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Broadwell based Core M will be available in the Fall. You're presuming that Apple is going to keep the CPU performance at the same equivalent level. If they decide that current levels are "good enough" they can transition to cheaper, lower TDP CPU package products.
I thought the news on Broadwell pointed to more tablet oriented parts at the end of the year, with laptop parts next year and desktop parts in July 2015 or so? Regardless, I wouldn't expect the Mac Mini to be the first in line to get Broadwell, and definitely not for a mid-2014 machine (if the leak pans out), so I wouldn't expect one till later next year.

PCIe flash storage blows away any current HDD RAID-0 performance.
Sure, but at a cost either in money or capacity as you've noted, plus that was just speculation, we might not see PCIe flash in a mid-2014 model at all. I was just saying how it could potentially differ in keeping with a leaked quote that suggested the current models may still have advantages.

Also, I was really referring to server users, and probably should have focused on RAID-1; after all in a server environment I think redundancy wins over raw performance, plus even a RAID-1 of good 2.5" SSDs still delivers strong performance compared to HDDs.

Sure there'll be users who want pure performance, and for whom redundancy isn't a big concern provided they have backup(s), but I was responding to a quoted source, possibly about the new Mac Mini, that mentioned that the current model may retain some advantages. I was really just suggesting why that may be, as while a switch to PCIe flash (if it happens for the next update) would be a distinct advantage for some, it wouldn't be benefit for anyone that wanted a machine capable of redundancy out of the box.

RAID 1 probably isn't a huge market. For servers a revision of Mac Mini enclosures like the Sonnet xMac (http://www.sonnettech.com/product/xmacminiserver.html) can easily solve two 2.5" bays or two M.2 sockets.
Well I couldn't find any numbers so I really don't know, so I can only talk from my own experience; but for me the appeal of a Mac Mini server is that it's small, and reasonably capable on its own, without the need for additional peripherals, allowing you to fairly easily assemble a small cluster of independent machines each with its own internal (albeit software) RAID-1.

Otherwise if you're going to start adding things in addition then you might as well just got a proper rack-server.
 
About freakin time!

Currently my only personal desktop is my Mac Mini mid 2010 (current body with the DVD) upgraded shortly after new purchase to 8GB running Mavericks, connected to my 60" plasma via HDMI using apple kb and magic pad.

As an HTPC value is hard pressed (although my Xbox one is necessary to play BR).

So happy there's finally an update, 16GB would be preferable min RAM, definitley wired Ethernet port, broadwell chip non-negotiable really..., SSD sure, waterproof meh, video card for quad 4k screens mmm that's better.

One big reason I'm definitely updating is to AirPlay - was using bananas tv on the Mac with my iPad & iPhone, but ios7 took care of that, (FYI Apple, the chip handled it fine).

Upgrading my iPhone 5 to 6, iPad 3(retina) to new iPad and the new Mini, gonna be ketchup and rice for awhile...:eek:
 
I would not be too surprised to see the Mini refreshed in a slimmer package. If Apple decides to use parts from the MBA and it's all solid state components we could see the look of the Mini make a jump from the MBP to the rMBP.

Actually since I already have the 2012 model, I would welcome a much slimmer Mini.
 
Only Apple would say, "We have some amazing products in the pipeline this year." And then launch them all at the same time.

Come on Apple, how about some mini love before all the bruhaha about the iPhone 6. And the iWatch. Which, IMHO, is going to be such an epic fail that heads will roll.

We can already get that crap from Samsung etc. I saw a display for some iWatch type things in Staples the other day. I laughed out loud. Almost went up and asked if they expect to even sell one of the damn things. What a waste of shelf space.

You will see. I am right. I always am.

But a good iPhone 6 and some mini love and Apple has me for life. Well, a nice new retina monitor as well :)
 
Only Apple would say, "We have some amazing products in the pipeline this year." And then launch them all at the same time.

Come on Apple, how about some mini love before all the bruhaha about the iPhone 6. And the iWatch. Which, IMHO, is going to be such an epic fail that heads will roll.

We can already get that crap from Samsung etc. I saw a display for some iWatch type things in Staples the other day. I laughed out loud. Almost went up and asked if they expect to even sell one of the damn things. What a waste of shelf space.

You will see. I am right. I always am.

But a good iPhone 6 and some mini love and Apple has me for life. Well, a nice new retina monitor as well :)

But the samsung watch is a piece of junk just like their tablets and phones... The iTime is going to be a good device that gives people the functionality they actually want and make it easy to use. I don't think it will fail...
 
Only Apple would say, "We have some amazing products in the pipeline this year." And then launch them all at the same time.

Come on Apple, how about some mini love before all the bruhaha about the iPhone 6. And the iWatch. Which, IMHO, is going to be such an epic fail that heads will roll.

