MP 7,1 The New COLANDER Mac Pro!

[filterdecay]

I was looking at the invoice for my first fleet of macs. My MacIIx was $14,000. The keyboard was an additional $500 and that didn't include the $1500.00 12" color monitor. It had 4 MB or ram and an 80 MB hard drive. (not GB)

All that power for 6, or 12, thousand just shows how spoiled we were.

oh, and the Mac SEs with 1 MB RAM and 20 MB HDD were $6,000 each.

kwicherbichin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

 

[throAU]

Once Intel does release this new crop of Xeon-W's that will be inside the new Mac Pro, why don't you go build one and find out if you can do it for half the cost and let us know?

Why would i do that, when i could build 32 core AMD Threadripper, with a couple of terabytes of M.2 SSD, with a pair of more recent GPUs, STILL for less money than what apple are charging for 8 cores and an SSD i wouldn't even consider big enough for my Macbook?

I've had 8 cores, 32 GB of RAM and dual Vega 64 GPUs for around $4k aussie for 18+ months now.

Yes, it isn't a Xeon. It clocks faster. I could have gone Threadripper (with way more than 8 cores) instead and still come in under Apple's budget by a LONG way.


Literally the only reason to even consider the Mac Pro is for the ASIC (which is of limited use) and/or MacOS. Their hardware costs are a joke.

Part of that reason is because Apple somehow refuse to use processors from AMD despite Intel being massively out-classed at the moment. But that's their choice.

Another part is because they seem obsessed with un-necessarily reinventing the wheel with custom fancy looking enclosures that simply do not provide any benefit for performance. Its going to live under a desk - focus on performance per dollar, not fashion, thanks. This is a pro machine.

They could/should have got AMD to get them some highly binned EPYCs - you can get 64 core EPYCs now for WAY less than what intel are charging for 28 cores. AMD are also doing custom processors for plenty of others, they wouldn't even have been limited to what AMD have in their parts bin...

 

[fendersrule]

Starting with Zen 2, AMD is kicking Intel's butt in most cases. With Zen 3 right around the corner, it will be 8-10% improvement over Zen 2 (which is already awesome).

I tell people that we're finally back in the Athlon days. It was a long wait.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

you guys necro'ed an almost five month old post just to complain about Intel?

 

[Pressure]

It's a bit funny though, seeing as this thread were created 149 days ago and still no new Mac Pro. Any day now I guess.

 

[fendersrule]

apple can keep it.

 

[philipma1957]

Thank you for dragging this back up. I have always preferred my own monitors due to my cataract surgery. I served in USN and spent a long time at sea. My eyes suffered for this and I had surgery in my early 50's. This makes screen selection important. IE I tried iMacs 27 inch and they were not good for me so to run mac osx it meant mac minis or mac pros with my choice of monitors.
6000 to start with a garbage cpu a 256gb ssd and not much ram. plus a low quality rx 580.
I just built an amd with the ryzen 9 3900x the corsair 2tb nvme m.2 ssd a nvidia rtx 1660ti with 64gb ram and an asrock mobo along with a platinum psu. for under 1500. If I had chosen to do a threadripper with 128gb ram and a vega 56 I can build one for under 2500. 6000 is beyond too much for base gear price.
The ryzen 9 3900x is a good cpu. Threadripper and eypc are good cpus. 6000.00 Is silly stupid. You will need to spend 10,000 for a good model maybe 13,000.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Thank you for dragging this back up. I have always preferred my own monitors due to my cataract surgery. I served in USN and spent a long time at sea. My eyes suffered for this and I had surgery in my early 50's. This makes screen selection important. IE I tried iMacs 27 inch and they were not good for me so to run mac osx it meant mac minis or mac pros with my choice of monitors.
6000 to start with a garbage cpu a 256gb ssd and not much ram. plus a low quality rx 580.
I just built an amd with the ryzen 9 3900x the corsair 2tb nvme m.2 ssd a nvidia rtx 1660ti with 64gb ram and an asrock mobo along with a platinum psu. for under 1500. If I had chosen to do a threadripper with 128gb ram and a vega 56 I can build one for under 2500. 6000 is beyond too much for base gear price.
The ryzen 9 3900x is a good cpu. Threadripper and eypc are good cpus. 6000.00 Is silly stupid. You will need to spend 10,000 for a good model maybe 13,000.

Your build doesn't have MacOS. You could look into Mac Mini (as you noted) and have a cheap machine with decent specs and choose any monitor you like. Sounds like Mac Pro isn't correct for your use case.

 

[fendersrule]

MacOS is not much above Windows anymore.

Agree that Mac Mini is a good choice for someone that needs MacOS. But the specs of Philip's build totally crushes the hell out of a Mac Mini. It actually will crush the new Mac Pro in gaming. That sounds like a nice build.

I'm going to have to start tapering off of MacOS soon. Need to start pulling everything out, and just closing off that relationship. Apple left me, I didn't leave Apple.

 

[philipma1957]

I don't need a Mac Pro true.
I need a pc that gives me 2x 2tb ssds they don't need to be top of the line ones samsung 2tb evo work well enoguh.
I need a decent gpu not even a good one a Nvidia gtx 1660 is good enoguh
I need a decent 6 core or 8 core cpu
I need about 32gb ram.

The macmini is a joke why is that I need 3 boxes:
macmini
eGpu
2 drive external tb3 case.

cost is about :

1000 for the mini if I buy the base and have an i7 cpu I can get it on the veteran apple store.
150 if I do the ram upgrade
300 for an external nvme case not sure if the one I like is good
699 for the lessor blackmagic egpu case
say 2200 usd for basically a mess

I will need 3 power wires for the 3 boxes and multiple connecting wires typical apple slop when you have a macmini

I have owned 2 mac pros and to be honest they were over kill for my needs but they were neat and clean setups.

My macminis are nearing end of life too slow for my needs.
I do like the ryzen 9 build most likely I will leave mac in the next few years as they simply do not care if you have any special needs for a screen.

The mac minis struggle to do my 4k screen. I do have a dell with an 8700t cpu and intel graphics 630 it is okay for the 4k screen i use.

It would have been nice to just have a simple pc that kept all its stuff in one package. 6k jeesh a joke.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

I don't need a Mac Pro true.
I need a pc that gives me 2x 2tb ssds they don't need to be top of the line ones samsung 2tb evo work well enoguh.
I need a decent gpu not even a good one a Nvidia gtx 1660 is good enoguh
I need a decent 6 core or 8 core cpu
I need about 32gb ram.

The macmini is a joke why is that I need 3 boxes:
macmini
eGpu
2 drive external tb3 case.

cost is about :

1000 for the mini if I buy the base and have an i7 cpu I can get it on the veteran apple store.
150 if I do the ram upgrade
300 for an external nvme case not sure if the one I like is good
699 for the lessor blackmagic egpu case
say 2200 usd for basically a mess

I will need 3 power wires for the 3 boxes and multiple connecting wires typical apple slop when you have a macmini

I have owned 2 mac pros and to be honest they were over kill for my needs but they were neat and clean setups.

My macminis are nearing end of life too slow for my needs.
I do like the ryzen 9 build most likely I will leave mac in the next few years as they simply do not care if you have any special needs for a screen.

The mac minis struggle to do my 4k screen. I do have a dell with an 8700t cpu and intel graphics 630 it is okay for the 4k screen i use.

It would have been nice to just have a simple pc that kept all its stuff in one package. 6k jeesh a joke.

Sounds like building your own machine from scratch is a better fit for you. Enjoy