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MP 7,1 The New COLANDER Mac Pro!
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While it's good that they upgrade it, and I'm sure all the specs taken separately are high end, at the end of the day, for 6K, compared to a PC (yes, I know...) you get:
8-Core. Will have to wait for the benchmarks
Meh GPU. You can get a faster GPU in the Vega for what, 500?
32GB of ECC RAM. ECC is useless for most people.
256GB SSD. Come on....
So, if you want to run, say, Blackmagic Resolve (to compare Apples to Apples) you can get a similarly fast pc for what, one third to half the price? That said, my Lenovo was 5200€ when new, so same ballpark. And similar workstation from established sellers are about the same price (except regarding the GPU, where they usually come with more expensive ones).
If you want top performance, though, with all the add-on cards, the Mac Pro becomes hard to beat, but we'll see at what price. I can see the video cards costing $2500+ each.
8-Core. Will have to wait for the benchmarks
Meh GPU. You can get a faster GPU in the Vega for what, 500?
32GB of ECC RAM. ECC is useless for most people.
256GB SSD. Come on....
So, if you want to run, say, Blackmagic Resolve (to compare Apples to Apples) you can get a similarly fast pc for what, one third to half the price? That said, my Lenovo was 5200€ when new, so same ballpark. And similar workstation from established sellers are about the same price (except regarding the GPU, where they usually come with more expensive ones).
If you want top performance, though, with all the add-on cards, the Mac Pro becomes hard to beat, but we'll see at what price. I can see the video cards costing $2500+ each.
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I was referring to the design in terms of upgradability and use. This one is a lot better in terms of that. Honestly they should've just reused the old molds, but this is functional at least.
I have more than 2 spinners - 10, in fact. Ah, the joys of a 6Tb iTunes library........
go to the mac pro page and scroll down. Those look exactly like m.2 Now if you want to say that apple is going to limit you to their m.2 drives well I dont know. For this price they probably wont be doing that. The point of this system is expandability. You can buy m.2 pci-e slot cards so why they would limit the onboard ones when its overcome with a $40 pci-e card is beyond me. I dont think they will do it.
[doublepost=1559599837][/doublepost]and we get 8 pci-e slots. I mean im in heaven.
They are just daughter boards with NAND flash on them like in the iMac Pro and the T2 acts as the controller.
yeah now that im comparing them to m.2 they look too short. Regardless thats an easy fix with 8 pci-e slots.
does this mean it will work on a macbook pro 13 inch? (a single one I mean) how about a MacBook air?
Thanks, I was going to ask if they let Schiller out of his cage for WWDC - but apparently not.
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Our buildings have been recently remodeled. Every desk comes with two or three adjustable arms, so lots of flexibility.
Unless you have an Apple monitor - they refused to buy VESA mounts for the Apples. The couple of people who still have the Apple "mirrors" use reams of printer paper for vertical height adjustment. (Almost everyone else has Dell 4K 27" "retina" monitors.)
Surely it’s pretty clear this thing is not meant for “most people”. Apple have other Macs more suitable for “most people”.
I really think that if you have a 2018 MacBook Pro, Mac mini, MacBook Air or a 2019 iMac, you should be able to use it. I am dubious that a 2016-2017 MacBook Pro or a 2017 iMac will work (Alpine Ridge; DP 1.2), but I would love to be proven wrong.
With "most people" I mean most Mac Pro users. ECC is not required outside of scientific users, really, and certainly not creative users, video editors or anything like that. It's basically a huge tax for something that nobody will use.
Dell had a 30" OLED (new Apple 6K monitor is not OLED) 4K monitor with 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio 2 years ago. A week or two ago they still had them in their Outlet store for $2,700 (all sold out now, however):
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/del...17q/apd/210-aiei/monitors-monitor-accessories
Okay, awesome. I don't need the power of a mac pro (hell, I don't need an iMac pro since the most computer heavy program I use is photoshop, and iMac's are great for that) but down the road I could see buying the monitor as a write off if it could work with a new iMac and or a laptop.
I most ardently disagree. One of the worst things about maintaining a computer system (or systems) is when you get random app/system crashes, hangs and reboots.
Look through the "help, my system crashes" posts here and on other bulletin boards. Usually, one of the first questions in response is "have you tested memory"?
Without ECC, you can run memory tests for hours or days trying to verify the RAM. With ECC - you don't even consider memory. If there's a memory issue, it will blue-screen with "uncorrectable memory error". If it doesn't blue-screen, memory is not the issue.
Right now I'm working with the users of one 72C/144T server of mine with 1.5 TiB of RAM, because the logs are showing 10K to 20K corrected memory errors per day. No user has seen any issue, but most likely one memory chip on one of the forty-eight 32 GiB DIMMs on the system has failed.
The system runs without error, because ECC fixes the error tens of thousands of times per day.
I need to address it soon, however, because if a second chip on that DIMM fails the system is toast.
While scientific users might be very concerned about the cascading effects of a single bit error on a numerical series, most creative users won't notice or care if one pixel in one frame is slightly off - the creatives will be very unhappy with a system that's unstable because it doesn't have ECC to correct memory errors.
You might want to share that with AMD - all of their CPUs can use ECC memory. They think your data is important.
Not really true, most AMD CPUs support ECC memory being installed but not all of them support all ECC features and may just use them as regular non-ECC ram
Exactly my point: most Mac Pro users don't care, and you're the tiny tiny percent who does care (and rightfully so) as your example shows. How many creative users (admittedly the immense majority of the Mac Pro users) would purchase a Mac Pro like the one you describe? Restricting the Mac Pro to Xeon/ECC at a massive overcost and not offering a choice is ridiculous. Those who do need it, know it and are highly unlikely to use a fancy Mac Pro anyway.
The first real editing suite I used cost 50000€ and was able to do real time video effects at a whopping 720x576 pixels, so I guess in retrospect, this Mac Pro is a bargain, but the market has shifted a lot, and I think consumers should get the choice.
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But there are standard pci-e slots, so it sounds like you would be able to use other video cards?
What a crock! If I have 128GB of DRAM, I’m a film editor who works on 4K day in/day out and that’s how I make money and pay my bills, I don’t want to waste time with an unstable system w/o ECC DRAM...you’re telling me that NO ONE outside the scientific community benefits from ECC DRAM on their system? I have to call BS.