows and it would be trivial for Apple to make the sdk available on windows for the final build. Hell, they could make it available on the cloud and charge for the use of it by other platforms.
Exactly! Apple's the only company which is making all of its computers non-upgradable and non-repairable, which such things are impossible or prohibitively expensive.
Yeah, Apple has been prioritizing form over function ever since Tim Cook took the reins.
While they're waiting to update it, some folks are switching to Windows PCs, Linux PCs, and Hackintoshes.
"He who hesitates is lost"
That's why the classic Mac Pro was great - Nvidia didn't have to make a special proprietary GPU just for Apple's workstations. Classic Mac Pro owners could just use PC versions of Nvidia's GPUs instead.
But is the performance significantly below that of alternatives?
The high end Intel processors in the nMP have kind of hit a wall performance-wise, such that there's not a compelling reason to update those.
I don't know what's going on in the non-gaming GPU world, so I won't even try to speculate there.
Most everything else expansion-wise can be done with an external TB rack.
For those who absolutely need a PCIe interface, I get it, but the nMP does an awful lot of what people would normally need cards for.
That being said, my MacPro 5,1 is getting long in the tooth but I'm not silly enough to take the nMP plunge until there's a compelling reason, and at present there's not (for me); if I had to replace it I'd get a 5K iMac and try to shuffle around peripherals as best I could.
I kinda disagree. While Thunderbolt 3 is nice, it's still rather limited. Thunderbolt 3 is 40 Gbps while PCIe 3 is 160 Gbps and PCIe 4.0 is 256 Gbps. Sure, you can compress the data to make it fit over Thunderbolt, but there's still a speed loss, and the compression requires extra CPU power. Not to mention, Thunderbolt 3 PCIe enclosures aren't cheap.
Just saw this on the internet.
Apple’s current vision statement was introduced by CEO Tim Cook, who stated, “We believe that we are on the face of the earth to make great products and that’s not changing. We are constantly focusing on innovating. We believe in the simple not the complex. We believe that we need to own and control the primary technologies behind the products that we make, and participate only in markets where we can make a significant contribution. We believe in saying no to thousands of projects, so that we can really focus on the few that are truly important and meaningful to us. We believe in deep collaboration and cross-pollination of our groups, which allow us to innovate in a way that others cannot. And frankly, we don’t settle for anything less than excellence in every group in the company, and we have the self- honesty to admit when we’re wrong and the courage to change. And I think regardless of who is in what job those values are so embedded in this company that Apple will do extremely well.”
Very clear that Apple can't contribute significantly in servers, workstations, high performance computers, or even...tower. Even they do it, it's just a very very small part in that particular area. Therefore, they won't do it anymore (they can, but they won't). They will say NO to the tower Mac Pro project (or even the new Mac Pro project). And focus on the emoji bar which they believe it's truly important and meaningful.
Apple’s current vision statement was introduced by CEO Tim Cook, who stated, “We believe that we are on the face of the earth to make great products and that’s not changing. We are constantly focusing on innovating. We believe in the simple not the complex. We believe that we need to own and control the primary technologies behind the products that we make, and participate only in markets where we can make a significant contribution. We believe in saying no to thousands of projects, so that we can really focus on the few that are truly important and meaningful to us. We believe in deep collaboration and cross-pollination of our groups, which allow us to innovate in a way that others cannot. And frankly, we don’t settle for anything less than excellence in every group in the company, and we have the self- honesty to admit when we’re wrong and the courage to change. And I think regardless of who is in what job those values are so embedded in this company that Apple will do extremely well.”
Very clear that Apple can't contribute significantly in servers, workstations, high performance computers, or even...tower. Even they do it, it's just a very very small part in that particular area. Therefore, they won't do it anymore (they can, but they won't). They will say NO to the tower Mac Pro project (or even the new Mac Pro project). And focus on the emoji bar which they believe it's truly important and meaningful.
It's actually a lot more difficult than you think. Visual Studio, for example, is missing things like a Simulator. And the iOS Simulator depends directly on OS X. And that doesn't even get into developing Mac apps. You can't launch a Mac app for debugging on Windows hardware.
Past all that, have you used iTunes on Windows? Apple isn't the greatest Windows developer, and they know that.
It's easier just to do a Mac Pro update, or push developers onto the iMac or MacBook Pro if they wanted to cut the Mac Pro.
There are still development situations, even on iOS, that really ask for the Mac Pro, even inside Apple. So it's not even as simple as "iPhone slow! No Mac Pro!"
I think it IS the end of the Mac Pro...although I really hope I'm wrong. If Apple truly were "waiting on" anything, the absolute very least, bare minimum, stop-insulting-me thing they could do is to acknowledge that the CPUs and GPUs in it are over 3 years old and lower the price over time. Since they seem to have their fingers in their ears or their heads in the sand, and since they make a point of never letting their customers know anything about their products that might be of some benefit for planning purposes, etc, they just march on as if the Mac Pro is some latest-and-greatest product right now just as it was almost 4 years ago upon introduction. It'd be amazing to me if their sales weren't stagnated at 0 at this point...purchasing one just makes no sense, unless one simply doesn't care about making a good investment. I just really cannot figure why there hasn't at least been a token price drop...simply staggering.