We can already get that crap from Samsung etc. I saw a display for some iWatch type things in Staples the other day. I laughed out loud. Almost went up and asked if they expect to even sell one of the damn things. What a waste of shelf space.

You will see. I am right. I always am.

But a good iPhone 6 and some mini love and Apple has me for life. Well, a nice new retina monitor as well :)

I don't hardly ever see people wearing watches anymore. I would say most just look at their phone.
I know I'll never own one.
I do know that Tim Cook uses his IPad 80% of the time and we must be post PC according to MS CEO. :rolleyes:

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And oh ya, that pipeline is clogged up with Broadwell constipation.
 
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I don't hardly ever see people wearing watches anymore. I would say most just look at their phone.
I know I'll never own one.
I do know that Tim Cook uses his IPad 80% of the time and we must be post PC according to MS CEO. :rolleyes:

Was once horribly obsessed with watches. Have not worn one for 20 years at least. There will always be a soft spot in my heart for a nice Patek Philippe, but iWatch, no matter who makes it, not so much.

I am not worried, Apple will do so well with all their other stuff that the epic fail will hardly be noticed.

I really think there is no market except for die hard fanboys and those that buy any new tech no matter what it is.
 
Was once horribly obsessed with watches. Have not worn one for 20 years at least. There will always be a soft spot in my heart for a nice Patek Philippe, but iWatch, no matter who makes it, not so much.

I am not worried, Apple will do so well with all their other stuff that the epic fail will hardly be noticed.

I really think there is no market except for die hard fanboys and those that buy any new tech no matter what it is.

Me too. I still have several in the drawer unworn. (Not PPs by the way).
 
I don't hardly ever see people wearing watches anymore. I would say most just look at their phone.
I know I'll never own one.
I do know that Tim Cook uses his IPad 80% of the time and we must be post PC according to MS CEO. :rolleyes:

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And oh ya, that pipeline is clogged up with Broadwell constipation.

I wear a watch everyday but thats just for professional purposes at work. (for looks mostly) But I would love the iTime for the functionality.
 
How would you all feel about an August Mini (with old form factor) with the exact same specs and ports of the new low end iMac? I'm starting to think it's the most expectable scenario.

The GPU would be more powerful but how would the CPU compare to a 2.3Ghz quad core Ivy Bridge?

I would have thought this would be fairly inevitable and should have already been done at least. The questions in my mind are whether there will be a low end low cost model and a more powerful more expensive one and also whether they have gone for a redesign. If they have redesigned then who knows what we'll get including whether it will still be user upgradeable in the same way the current one is.
 
I thought the news on Broadwell pointed to more tablet oriented parts at the end of the year, with laptop parts next year and desktop parts in July 2015 or so? Regardless, I wouldn't expect the Mac Mini to be the first in line to get Broadwell,

Prior to a iMac with a MBA processor I would have tended to agree. The original mini concept was about putting a "mobile" (laptop) processor in a desktop that was substantially smaller. If Apple's objective is even smaller with mobile then perhaps high end tablet processor is next target. It has been about 10 years since the initial 'Mini' revolution ( Jan 2005).


There is a long string of folks who want to jam a "desktop class" A7/A8 into a mini. If that is "good enough" performance than Core M will fit the bill.
[ I'm not in that camp. I think the Mini might need to get bigger to merge with the iMac 21.5 rather than smaller and this MBA processor iMac is Intel catalog mismatch blimp till next iteration. ]


and definitely not for a mid-2014 machine (if the leak pans out), so I wouldn't expect one till later next year.

If 'Mid' stretches into September than perhaps. Sooner is probably confined to some MBA (or rMBP 13" ) variant.

The major problem with Haswell is that Apple could have done a mini remodel sooner with what has been out for almost a year. Unless Intel is rolling out something that was hugely missing before (e.g., cheaper HD5100 models in laptop class or HD5100/5000 in desktop class ).


Sure, but at a cost either in money or capacity as you've noted, plus that was just speculation, we might not see PCIe flash in a mid-2014 model at all.

IMHO quite likely will. The rest of the Mac line up is all on PCIe Flash. Even if they kept one 2.5" (e.g., the iMac) it would simplify supply chain to use the same flash models in the Mini as the rest of the lower end of the Mac line up.

2.5" SSDs went into old Mac Pro (gone) and the classic MBP (probably gone on next major MBP upgrade). I don't think Apple wants to buy any 2.5" SSDs. If there is a Fusion Drive option for Mini it likely going to look like the Fusion drives in the iMacs.


