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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming

The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming

philipma1957 said:
actually my budget is not moderate. I could spend 5k if I want.



My problem is of the 3 choices .



iMac don't need the screen

MacPro only need 1 good video card

MacMini I have the latest model the 2012 quad.



I have no real need for a laptop or an iPad.

I am in my 50's and do not travel much.

I watch a lot of home theater play some video games.



The mini used to be a lot of fun for me Apple basically killed off the fun of it by a 23 month wait for a newer model.
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If i want i could spend that money too but i don't. If i didn't think about money i would buy nMp in an instant. Not that i can't but i find it unneccesary waste of resources. This is what i guess but people waiting for mini are budget conscious. If i earned 10.000 a month i wouldnt even see this thread.
 
cypriot said:
If i want i could spend that money too but i don't. If i didn't think about money i would buy nMp in an instant. Not that i can't but i find it unneccesary waste of resources. This is what i guess but people waiting for mini are budget conscious. If i earned 10.000 a month i wouldnt even see this thread.
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I would hope that those that earn $10,000 / month also find it an unnecessary waste of resources.
 
iFitzgerald said:
Well, if they didn't charge so much for an SSD and RAM, I wouldn't need to buy it elsewhere. In Portugal it's 200€ for a 256GB SDD which I can get for 100€ and 300€ for 16GB of RAM which I can get for 145€. We're talking 255€ more. It's half of the minimum wage here in Portugal, and while I'm not on minimum wage, it's still a fat slice of my income :/

If it was only 50€ more for both I would still rant but I would buy it. If it was 100€ I would think hard about it. More than that, especially 255€ more...no way!
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Yes, this is exactly what is so difficult for me to understand about Apple's pricing of the storage and RAM upgrades. Why do they insist on making 200% margins on these? If they settled for a 100% margin, wouldn't they sell ten times as many upgrades and end up making five times the profit compared to what they make on upgrades today?
 
No leak on mini doesn't means Apple didn't cooking an update or replacement, see the Mac Pro, until it's announcement no body tell a word on it to be a cylinder, most dreamers just waited a NeXT cube reborn, and Apple give is a big surprise.

If Apple didn't launched an Haswell update early this year I doubt will launch so late, its very possible they decided an radical redesign with rely on Broadwell (then Intel delayed everything), so now we have Broadwell - M announced as solution for tablets and *desktops*.

Another question, Broadwell can't handle 5k3k Monitors these are 15MM pixels, near twice on an 4k display, only the Mac Pro can handle such resolution (at expense of an fully dedicated tb2 port). As for DP3 don't expect it until mid 2015 updates along Thunderbolt 3.
 
MarkusL said:
Yes, this is exactly what is so difficult for me to understand about Apple's pricing of the storage and RAM upgrades. Why do they insist on making 200% margins on these? If they settled for a 100% margin, wouldn't they sell ten times as many upgrades and end up making five times the profit compared to what they make on upgrades today?
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It's even worse than that. Because people don't want to pay the obscene markups, they put less ram in their computers than they really should, so the Apple experience suffers. My 2011 mbp flies with 16 gig of ram (cost me $80 2 weeks after I bought the machine in 2011). If the ram had been soldered in, I'd have 4 gig in the machine and be cursing Apple every time I use it. This is one reason I refuse to replace the old computer, I'm not willing to pay $300 to keep my 16 gig configuration.

And then Apple wastes development effort on stuff like memory compression in their OS, so you can trade CPU cycles for memory performance. Memory is dirt cheap outside the apple distortion field. They make it stupid expensive and then come up with stupid solutions for problems of their own creation. Their processors are underpowered enough in the name of small packages, I don't want to burn even more CPU power (generating more heat) just to compensate for too little RAM.

So all this makes the Apple experience worse when as you say they could profit at least as much by charging more realistic markups on memory and sell a lot more to people who want a decent Apple experience. Considering they don't have to supply the lower capacity part their actual markup is even higher than it looks. I have a draw full of brand new original Apple RAM and HDDs I pulled from week-old computers over the years.
 