Personally, I think the radical form factor change of the nMP was probably a good thing for many customers, but certainly not all. Despite Jony Ive's personal vendetta against anything large enough to have useful ports on it, I think the Mac Pro tower is the best power-user machine ever designed, from the cable-less HD bays to the removable CPU tray to the easy access to all components in the system. If I had my way, there would be a tweaked tower (we don't really need 2 optical bays...built-in 2.5" mounting for SSDs is definitely needed...5 slots w/ none sharing lanes would be better than 4 with 2 sharing, etc) Mac Pro alongside the pro-sumer trashcan (albeit w/ CPUs and GPUs that don't have dust caked on them when fished out of the parts bin at build time). And before someone makes the simple-product-line, high-volume product strategy apology, keep in mind that just because the iPhone made everything else Apple makes seem like small potatoes, that doesn't mean a smaller-volume product made well can't generate a nice profit in its own right.
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Too late (at least for Graphics professionals). As I've said before, 5 years ago graphic design studios were 100% Mac (mostly MacPro, some top of range iMacs). These days all of the studios I visit/free-lance in are 100% Windows (mainly HP workstations).
There is no pent up demand for a new MacPro. I'm sure Apple realise this and, unless the video industry has stuck to their Macs, there is no point in producing a new Pro for "Pro" users - they've moved on. It's time has gone. Apple are only in the home market these days. My working career has mirrored with the life span of the Mac from the SE through to the cheesegraters. It looks like I'll see out the Mac as a pro computer (which surprises me).
I just read the vision statement for the first time, and I was surprised to find out that it really is hypocritical, flimsy. Until I actually read the vision statement, I was confused by the contradicting quotes people were posting, and so I thought one of the two quotes was fake. The vision statement actually rather hypocritical. In in one part it says "We believe that we need to own and control the primary technologies behind the products that we make" and in another part it says "we have the self- honesty to admit when we’re wrong and the courage to change". So, they want to be proprietary and make disposable computers right now and they'll go back to making repairable and upgradeable computers if they have to? That's an interesting way to backpedal.
[doublepost=1487341412][/doublepost]This thread got me to wondering what a lot of Mac users who want upgradable computers like the Mac Pro will buy for their next computer. So, I've made a poll: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/whats-next-power-users-linux-or-hackintosh.2033146/
Compare this drivel to Apple's original from 1980...
“To make a contribution to the world by making tools for the mind that advance humankind.”
It's ok though...now we have...
I got tired of waiting.
I hobbled together the following:
Mac Pro (Late 2013), 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon E5, 12 GB RAM, AMD FirePro D300
23" Apple Cinema Display
macOS 10.12.3
Life is too short to keep worrying about what Apple will or will not do.
I'm enjoying this "new" system....getting work done and playing games. =)
richmlow
I hobbled together the following:
Mac Pro (Late 2013), 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon E5, 12 GB RAM, AMD FirePro D300
23" Apple Cinema Display
macOS 10.12.3
Life is too short to keep worrying about what Apple will or will not do.
I'm enjoying this "new" system....getting work done and playing games. =)
richmlow
Did you get it used or new (hence "new"?)? I haven't priced it out myself at all, but I'd imagine you can upgrade the CPU to something as good as or better than the upper-end configs for substantially less. And obviously you can add RAM for way less, too...
Just saw this on the internet.
Apple’s current vision statement was introduced by CEO Tim Cook, who stated, “We believe that we are on the face of the earth to make great products and that’s not changing. We are constantly focusing on innovating. We believe in the simple not the complex. We believe that we need to own and control the primary technologies behind the products that we make, and participate only in markets where we can make a significant contribution. We believe in saying no to thousands of projects, so that we can really focus on the few that are truly important and meaningful to us. We believe in deep collaboration and cross-pollination of our groups, which allow us to innovate in a way that others cannot. And frankly, we don’t settle for anything less than excellence in every group in the company, and we have the self- honesty to admit when we’re wrong and the courage to change. And I think regardless of who is in what job those values are so embedded in this company that Apple will do extremely well.”
Very clear that Apple can't contribute significantly in servers, workstations, high performance computers, or even...tower. Even they do it, it's just a very very small part in that particular area. Therefore, they won't do it anymore (they can, but they won't). They will say NO to the tower Mac Pro project (or even the new Mac Pro project). And focus on the emoji bar which they believe it's truly important and meaningful.
Apl's current MISSION Statement
“Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple has reinvented the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App store, and is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices with iPad.”
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Current actual (secret) mission statement:
"Apple mints money by designing elegant yet increasingly dated, uninspired and dumbed-down products wrapped in a soothing fog of marketing and rapidly-fading residual good will."
"Apple mints money by designing elegant yet increasingly dated, uninspired and dumbed-down products wrapped in a soothing fog of marketing and rapidly-fading residual good will."
I got a refurbed Mac Pro from the Apple Store.
After waiting for such a long time for Apple to update the Mac Pro, I finally got tired of waiting. From my point of view, it appears that Apple no longer is concerned with the Mac Pro line. By their inaction and lack of communication, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mac Pro line EOL in the near future.
Of course, I had contemplated buying an HP Z workstation. However, I'm not enthralled with the Windows OS.
Anyways, I expect this Mac Pro to last me 10+ years. By that time, who knows what Apple will be doing?!
richmlow
After waiting for such a long time for Apple to update the Mac Pro, I finally got tired of waiting. From my point of view, it appears that Apple no longer is concerned with the Mac Pro line. By their inaction and lack of communication, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mac Pro line EOL in the near future.
Of course, I had contemplated buying an HP Z workstation. However, I'm not enthralled with the Windows OS.
Anyways, I expect this Mac Pro to last me 10+ years. By that time, who knows what Apple will be doing?!
richmlow
While Jony isn't the primary Amigo, he has been a driving force in the form over function designs.