Also, I was really referring to server users, and probably should have focused on RAID-1; after all in a server environment I think redundancy wins over raw performance,

reliability is what RAID-1 targets. If the SSD doesn't' fail then don't need two. It isn't like there is redundancy in the rest of the Mini (no ECC , no dual network , no dual much of anything else ). SSDs do wear out, but if just OS/Apps for the drive and plugged in all the time not going to have spinning/moving parts failures if remove the HDDs.


plus even a RAID-1 of good 2.5" SSDs still delivers strong performance compared to HDDs.

But no where near as cost effective. Already are paying a $/GB penalty to go to SSD. Double down on penalty and there is an even larger gap.



but I was responding to a quoted source, possibly about the new Mac Mini, that mentioned that the current model may retain some advantages.

Well another could be dropping down to 2 cores only through either MBA or Core M restrictions. Perhaps both.


but for me the appeal of a Mac Mini server is that it's small, and reasonably capable on its own, without the need for additional peripherals, allowing you to fairly easily assemble a small cluster of independent machines each with its own internal (albeit software) RAID-1.


The server role of the mini is a "gravy on top" use case. It is probably not going to be driver in major Mini redesign as it isn't the primary use case. In the current design, they found something useful for the old DVD space to reuse the 2nd SATA internal connector for. If SATA drives are dinosaurs (to be phased out over next 3-4 years in Apple Mac Products), the new mini redesign probably wouldn't go out of it way to cater to it those.

The driving issue likey whether it is RAID-1 but how much "stuff" do most mainstream Mac Mini users has. What capacity requirements does the Mini have to hit. If in the over 400-500GB range then probably will keep a SATA drive. If the target is less than it will be smaller. The "Fusion Drive" solution suggest that the average is bigger than 400-500GB.


Otherwise if you're going to start adding things in addition then you might as well just got a proper rack-server.

Apple is only going to build the minimum set of products. The expanded set of use cases are always going to be "adding things in addition".

Similar issue with non rack systems too. If want "off-the-shelf" , dedicated storage / etc servers then there is stuff like Synloogy , DHCP/Network routers / etc.
 
Recall that some folks have been concerned about a move towards ARM chipset.

One good bit of news about that Bootcamp support page link that I don't think has been brought up is the fact that the planned Mid 2014 Mac mini must have an Intel CPU to support Windows!

Unless I'm not mistaken, running Bootcamp on an A7 or A8 can be discounted for the time being, no?

I also think the lack of new Server version bodes well for upgraded graphics and PCIe flash but not so much for RAM that isn't soldered.

Happy thoughts (with a smidgen of wishful thinking).
 
Good point on bootcamp support.

The App Store kind of makes special server versions obsolete. It's just to easy to buy the software on you're account and install as needed.
 
any news about the release date ?
august, september ?:p;):D:eek::)

MID 2014 means the time frame from May to August. (last years September refresh of iMac was named LATE 2013)

so four more Tuesdays to go, then we know if the MID 2014 Mac mini was a LEAK or an ERROR ...

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if it comes with low-end-iMac specs, it was a LEAK AND A MAJOR ERROR
 
Recall that some folks have been concerned about a move towards ARM chipset.

One good bit of news about that Bootcamp support page link that I don't think has been brought up is the fact that the planned Mid 2014 Mac mini must have an Intel CPU to support Windows!

Unless I'm not mistaken, running Bootcamp on an A7 or A8 can be discounted for the time being, no?

I also think the lack of new Server version bodes well for upgraded graphics and PCIe flash but not so much for RAM that isn't soldered.

Happy thoughts (with a smidgen of wishful thinking).

If I am not mistaken, Broadwell M is an x86 chip geared toward tablets like ARM but capable of BootCamp.
Normally the Mini would get U series dual core chips like MBP. The Broadwell M is classified as a Y series single core.

Source from CP World:

"Y" ULV systems on a chip will come with GT2 unit. The processors will have just 4.5 Watt TDP, hence the GPU will be clocked lower than on "U" and especially "H" products, which will be reflected in its rating, HD Graphics 5300.
 
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The major problem with Haswell is that Apple could have done a mini remodel sooner with what has been out for almost a year.
That was really my point with Broadwell though; while Haswell is a nice update graphically, it isn't really a major update for a Mac Mini otherwise since it's not as vulnerable to power consumption etc., and it should already be efficient enough for even energy conscious customers.

This is why Apple was likely waiting to upgrade this year because Broadwell should have been out by now. Actually my main worry is that the reference to a mid 2014 Mac Mini was in fact a leftover identifier for a model Apple had planned to bring out with a Broadwell processor.

It makes a lot of sense for Apple to want Broadwell in the mini, due to the even lower heat and power consumption, as it would then support a redesign. Whether they would now create a Haswell update in light of the Broadwell delays is a bit tricky; they might do it if they're seeing declining sales due to the age of the current Mac Mini, or if want to eliminate older chips from their production lines.