Oracle1729 said:
It's even worse than that. Because people don't want to pay the obscene markups, they put less ram in their computers than they really should, so the Apple experience suffers. My 2011 mbp flies with 16 gig of ram (cost me $80 2 weeks after I bought the machine in 2011). If the ram had been soldered in, I'd have 4 gig in the machine and be cursing Apple every time I use it. This is one reason I refuse to replace the old computer, I'm not willing to pay $300 to keep my 16 gig configuration.

And then Apple wastes development effort on stuff like memory compression in their OS, so you can trade CPU cycles for memory performance. Memory is dirt cheap outside the apple distortion field. They make it stupid expensive and then come up with stupid solutions for problems of their own creation. Their processors are underpowered enough in the name of small packages, I don't want to burn even more CPU power (generating more heat) just to compensate for too little RAM.

So all this makes the Apple experience worse when as you say they could profit at least as much by charging more realistic markups on memory and sell a lot more to people who want a decent Apple experience. Considering they don't have to supply the lower capacity part their actual markup is even higher than it looks. I have a draw full of brand new original Apple RAM and HDDs I pulled from week-old computers over the years.
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I cannot tell you how strongly I agree about the made up memory issues and the pure insanity of not enough RAM. Humanity has REAL problems to solve.
 
Oracle1729 said:
It's even worse than that. Because people don't want to pay the obscene markups, they put less ram in their computers than they really should, so the Apple experience suffers. My 2011 mbp flies with 16 gig of ram (cost me $80 2 weeks after I bought the machine in 2011). If the ram had been soldered in, I'd have 4 gig in the machine and be cursing Apple every time I use it. This is one reason I refuse to replace the old computer, I'm not willing to pay $300 to keep my 16 gig configuration.

And then Apple wastes development effort on stuff like memory compression in their OS, so you can trade CPU cycles for memory performance. Memory is dirt cheap outside the apple distortion field. They make it stupid expensive and then come up with stupid solutions for problems of their own creation. Their processors are underpowered enough in the name of small packages, I don't want to burn even more CPU power (generating more heat) just to compensate for too little RAM.

So all this makes the Apple experience worse when as you say they could profit at least as much by charging more realistic markups on memory and sell a lot more to people who want a decent Apple experience. Considering they don't have to supply the lower capacity part their actual markup is even higher than it looks. I have a draw full of brand new original Apple RAM and HDDs I pulled from week-old computers over the years.
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Although I do not disagree that Apple markups on RAM and storage are high, the stock configurations on their consumer products are more than adequate. I bought my wife a 2014 13" MBA and, while I find the 1.4GHz, 4GB, 128SDD configuration woefully inadequate, the machine is more than capable handling her computing needs (web browsing, email, Microsoft Office, Photoshop).

To that end, I do hope that if Apple releases a new Mac Mini, it will still have user-upgradable RAM.
 
JackieInCo said:
Just reserved an open box I5 Mini at Microcenter for $498. Been waiting for them to have one and finally got lucky.

I feel much better going this route then craigslist.
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Best Buy was selling this model of the mini new last week (week of Sep 07, 2014) for about $529 :-/
 
sblemmy said:
Although I do not disagree that Apple markups on RAM and storage are high, the stock configurations on their consumer products are more than adequate. I bought my wife a 2014 13" MBA and, while I find the 1.4GHz, 4GB, 128SDD configuration woefully inadequate, the machine is more than capable handling her computing needs (web browsing, email, Microsoft Office, Photoshop).
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I agree there are users with light needs who will find stock configurations good enough but there are plenty who would benefit from more ram, and Apple charging 2-300% markup and locking you into soldered ram isn't exactly helping their image.

For desktops, there is just no excuse to solder it. Even for laptops, my 2004 powerbook had 256 meg soldered and a single slot that could hold up to 1 gig more. That's not ideal but it's a lot better than being suck with base soldered memory.
 
