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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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What's a $100 option on an Apple product? Chump change. Consider the $100 difference in price between iPad models and iPhone models, or the other pricey options on the iMacs and Minis. I'd gladly spend $100 for a dGPU and I think many other buyers will too.
What's good enough in 2011 or 2012 isn't necessarily so 3-4 years later. Computing needs change. User expectations change. People understand that a dGPU provides a better gaming and video/picture editing experience. It's not hard to sell it.
MacBook Air? It's an ultrabook. It shouldn't have a dGPU. MBP will likely keep the dGPU. That's essential to it being a Pro.
yeah paired with what cpu to keep heat low.
frankly i see their the cripple the mini plan as to not compete with the iMac or nMP as fine up to a point.
The point is very close as real 4k and 5k screens are going to appear for tv's and monitors. and a 27 inch iMac is too small even if it is 5k.
So Apple's cripple the mini's gpu run from 2005 to 2012 needs new thinking and not same old same old.
Huh? They wouldn't 'quadruple' their budget because a completely decked out Mini like I was mentioning isn't going to cost a mere $750. When you say 'people in a market for a mini', you're still hinting at the current edition of one which is a very underpowered machine. We're talking about something specd out that would get some of the borderline Mac Pro users and iMac to not drop the coin on them.
Absolutely it would eat into low end model Mac Pro sales. You would be foolish not to think it would. Apple literally has no other alternative to the Mac Pro for a solo desktop. Right now it's either a underpowered Mini or a $3,000 workstation class computer with Xeons. The middle ground is an glossy all in one or a laptop. If a theoretical $1500 Mini was available then it's fills the middle ground and would no doubt take the sales of users who are on the fence about the low end Mac Pro.
There's a lot of people that do not need a $3,000 computer to be productive in their given field(design/arts..whatever).
You've heard the one about a good worker not blaming his tools I take it? Absolutely nothing wrong with W8.1, AKA W9, probably the most stable Windows platform to date.
W10 will not be that much different and is likely to be the last major release of Windows. MS are now reported to be very happy with Windows and future releases are likely to simply be incremental.
I am more than content with W9 and use it as an alternative to OS X on a regular basis.
Now if we are talking about a disasterous OS let's talk about iOS 8.
It is less stable than Windows XP in my experience because IE crashes frequently. The real problem is struggling against the interface and also the new MS Word interface is terrible. If they port that to the Mac version of Word, first I won't upgrade, then I am gone.
I have work to do and don't need the kind of crap I have to deal with on the 8.1 laptop. It is a shame because the Sony Vaio keyboard is actually better than the current Mac Pro keyboard, IMO.
Your comment about iOS 8, while correct, is of no relevance to the discussion of a desktop machine.
I built 3 or 4 recording mac mini's>
I used 2012 i7 quads. I put in a 1 tb samsung ssd creating a 2tb fusion drive with 16gb ram.
cost with careful shopping was
i7 quad : 700 usd
samsung ssd 400 usd
16gb ram 100 usd
total 1200 usd
this machine was close to the quality of a 2010 base mac pro for recording .
price mini 1200 vs base mac pro 1999
In fact the 2010 mac pro was not as good as the 2012 mini on many levels.
It needed an ssd and ram to be better which then got up over 2600. It used more power and was louder.
So I can tell you are correct the right 2014 mac mini will take away from the nMP for certain buyers.
Strange to think that Apple would not offer a computer that they could easily make because people would buy it. Welcome to cloud cuckoo land. Yet I fear tomorrow there may be nothing for us. I hope to be wrong.
The best I got if they do not announce a new mini of a sort that I would buy is:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HP-K1K2...1089001314?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item486e597362
I would upgrade it of course, but it is a good size for me.
I really like the silence and size of the mini!
But faster CPU and graphics and PCIe SSD would be awesome! Com'on Apple! You can do it!
If not announced tomorrow then I fear for the worst. No new mini ever.
I would buy a toned down nMP for $1500. But if not those or very similar options, I am gone from OSX due to lack of a suitable machine. Not into lappy's or allinones!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HP-K1K2...1089001314?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item486e597362
I would upgrade it of course, but it is a good size for me.
I really like the silence and size of the mini!
But faster CPU and graphics and PCIe SSD would be awesome! Com'on Apple! You can do it!