IMHO quite likely will. The rest of the Mac line up is all on PCIe Flash. Even if they kept one 2.5" (e.g., the iMac) it would simplify supply chain to use the same flash models in the Mini as the rest of the lower end of the Mac line up.
Oh they definitely will eventually, my thinking is more along the lines of whether they'd want to for an minor update they hadn't originally planned to do. If they were waiting for Broadwell then they never intended to update to Haswell, so such an update doesn't seem as likely to make any radical changes, whereas a redesigned Mac Mini would be better able to fit PCIe flash since they'd be redesigning it anyway. Granted I don't know what swapping the current 2.5" bay for a PCIe slot would involve, I'm just wondering if Apple would bother until they do the redesign.

reliability is what RAID-1 targets. If the SSD doesn't' fail then don't need two. It isn't like there is redundancy in the rest of the Mini (no ECC , no dual network , no dual much of anything else ). SSDs do wear out, but if just OS/Apps for the drive and plugged in all the time not going to have spinning/moving parts failures if remove the HDDs.
Reliability with capacity; again, my point was to highlight a way that the current mini might be superior to an updated one in response to a quote from a potential Mac Mini rumour source, and this was assuming the new one won't still have the option for matched SATA drives. I completely agree that in the long term SSDs will increasingly dominate the consumer market, but right now it's still at the transition point where they're still very expensive, and even a 1tb one may not be enough if someone wants to download 4k video; the performance is undoubtedly better, no disagreements from me on that, but I don't believe that SSDs as standard for Mac Minis would be a good move just now, and there are plenty of cases where an HDD is the better option purely on price and capacity. It's not as if HDDs have especially bad performance, the main issue is the choice of drives in the current minis, but that's easily (and still fairly cheaply) remedied.

So my point is purely dependent on whether Apple will switch to PCIe flash in the next update (and again, if it's a Haswell update then I'm not sure if they will, while for Broadwell they almost certainly will). But if it does occur, then it's an area where the current mini will remain superior for anyone wanting redundant drives, such as server users, since a RAID-1 of HDDs is still the best way to get a reliable volume with high capacity at a good price. If you're using a Mac Mini for a server then price is probably quite important, even while paying a premium for the size.
 
The point about the mid-2014 mini being a Broadwell relic is a good one, but keep in mind that we've known for at least six months that Broadwell was prolly only going to ship in the Holiday (and now it's slipped further.) So it seems unlikely a Broadwell version would be anything other than a late 2014 model.
 
I wear a watch everyday but thats just for professional purposes at work. (for looks mostly) But I would love the iTime for the functionality.

That's the gap I have a hard time seeing the iTime/Watch crossing.

Watches have become fashion accessories more than functional items. Few men wear watches these days, and those who do usually do it to compliment business attire. There seems to be more 'casual' watches sold to women...but many of those are more the larger and bracelet style watches that are in fashion these days.

Apple seems to want to bring functionality back to the watch. But if it doesn't meet the needs of the decreasing watch market...you better bring a whole lot of incredible functionality to make it worthwhile to the people who don't wear watches.

I think it'll flop miserably. Not in that it's a bad device, but in that most people aren't going to see a value/need for it that they don't get from their other devices.
 
Dependence vs Freedom and Instinct

The more devices we tether ourselves to the more dependent and inept we will become. The more batteries, cables, upgrades, glitches, viruses, hardware, software, firmware, vaporware and gadgets the more we elude ourselves and our instincts.

Period!

Working products that after 2 years are rendered useless and collect in our closets, drawers, landfills because of a software upgrade, incompatibility or peer pressure - not because it no longer works. My Gen 1 IPod Touch still works.

Madness!

Forfeiting human interaction, exercise and instinct for technology - Insane!

I like many of you have multiple Macs, iPhones and outdated "working" hardware that might make Radio Shack look like a fruit stand in comparison - but I'm slowly disconnecting and reducing my technology footprint ... blocking out time at home with no TV or Computer.
 
That's the gap I have a hard time seeing the iTime/Watch crossing.

Watches have become fashion accessories more than functional items. Few men wear watches these days, and those who do usually do it to compliment business attire. There seems to be more 'casual' watches sold to women...but many of those are more the larger and bracelet style watches that are in fashion these days.

Apple seems to want to bring functionality back to the watch. But if it doesn't meet the needs of the decreasing watch market...you better bring a whole lot of incredible functionality to make it worthwhile to the people who don't wear watches.

I think it'll flop miserably. Not in that it's a bad device, but in that most people aren't going to see a value/need for it that they don't get from their other devices.

We think alike. A watch AND a phone? I think not. And I certainly am not going to subject my older eyes to a watch sized monitor :) How about a beanie hat with a propeller so I can fly? Now that would be something.
 
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