Oracle1729 said:
I agree there are users with light needs who will find stock configurations good enough but there are plenty who would benefit from more ram, and Apple charging 2-300% markup and locking you into soldered ram isn't exactly helping their image.

For desktops, there is just no excuse to solder it. Even for laptops, my 2004 powerbook had 256 meg soldered and a single slot that could hold up to 1 gig more. That's not ideal but it's a lot better than being suck with base soldered memory.
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Agreed. Apple price on OEM RAM upgrades on the mini just doesn't say "we put it in for you so there will be a small charge". It shouts "You are a stupid looser. After we made the RAM easy as pie to install we're going to totally gouge you up the ____ for it if you want more the 4GB. Thanks for playing, sucker!"
 
scottsjack said:
Agreed. Apple price on OEM RAM upgrades on the mini just doesn't say "we put it in for you so there will be a small charge". It shouts "You are a stupid looser. After we made the RAM easy as pie to install we're going to totally gouge you up the ____ for it if you want more the 4GB. Thanks for playing, sucker!"
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And it forces us to basically throw away the original 4GB. What a stupid waste.
 
I would be tempted to suggest that rather than soldered, we'll see a nMM with standard ram slots, if only because that makes for fewer manufacturing SKUs, and the ability to bump up specs at a later date without altering the manufacturing process.

In laptops it's understandable - an internal connector for ram chips is a weak point, where flex and movement can cause seating problems, with the associated instability of problematic ram, and it also means that some aspect of Apple's design has to be beholden to what form factor the RAM cabals decide to produce.

A desktop doesn't need that, and the ram situation for the 21" iMac is the exception in terms of desktops - it's a product aimed at bulk-purchasing institutional buyers, who'd be more likely to replace a machine, than they would be to upgrade its ram after a few years.

Or... maybe the Mac Mini brand will be dumped, and replaced by 2 models, one a little bit bigger, with better / upgradable graphics... something that perhaps sits with their current naming strategy, and for which they have existing trademarks...

Mac
Mac Plus :D
 
mattspace said:
Or... maybe the Mac Mini brand will be dumped, and replaced by 2 models, one a little bit bigger, with better / upgradable graphics... something that perhaps sits with their current naming strategy, and for which they have existing trademarks...

Mac
Mac Plus :D
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Mini Classic
Mini Plus

:cool:

More seriously, splitting the current Mini family into two distinct lines seems a real possibility.
 
Crosscreek said:
October 21 is the last shot for this year.
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I came here to share exactly the same thought! And October 21st happens to be a Tuesday so I would say that will definitely be the last chance to see a 2014 Mac Mini.

If we don't see it at that date, I think we might as well stop thinking about it until late February or early March 2015.

In the mean time I propose we off-topic this thread to get higher post count so we can please the Mac Mini God...jk ofc...
 
iFitzgerald said:
I came here to share exactly the same thought! And October 21st happens to be a Tuesday so I would say that will definitely be the last chance to see a 2014 Mac Mini.

If we don't see it at that date, I think we might as well stop thinking about it until late February or early March 2015.

In the mean time I propose we off-topic this thread to get higher post count so we can please the Mac Mini God...jk ofc...
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Can we still post the "It's happening" gif every tuesday?
 
The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming

I am afraid apple will devote its september and october to fixing all those bugs of ios8 and ipads. I (an optimist) became hopeless about mini in october.
 
iFitzgerald said:
I came here to share exactly the same thought! And October 21st happens to be a Tuesday so I would say that will definitely be the last chance to see a 2014 Mac Mini.

If we don't see it at that date, I think we might as well stop thinking about it until late February or early March 2015.

In the mean time I propose we off-topic this thread to get higher post count so we can please the Mac Mini God...jk ofc...
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Well Jim Dalrymple has posted a 'nope' against the rumour of an Oct 21st iPad and OSX event. So either there is no Oct 21st event or it's not about iPads and OSX. I'm going with, there isn't anything going on that day at all.

I wouldn't pin any hopes on a mac mini that day except by usual silent refresh.
 
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