If not announced tomorrow then I fear for the worst. No new mini ever.
I would buy a toned down nMP for $1500. But if not those or very similar options, I am gone from OSX due to lack of a suitable machine. Not into lappy's or allinones!
I dont see how apple could think like that. They dont cripple a product just to be sure they sell another one to some people that have the money to buy the way more expensive one. People who has the money would still buy nMp even if they dont need it. And apple would profit anyway. If a properly specced mini had a potential to kill the nMp sales hugely i could understand that. However the price of imac and nMp is holding buyers back. If they released mini nMp sales and iMac sales could decrease a little but that is their true market value. Selling more and more minis would only make apple more money. Mathematically apple would increase the overall sales.
The main question would be is a powerful mini worth the effort and cost nowadays? We will see today.
Absolutely correct. Also, Apple have never been afraid of canibalizing their other products: iPhone vs iPod, iPad vs MBA, iPhone 6 plus vs iPad mini etc...
In the end a decent desktop in the middle would maybe eat a few % of the so-called "prosumers" sales, where you may have some young or not too successful freelancers opting to go for a cheaper option (although a lot do that now by maxing out minis - myslef included for example). The nMP is simply an expensive piece of pro kit. To the real "super pros" its actually cheap, when you are in a studio with severl hundered thousand dollars' worth of other equipment, an nMP is chump change. Those users will never buy less than the nMP, even if a middle class desktop could technically work for them, simply for the image. Cients like to see flashy Macs and big mixing desks or expensive cameras.
What a "prosumer"/hobbyist/enthusiast middle Mac would do would be to simply open up a ton of options for those that simply can't do a $3k machine. It would mainly eat up a lot of the hackintosh "market".
I think it makes sense, but we'll find out in a fw hours.
You'll wait for whatever is next. Like the rest of us. Repeat. Infinite times.
Apple events is already on my Apple TV.
Here is a wishful thought. No referbs in the store means Apple will drop their remaining stock in the store after the event at refurb prices when the new ones are introduced.
The discussion was not about an option. The discussion was about the default configuration of the high-end Mac mini. An option makes even less sense given the engineering and validation effort as well as the additional complexity in assembly, supply chain, and marketing.
Readers of this forum are not representative consumers.
That's why the Intel HD 4000 integrated GPU included with the 2012 Mac mini won't be offered with the 2015 or 2016 Mac mini. Intel integrated graphics have improved -- faster than discrete GPUs have improved. The performance gap is closing and will continue to close as long as it remains a strategic priority for Intel.
Very few people understand the difference. Even most of what I'm reading in this thread shows a superficial and static understanding. If there were no cost, it would not require selling, but the cost is large for a performance advantage that is diminishing every year.
There is a fair chance that the Broadwell MBP will retain a discrete GPU on one high-end 15" model, like now. There is virtually no chance that any Skylake MBP will include a discrete GPU.
The discrete GPU business is dead. The body hasn't stopped twitching yet and it hasn't been buried, but it's already dead. No amount of nostalgia for the days when iGPUs were crap is going to save the dGPU. We saw all the same arguments 25 years ago with integrated versus discrete FPUs and similar arguments 2-5 years ago with optical discs. It's only a matter of time before Intel stops supporting dGPUs.
Discrete components are the enemy of progress in integrated circuits. All progress in integrated circuits comes from ever increasing integration made possible by die shrinks.
If you are talking about dead dGPU business, say that dGPU that you can replace with better one in some time is dead.
GPUs will always be, because they are and will be more powerful than CPUs, regardless of what is Intel saying.
Ask people - why supercomputers are based on GPUs not CPUs.
And BTW. Maxwell GM107 is wiping down every single integrated GPU. And Broadwell will not be faster than it.
Looks like we might fall short of 5000 posts before the Mac mini arrives
I have heard a rumor that if we don't make it to 5000 posts the new mini will have HD4600 graphics.
Hi all,
I've been following this thread regularly since the get go, but this is my first post, just to say thank you for all the insights and fun.
I'm almost certain this whole thread will end today on a happy (key)note!
Naaaaah, this thread is forever,
p.s.
welcome to you firs post
Naaaaah, this thread is forever,
p.s.
welcome to you firs post
Ah, I should have said "this chapter"
... and thanks for the welcome!
