If you’re editing video on that thing, you’re editing it from an external drive.
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I think that’s right. The proprietary is just an option.
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MP 7,1 The New COLANDER Mac Pro!
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Yeah, unfortunately, 147PPI and 300 nits top brightness doesn’t get it done.
Don’t get me wrong, I own two Dell
Displays that I love (U2414H and a P2415Q), but this new Apple display is way past anything Dell, LG, NEC or Asus have at this point. Would like to see how this display compares to the EIZO ColorEdge CG319X, because the prices are very similar (~$5000-$6000).
I wonder how expensive this thing will be. imac pro's 256gb ram upgrade is 5.6g Canadian...then it's only logical that 1.5tb ram upgrade will be ...astronomical. My personal guess is that a maxed out mac pro will be in the range of a price of a midtier Porsche.
Professionals have the choice of purchasing an iMac Pro, MacBook Pro or a Windows 10 workstation using the Core X-Series should they be so inclined. They can even build it themselves, should they really want to do that.
Sometimes I wonder why the MacBook Pro doesn’t use Xeon-E at this point...perhaps that would be a better idea as well.
Consumers have the choice of buying an iMac, Mac mini, MacBook Air or MacBook OR they can buy a Windows 10-based consumer PC, of which the 2019 Mac Pro definitely is not.
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1.5TB of DRAM will be astronomical no matter your local currency.
You're sacrificing performance for error correction, and if your memory modules do have errors, you'd be better off replacing them, than living unknowingly with RAM that keeps on correcting those errors.
I've long had Mac Pros and Lenovo workstations, all of them with ECC, and eventually changed to normal RAM. Of course, feel free to spend more on ECC, encouraging Apple to keep on with their bad habits.
I know some people will be able to use all the power in this. Creative users span quite a wide bracket of needs.
I wouldn’t mind one if I had the current budget but really if I am going all out on hardware I will get something that doesn’t make me wince every time i look at it. Worst Apple design ever.
Unfortunately, Apple doesn't give consumers the choice to have any upgradeability, which is the crux of the matter. See how well that worked with the trashcan Mac Pro. While this one is infinitely better, it will prove itself three of four years down the road, when we see whether Apple keeps offering newer expansion modules (otherwise they are pointless and might as well solder them). If they do, this Mac Pro will be well worth it. If they don't, they might as well do only eGPU.
Yes. I used to have a Lenovo Thinkstation, with Xeon and ECC and have since decided to build instead. They are just as guilty as Apple in that regard, but in their case we have an easy choice. With Apple, it's either a completely locked system, with sub-par components mixed with stellar components (iMac) or a compromise across the board (Mac Mini). I see this Mac Pro selling very well at first, and then not well at all (although of course this will depend on who jumps on board. It's not 2008 anymore, when Apple had a decisive competitive advantage. Windows OS and Windows software has advanced a lot, while Apple has made some dubious choice in terms of software development.
These Intel CPUs may be new, unannounced, but in-their-roadmap models from their Cascade Lake platform with the BGA socket:
https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-roadmap-leak-10nm-ice-lake-sp-2020-sapphire-rapids-sp-2021/
That link has info about their future XEON roadmap. I was kind of hoping they could have gone for Cooper Lake, as it has the same socket as the Ice Lake generation coming after it, which does support PCIe 4.0.
Regardless, I think it's safe to say Apple has learned its lessons and will hopefully keep this new Mac Pro evolving with a new chipset every 1 or 2 XEON CPU generations from Intel.
While I'm a bit sad about the high pricing, I will likely still end up with one and the display + stand. One of these machines would pay for itself within 2 months of owning it.
I'd likely go for:
16-core XEON
48GB RAM
1TB SSD
1 x Vega II Duo
1 x Pro Display + Stand
I can only imagine that's going to set me back around $18,000 - $20,000 AUD!!!
https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-roadmap-leak-10nm-ice-lake-sp-2020-sapphire-rapids-sp-2021/
That link has info about their future XEON roadmap. I was kind of hoping they could have gone for Cooper Lake, as it has the same socket as the Ice Lake generation coming after it, which does support PCIe 4.0.
Regardless, I think it's safe to say Apple has learned its lessons and will hopefully keep this new Mac Pro evolving with a new chipset every 1 or 2 XEON CPU generations from Intel.
While I'm a bit sad about the high pricing, I will likely still end up with one and the display + stand. One of these machines would pay for itself within 2 months of owning it.
I'd likely go for:
16-core XEON
48GB RAM
1TB SSD
1 x Vega II Duo
1 x Pro Display + Stand
I can only imagine that's going to set me back around $18,000 - $20,000 AUD!!!
Wait a second... I am running a small business. Still I can't justify to shell out that kind of money on a workstation. It doesn't make sense if your expenses eat up all your revenue. This Mac Pro will serve a very small niche in the market, who the average pro is not part of anymore. Apple still has nothing in their line-up that fits my business needs: a powerful and modular mid-range tower. Their pricing feels like rape. My 2017 15" MacBook Pro will be the last Mac I bought for the time being... Either I will switch platforms at some point or I will at least build Hackintoshs as an option... Never thought it would come to this one day.
6k USD for
Seriously? that spec is worth HALF of that, if that.
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Very much doubt it.
- RX580
- 32GB RAM
- 8 Cores
- 256GB SSD
- an ASIC
- a fancy enclosure nobody really cares about
Seriously? that spec is worth HALF of that, if that.
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Very much doubt it.
Can you fill me in what you are doing for a living that it would pay for itself within 2 months? A 20k machine? Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I can't imagine that in any job an investment like this would boost your productivity so much that you would make 10k more than before per month... If so, I truly want two switch profession.
I found an answer to my own question! Promise Technology have created a 4x and 2x 3.5" hard drive dock for the Mac Pro. So excited- can put all my old HDDs in it!
https://www.promise.com/us/Promotion/PegasusStorage
https://www.promise.com/us/Promotion/PegasusStorage
Looks like the traditional silver aluminum chassis, but with the keys from the Space Grey Magic Keyboard. I have yet to find a good shot of it online.
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The Xeon W's listed here - https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/ - are the ones mentioned in this article - https://wccftech.com/intel-core-x-next-gen-cascade-lake-x-hedt-cpu-fall-2019-launch/
The same thing happened when Apple teased the specs for the iMac Pro at WWDC 2017 and Intel did not announce the (then brand new line of) Xeon W CPUs until late August.
Once Intel does release this new crop of Xeon-W's that will be inside the new Mac Pro, why don't you go build one and find out if you can do it for half the cost and let us know?
Re:keyboard—yes—That’s how I saw it.
Jonathan Morrison has a YouTube video with a first look and he mentions it.
Based on what he described purchasing, he's going to be closer to $15K than $20K, but I digress.
There are many professions where every ounce of speed counts.
The ability to be able to edit ProRes RAW footage without transcoding or proxying will be well worth the money if this is his profession. If he captures 4K ProRes RAW directly to an Atomos Ninja V or Shogun Inferno, he can simply move the SSD from the Atoms to the Mac Pro, backup to HDD and/or copy to his edit drives and start editing. That's a huge advantage, if the end user is use the supported workflow.
I'd have preferred Colani design over Colander design...
Boy, that thing looks ugly in the photos. Would have to see it on a desk though to have a final opinion.
Definitely a "pro" machine, looks like a serious number cruncher. And the noise level of an iMac Pro with the processing power of a much more expensive Workstation sounds cool.
But I can't help thinking "seriously-they have been designing this thing since 2013 and THIS is what they come up with after all the fuzz?"... Looks like just the logical next step after the cheese grater. I wonder if that thing at least has some secret capabilities like linking 10+ units together to a supercomputing cluster or something along these lines...
I’m going to bet if you can do your work just fine on a 15” MBP you probably arent the target for this machine either. As far as small businesses go I know plenty of independent photographers and such who carry around a lot more than $6k in gear already, they’ll purchase this and write it off as an expense. As far as larger companies go... As I mentioned before it’s not, for example, something I’m going to be requesting at work, I dont need it, my heavy lifting is done on remote machines (which, BTW, cost *far* more/month than this MP costs for a one time purchase), but I imagine some of our designers will.
This is a high end workstation, Apple isnt selling a midrange tower anymore. It sucks for a lot of us that want that midrange tower, but it doesnt mean this is totally ridiculous as a high end workstation.
Tens of thousand of times a day? I mean, seriously where are you living? In the containment of a nuclear plant? If that were true what you state, each ordinary computer without ECC RAM would crash at least a hundred times per day due to memory errors.
Actually, since at least recoverable RAM errors are logged by the operating system, I have some real facts about how often my former MP 3,1 had such kind off error, because I actually checked the logs on a regular basis, because I was curious about that ECC thing and how effective it actually is.
And now, guess how many times I had such a log entry (i.e. recoverable ECC error) during the nearly 6 years I used my 3,1?
One time. ONE time. Thats all. So my take is that ECC RAM is just overrated and not THAT important if your type of work is not REALLY mission critical.
For how much DRAM in your 3,1? 32GB? @AidenShaw stated that it was a box with 72c/144t and 1.5 TB of DRAM, which is 48x as much DRAM and 48-32GB DIMMS, which is probably 12x as many DIMMs as you have in your system. When stuff breaks on enterprise equipment and it can, no matter how much you seem to research, justify, research more and end up getting budget for, when it does, it's a headache to track down. At least with ECC, you have a chance...it always helps if the DIMM slot has a fault LED next to it, but I digress.
Well, my 3,1 actually had only 16GB of RAM, so yeah that's a point. But still, even with 1.5TB of RAM you won't looking at "tens of thousands" of RAM errors each day, surely not. And I also said that this of course makes sense for really mission critical work. But again, ONE recoverable error in six years - thats not that much, right?
Whether you can and whether people do are two different things. Most people do not use ECC memory because the cost versus benefit doesn’t make sense for them.